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May 24, 2011 at 5:44 PM #699674May 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM #698530
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Participant[quote=jstoesz]
The point, the reason, the intention of marriage is not for self fulfillment of ones “needs” or appetites. It is to create something that is greater than oneself. It is to provide man some semblance of a purpose in life. To create a unit geared toward making the world a better place. Primarily through the betterment of one’s children, but more immediately the betterment of one’s self and spouse’s self. It is the most obvious and natural way in which man can accomplish this. Nothing in life that is worthwhile is easy, nothing! I would contend that successful marriages are so difficult, because they are one of the most worthwhile things a man can do. But in turn then, they must be difficult.
[/quote]I disagree with most of this. The intention of most marriages, if folks are being honest with themselves, is to “lock down” the other person; to take them off the market, so to speak, so that they’re not running around with other people. Now, more often than not, both people want to have kids and they want the other person as a partner in this venture. But the whole thing can viewed as fairly selfish, frankly – “You’re mine now.” “Creating something greater than one’s self”, “to provide man some semblance of purpose in life”? I suppose there are folks out there that feel this way, but… I find this notion completely bizarre. You need to have a spouse (and/or kids) to have purpose in life? Beyond bizarre. Now if you said that helping other people in some profound manner – which has nothing to do with marriage and kids – might engender some sense of purpose in one’s life, then o.k., I’ll buy that. But I wouldn’t put marriage into that category.
Do you honestly believe that your marriage is creating “a unit geared toward making the world a better place”? You cannot be serious. Look, I hope you have a happy union, self fulfillment, and nice kids, etc. But, for christ’s sake… making the world a better place through your marriage?… please. That’s one of the more pretentious things I’ve ever read here at the Pigg. And that’s saying something.
May 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM #698623Participant[quote=jstoesz]
The point, the reason, the intention of marriage is not for self fulfillment of ones “needs” or appetites. It is to create something that is greater than oneself. It is to provide man some semblance of a purpose in life. To create a unit geared toward making the world a better place. Primarily through the betterment of one’s children, but more immediately the betterment of one’s self and spouse’s self. It is the most obvious and natural way in which man can accomplish this. Nothing in life that is worthwhile is easy, nothing! I would contend that successful marriages are so difficult, because they are one of the most worthwhile things a man can do. But in turn then, they must be difficult.
[/quote]I disagree with most of this. The intention of most marriages, if folks are being honest with themselves, is to “lock down” the other person; to take them off the market, so to speak, so that they’re not running around with other people. Now, more often than not, both people want to have kids and they want the other person as a partner in this venture. But the whole thing can viewed as fairly selfish, frankly – “You’re mine now.” “Creating something greater than one’s self”, “to provide man some semblance of purpose in life”? I suppose there are folks out there that feel this way, but… I find this notion completely bizarre. You need to have a spouse (and/or kids) to have purpose in life? Beyond bizarre. Now if you said that helping other people in some profound manner – which has nothing to do with marriage and kids – might engender some sense of purpose in one’s life, then o.k., I’ll buy that. But I wouldn’t put marriage into that category.
Do you honestly believe that your marriage is creating “a unit geared toward making the world a better place”? You cannot be serious. Look, I hope you have a happy union, self fulfillment, and nice kids, etc. But, for christ’s sake… making the world a better place through your marriage?… please. That’s one of the more pretentious things I’ve ever read here at the Pigg. And that’s saying something.
May 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM #699213Participant[quote=jstoesz]
The point, the reason, the intention of marriage is not for self fulfillment of ones “needs” or appetites. It is to create something that is greater than oneself. It is to provide man some semblance of a purpose in life. To create a unit geared toward making the world a better place. Primarily through the betterment of one’s children, but more immediately the betterment of one’s self and spouse’s self. It is the most obvious and natural way in which man can accomplish this. Nothing in life that is worthwhile is easy, nothing! I would contend that successful marriages are so difficult, because they are one of the most worthwhile things a man can do. But in turn then, they must be difficult.
[/quote]I disagree with most of this. The intention of most marriages, if folks are being honest with themselves, is to “lock down” the other person; to take them off the market, so to speak, so that they’re not running around with other people. Now, more often than not, both people want to have kids and they want the other person as a partner in this venture. But the whole thing can viewed as fairly selfish, frankly – “You’re mine now.” “Creating something greater than one’s self”, “to provide man some semblance of purpose in life”? I suppose there are folks out there that feel this way, but… I find this notion completely bizarre. You need to have a spouse (and/or kids) to have purpose in life? Beyond bizarre. Now if you said that helping other people in some profound manner – which has nothing to do with marriage and kids – might engender some sense of purpose in one’s life, then o.k., I’ll buy that. But I wouldn’t put marriage into that category.
