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April 7, 2020 at 9:13 AM #816269April 7, 2020 at 11:09 AM #816273
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Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]I am surprised that in San Diego, a navy town, people aren’t talking about the captain that was fired for writing to his superiors about infections on his ship. Not only was he fired, but the Navy Secretary fired him to preempt Trump from doing so. Plus the Navy Secretary gave a profanity filled speech to the crew of the ship to disparage the captain.
Wow!
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/military/story/2020-04-06/acting-navy-secretary-blasts-fired-carrier-commander-as-too-naive-or-too-stupid-in-address-to-crew%5B/quote%5D
The emboldened section is NOT supported by your reference, nor any where else. The article referenced DOES say that Modly’s actions have put the current administration in a very awkward position where they either have to fire Modly (who is actually a civilian contractor, not military), or support him. Firing would look bad for the administration – so will supporting him. It also looks like Modly trying to cover for his poor response to COVID-19.The article also mentions that Trumps current nominee to be the full time is being held up by waiting for Senate confirmation… quote:
Peters said it’s time for President Donald Trump’s permanent nominee for the job — Kenneth Braithwaite, current;y ambassador to Norway — to be confirmed by the Senate.
“Let’s get on with confirming somebody else, someone who is more calm under fire,” Peters said. “It’s time to get a Navy secretary who can answer tough questions from the Senate”
April 7, 2020 at 11:34 AM #816275FlyerInHi
GuestIn a previous interview, the acting navy secretary admitted that he fired the captain to preempt Trump from doing so himself. Motly also told a colleague about it.
This is America’s version of silencing a whistleblower who was himself infected with covid19
Acting Navy secretary Thomas Modly, in an extensive interview about the firing of the commander of a disease-threatened aircraft carrier, said he acted because he believed the captain was “panicking” under pressure — and wanted to make the move himself, before President Trump ordered the captain’s dismissal.
“I didn’t want to get into a decision where the president would feel that he had to intervene because the Navy couldn’t be decisive,”April 7, 2020 at 11:39 AM #816276Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]In a precious interview, the acting navy secretary admitted that the fired the captain to preempt Trump from do so himself. Moldy also told a colleague.
Acting Navy secretary Thomas Modly, in an extensive interview about the firing of the commander of a disease-threatened aircraft carrier, said he acted because he believed the captain was “panicking” under pressure — and wanted to make the move himself, before President Trump ordered the captain’s dismissal.
“I didn’t want to get into a decision where the president would feel that he had to intervene because the Navy couldn’t be decisive,”https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/05/acting-navy-chief-fired-crozier-panicking-before-trump-might-intervene/%5B/quote%5D
Key sentence highlighted…. said by Modly, who it seems can not handle pressure.. and trying to ‘blame’ someone as justification for their action instead of simply stating that the captain violated proceedure.. etc. What is ironic here is that Modly is claiming in part that he fired the Captain because it looked to him like the captain was “panicking”, when in actuality – with your previous reference included – that it was actually Modly panicking and trying to cover his ass.I suspect that Modly might have actually wanted to prevent Trump from firing his own ass! President Trump already had a replacement (“Kenneth Braithwaite”) lined up for replacing Modly.. just waiting to get him confirm by the Senate — which was supported by the previous reference you gave.
I have seen VPs and Directors in companies do exactly what Modly has done in an attempt to cover their butt for a bad decision or a series of bad decisions — and try to deflect the CEO from firing their own butt.
April 7, 2020 at 11:40 AM #816277GuestAccording to another article, Trump is the one who wanted to do the firing.
Trump reportedly wanted to fire the US Navy captain who pleaded for ‘immediate’ coronavirus help
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-wanted-to-fired-the-us-navy-captain-brett-crozier-2020-4
Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly reportedly told a colleague that President Donald Trump wanted to fire the commander of an aircraft carrier who warned of the coronavirus outbreak aboard his ship.
April 7, 2020 at 11:46 AM #816278Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]According to another article, Trump is the one who wanted to do the firing.
Trump reportedly wanted to fire the US Navy captain who pleaded for ‘immediate’ coronavirus help
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-wanted-to-fired-the-us-navy-captain-brett-crozier-2020-4
Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly reportedly told a colleague that President Donald Trump wanted to fire the commander of an aircraft carrier who warned of the coronavirus outbreak aboard his ship.[/quote]
Key words highlighted.. reportedly is a weasel word.. source is the person I have been stating is covering their butt.April 7, 2020 at 11:53 AM #816279ParticipantFlyerInHi; There is an aspect of your original comment that you are missing or avoiding dealing with, and it has to do with syntax and wording.
Note the importance on wording in your first section..
“Not only was he fired, but the Navy Secretary fired him to preempt Trump from doing so.”
as if Trumps firing of the captain was going to be a “fait accompli” by the president. Actual wording was
“I didn’t want to get into a decision where the president would feel that he had to intervene because the Navy couldn’t be decisive,”
from Modlys perspective. The second example is not a “fait accompli” on Trump firing the captain, and seems to support my contention that Modly was panicking and covering his butt because the president might look at firing Modly for not being decisive on dealing with COVID-19 issues under his command; so Modly effectively fires the person responsible for revealing that there are COVID-19 problems on board that are not being addressed.