Do you honestly believe that your marriage is creating “a unit geared toward making the world a better place”? You cannot be serious. Look, I hope you have a happy union, self fulfillment, and nice kids, etc. But, for christ’s sake… making the world a better place through your marriage?… please. That’s one of the more pretentious things I’ve ever read here at the Pigg. And that’s saying something.
May 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM #699358Participant[quote=jstoesz]
The point, the reason, the intention of marriage is not for self fulfillment of ones “needs” or appetites. It is to create something that is greater than oneself. It is to provide man some semblance of a purpose in life. To create a unit geared toward making the world a better place. Primarily through the betterment of one’s children, but more immediately the betterment of one’s self and spouse’s self. It is the most obvious and natural way in which man can accomplish this. Nothing in life that is worthwhile is easy, nothing! I would contend that successful marriages are so difficult, because they are one of the most worthwhile things a man can do. But in turn then, they must be difficult.
[/quote]I disagree with most of this. The intention of most marriages, if folks are being honest with themselves, is to “lock down” the other person; to take them off the market, so to speak, so that they’re not running around with other people. Now, more often than not, both people want to have kids and they want the other person as a partner in this venture. But the whole thing can viewed as fairly selfish, frankly – “You’re mine now.” “Creating something greater than one’s self”, “to provide man some semblance of purpose in life”? I suppose there are folks out there that feel this way, but… I find this notion completely bizarre. You need to have a spouse (and/or kids) to have purpose in life? Beyond bizarre. Now if you said that helping other people in some profound manner – which has nothing to do with marriage and kids – might engender some sense of purpose in one’s life, then o.k., I’ll buy that. But I wouldn’t put marriage into that category.
Do you honestly believe that your marriage is creating “a unit geared toward making the world a better place”? You cannot be serious. Look, I hope you have a happy union, self fulfillment, and nice kids, etc. But, for christ’s sake… making the world a better place through your marriage?… please. That’s one of the more pretentious things I’ve ever read here at the Pigg. And that’s saying something.
May 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM #699713Participant[quote=jstoesz]
The point, the reason, the intention of marriage is not for self fulfillment of ones “needs” or appetites. It is to create something that is greater than oneself. It is to provide man some semblance of a purpose in life. To create a unit geared toward making the world a better place. Primarily through the betterment of one’s children, but more immediately the betterment of one’s self and spouse’s self. It is the most obvious and natural way in which man can accomplish this. Nothing in life that is worthwhile is easy, nothing! I would contend that successful marriages are so difficult, because they are one of the most worthwhile things a man can do. But in turn then, they must be difficult.
[/quote]I disagree with most of this. The intention of most marriages, if folks are being honest with themselves, is to “lock down” the other person; to take them off the market, so to speak, so that they’re not running around with other people. Now, more often than not, both people want to have kids and they want the other person as a partner in this venture. But the whole thing can viewed as fairly selfish, frankly – “You’re mine now.” “Creating something greater than one’s self”, “to provide man some semblance of purpose in life”? I suppose there are folks out there that feel this way, but… I find this notion completely bizarre. You need to have a spouse (and/or kids) to have purpose in life? Beyond bizarre. Now if you said that helping other people in some profound manner – which has nothing to do with marriage and kids – might engender some sense of purpose in one’s life, then o.k., I’ll buy that. But I wouldn’t put marriage into that category.
Do you honestly believe that your marriage is creating “a unit geared toward making the world a better place”? You cannot be serious. Look, I hope you have a happy union, self fulfillment, and nice kids, etc. But, for christ’s sake… making the world a better place through your marriage?… please. That’s one of the more pretentious things I’ve ever read here at the Pigg. And that’s saying something.
May 24, 2011 at 9:18 PM #698535scaredyclassic
Participantmarriage makes the world safe for democracy.
like the warrior going into barttle, the young man heading off into marriage is permitted to bolster his courage with a vision of world improvement.
May 24, 2011 at 9:18 PM #698628Participantmarriage makes the world safe for democracy.
like the warrior going into barttle, the young man heading off into marriage is permitted to bolster his courage with a vision of world improvement.
May 24, 2011 at 9:18 PM #699217Participantmarriage makes the world safe for democracy.
like the warrior going into barttle, the young man heading off into marriage is permitted to bolster his courage with a vision of world improvement.
May 24, 2011 at 9:18 PM #699363Participantmarriage makes the world safe for democracy.
like the warrior going into barttle, the young man heading off into marriage is permitted to bolster his courage with a vision of world improvement.
May 24, 2011 at 9:18 PM #699718Participantmarriage makes the world safe for democracy.
like the warrior going into barttle, the young man heading off into marriage is permitted to bolster his courage with a vision of world improvement.
May 24, 2011 at 9:22 PM #698545Participant“A lot of stuff bugs me about being married and a lot of stuff bugs me about husbands y’know. Like when they all the time wanna talk to ya. I hate that. He comes in and says “Roseanne. Don’t you think we should talk about our sexual problems?” Like I’m gonna turn off Wheel Of Fortune for that. Put it on a gift certificate babe. Then it bugs me that they think you’re gonna clean everything huh. Like he’ll say “Well Roseanne you think maybe you’ll wash a dish this week?” Get real. So I said “Well what’s the matter is Lemon Joy kryptonite to your species?” But I am happy and you know me, I’m not one to whine. But you know what I think, I think husbands and the very best of men. There the Cadillacs of men. Cause at least they can make a commitment and deal with life. Not like these young bucks, they young warrior types. “Well Roseanne, I’m not ready to settle down, I’m living life of the edge of the fast lane.”
Sure get in a relationship and face the real danger. Look a mortgage in the face for thirty years. You sky-diving wimps.
But this bugs me the worst, it’s when the husband thinks the wife knows where everything is huh. Like they think the uterus is a tracking device. Cause he comes in and goes “Hey Roseanne, do we have any Cheetos left?” Like he can’t go over a lift up that sofa cushion himself.”
Roseanne Barr, 1985
May 24, 2011 at 9:22 PM #698638Participant“A lot of stuff bugs me about being married and a lot of stuff bugs me about husbands y’know. Like when they all the time wanna talk to ya. I hate that. He comes in and says “Roseanne. Don’t you think we should talk about our sexual problems?” Like I’m gonna turn off Wheel Of Fortune for that. Put it on a gift certificate babe. Then it bugs me that they think you’re gonna clean everything huh. Like he’ll say “Well Roseanne you think maybe you’ll wash a dish this week?” Get real. So I said “Well what’s the matter is Lemon Joy kryptonite to your species?” But I am happy and you know me, I’m not one to whine. But you know what I think, I think husbands and the very best of men. There the Cadillacs of men. Cause at least they can make a commitment and deal with life. Not like these young bucks, they young warrior types. “Well Roseanne, I’m not ready to settle down, I’m living life of the edge of the fast lane.”
Sure get in a relationship and face the real danger. Look a mortgage in the face for thirty years. You sky-diving wimps.
But this bugs me the worst, it’s when the husband thinks the wife knows where everything is huh. Like they think the uterus is a tracking device. Cause he comes in and goes “Hey Roseanne, do we have any Cheetos left?” Like he can’t go over a lift up that sofa cushion himself.”
Roseanne Barr, 1985
May 24, 2011 at 9:22 PM #699227Participant“A lot of stuff bugs me about being married and a lot of stuff bugs me about husbands y’know. Like when they all the time wanna talk to ya. I hate that. He comes in and says “Roseanne. Don’t you think we should talk about our sexual problems?” Like I’m gonna turn off Wheel Of Fortune for that. Put it on a gift certificate babe. Then it bugs me that they think you’re gonna clean everything huh. Like he’ll say “Well Roseanne you think maybe you’ll wash a dish this week?” Get real. So I said “Well what’s the matter is Lemon Joy kryptonite to your species?” But I am happy and you know me, I’m not one to whine. But you know what I think, I think husbands and the very best of men. There the Cadillacs of men. Cause at least they can make a commitment and deal with life. Not like these young bucks, they young warrior types. “Well Roseanne, I’m not ready to settle down, I’m living life of the edge of the fast lane.”
Sure get in a relationship and face the real danger. Look a mortgage in the face for thirty years. You sky-diving wimps.
But this bugs me the worst, it’s when the husband thinks the wife knows where everything is huh. Like they think the uterus is a tracking device. Cause he comes in and goes “Hey Roseanne, do we have any Cheetos left?” Like he can’t go over a lift up that sofa cushion himself.”
Roseanne Barr, 1985
May 24, 2011 at 9:22 PM #699373Participant“A lot of stuff bugs me about being married and a lot of stuff bugs me about husbands y’know. Like when they all the time wanna talk to ya. I hate that. He comes in and says “Roseanne. Don’t you think we should talk about our sexual problems?” Like I’m gonna turn off Wheel Of Fortune for that. Put it on a gift certificate babe. Then it bugs me that they think you’re gonna clean everything huh. Like he’ll say “Well Roseanne you think maybe you’ll wash a dish this week?” Get real. So I said “Well what’s the matter is Lemon Joy kryptonite to your species?” But I am happy and you know me, I’m not one to whine. But you know what I think, I think husbands and the very best of men. There the Cadillacs of men. Cause at least they can make a commitment and deal with life. Not like these young bucks, they young warrior types. “Well Roseanne, I’m not ready to settle down, I’m living life of the edge of the fast lane.”
Sure get in a relationship and face the real danger. Look a mortgage in the face for thirty years. You sky-diving wimps.
But this bugs me the worst, it’s when the husband thinks the wife knows where everything is huh. Like they think the uterus is a tracking device. Cause he comes in and goes “Hey Roseanne, do we have any Cheetos left?” Like he can’t go over a lift up that sofa cushion himself.”
Roseanne Barr, 1985
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