April 7, 2020 at 11:57 AM #816280GuestUcodegen, you can try to cover for Trump.all you want. … outmojo put it most succinctly given how the previous navy secretary resigned over Trump’s interference and how Thomas Modly got his job.
This is much worse than China silencing the whistleblower doctor since it came from Trump himself.
[quote=outtamojo]
That’s just par for the course. You suck his balls and war crimes are ok.[/quote]
April 7, 2020 at 12:15 PM #816281Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Ucodegen, you can try to cover for Trump.all you want. … outmojo put it most succinctly given how the previous navy secretary resigned over Trump’s interference and how Thomas Modly got his job.
This is much worse than China silencing the whistleblower doctor since it came from Trump himself.
[quote=outtamojo]
That’s just par for the course. You suck his balls and war crimes are ok.[/quote][/quote]
You are changing approach and deflecting on your error.I am not covering Trumps butt. I will attack him for what he does, however I will not prosecute him for things underlings do trying to use him for cover.
Trump should have stayed silent on comments with respect to supporting Modly’s decision.. which would have prevented him from doing a quasi-retraction shown in your first reference:
In a press briefing Monday, Trump suggested he might revisit Crozier’s case, saying that although he thought the letter shouldn’t have been sent, he didn’t want to destroy somebody for “having a bad day.”
This may also mean that Trump’s feelings are that Modly’s days are done.. and that Trump may be trying to make it look like a more coordinated hand-over as opposed to a straight firing. Trump already had Modly’s replacement in the pipe.
As I said before, and I reiterate; Modly’s decision was Modlys fault. It put the administration in a tight difficult place because firing the captain makes the administration look bad, firing Modly would make the administration look bad. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Unfortunately Trump did what he does too often – open his mouth at the wrong time.
Additional point that supports my contention is from your first article;
Peters, whose district includes Marine Corps Air Station Miramar and Naval Air Station North Island — home port of the Roosevelt — said Modly is side-stepping the department’s weak COVID-19 response and making Crozier the focus of his attention
Scott Peters is representative of 52nd district and is from the Democrat political party.
April 7, 2020 at 12:19 PM #816282outtamojo
Participantthe commander in chief should quit worrying about how things look and fix his chain of command. What made crozier feel like he had to use other channels? Unresponsive leadership needs to be canned.
April 7, 2020 at 12:31 PM #816283ltsddd
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]In a previous interview, the acting navy secretary admitted that he fired the captain to preempt Trump from doing so himself. [/quote]
Not sure I believe that. Saw an interview with a retired general the other day. He pointed out that there are 4 or 5 Admirals between Crozier and Modly. He wasn’t sure whey Modly didn’t go DOWN the chain of command in firing Crozier – unless every single one of those told him to take a hike.
Pot called Kettle black, anyone?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/acting-navy-secretary-thomas-modly-resigns-after-calling-capt-brett-crozier-stupidApril 7, 2020 at 1:48 PM #816284Guest[quote=ltsddd]
Saw an interview with a retired general the other day. He pointed out that there are 4 or 5 Admirals between Crozier and Modly. He wasn’t sure whey Modly didn’t go DOWN the chain of command in firing Crozier – unless every single one of those told him to take a hike.
[/quote]Not going through the chain of command is just like Trump.
The fact that Modly himself fired Crozier and then flew to the ship to issue the rambling tirade has the imprint of Trump.You can listen to Modly’s talk here. So much for a pep talk to sailors suffering pandemic.
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navy-secretary-blasts-fired-aircraft-carrier-captainThis must be the interview you saw. General Jack Keane (now Fox analyst) said on Fox News that doesn’t understand why Modly interfered with the chain of command, something he faulted Crozier of doing.
April 8, 2020 at 6:01 AM #816288ParticipantTurns out we didn’t need to depend on China to tell us about COVID19- we ALREADY KNEW. https://www.yahoo.com/gma/intelligence-report-warned-coronavirus-crisis-early-november-sources-080111894–abc-news-topstories.html
April 8, 2020 at 10:38 AM #816304Guest[quote=outtamojo]Turns out we didn’t need to depend on China to tell us about COVID19- we ALREADY KNEW. https://www.yahoo.com/gma/intelligence-report-warned-coronavirus-crisis-early-november-sources-080111894–abc-news-topstories.html
[/quote]Of course.
The huge irony about those who say “China should have been more transparent” is that they have been claiming since 1949 that “Communist China is not to be trusted” — yes, literally since 1949, Henry Luce being the most prominent personality.
April 8, 2020 at 12:07 PM #816313Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=outtamojo]Turns out we didn’t need to depend on China to tell us about COVID19- we ALREADY KNEW. https://www.yahoo.com/gma/intelligence-report-warned-coronavirus-crisis-early-november-sources-080111894–abc-news-topstories.html
[/quote]Of course.
The huge irony about those who say “China should have been more transparent” is that they have been claiming since 1949 that “Communist China is not to be trusted” — yes, literally since 1949, Henry Luce being the most prominent personality.[/quote]
Had I access to that report I may have sold all my stock holdings.
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