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February 2, 2009 at 5:39 PM #340694February 2, 2009 at 5:57 PM #340162(former)FormerSanDieganParticipant
[quote=4plexowner]
how’s that buy-and-hold strategy working out for ya’???[/quote]I actually lightened my position in stocks over the last couple of years in the hopes of buying either RE or stocks in the next bear market.
I am assuming that we are currently in a bear market and a long period where stocks will underperform, so I am playing the cyclical 3-5 year moves.
So, it’s really not a pure buy-and-hold. But either way, right now it really really sucks, because I have about 50% in stocks.
Thanks for asking.
I am willing to entertain alternatives and hedges. What’s your favorite place for your investments currently ?
February 2, 2009 at 5:57 PM #340486(former)FormerSanDieganParticipant[quote=4plexowner]
how’s that buy-and-hold strategy working out for ya’???[/quote]I actually lightened my position in stocks over the last couple of years in the hopes of buying either RE or stocks in the next bear market.
I am assuming that we are currently in a bear market and a long period where stocks will underperform, so I am playing the cyclical 3-5 year moves.
So, it’s really not a pure buy-and-hold. But either way, right now it really really sucks, because I have about 50% in stocks.
Thanks for asking.
I am willing to entertain alternatives and hedges. What’s your favorite place for your investments currently ?
February 2, 2009 at 5:57 PM #340584(former)FormerSanDieganParticipant[quote=4plexowner]
how’s that buy-and-hold strategy working out for ya’???[/quote]I actually lightened my position in stocks over the last couple of years in the hopes of buying either RE or stocks in the next bear market.
I am assuming that we are currently in a bear market and a long period where stocks will underperform, so I am playing the cyclical 3-5 year moves.
So, it’s really not a pure buy-and-hold. But either way, right now it really really sucks, because I have about 50% in stocks.
Thanks for asking.
I am willing to entertain alternatives and hedges. What’s your favorite place for your investments currently ?
February 2, 2009 at 5:57 PM #340612(former)FormerSanDieganParticipant[quote=4plexowner]
how’s that buy-and-hold strategy working out for ya’???[/quote]I actually lightened my position in stocks over the last couple of years in the hopes of buying either RE or stocks in the next bear market.
I am assuming that we are currently in a bear market and a long period where stocks will underperform, so I am playing the cyclical 3-5 year moves.
So, it’s really not a pure buy-and-hold. But either way, right now it really really sucks, because I have about 50% in stocks.
Thanks for asking.
I am willing to entertain alternatives and hedges. What’s your favorite place for your investments currently ?
February 2, 2009 at 5:57 PM #340704(former)FormerSanDieganParticipant[quote=4plexowner]
how’s that buy-and-hold strategy working out for ya’???[/quote]I actually lightened my position in stocks over the last couple of years in the hopes of buying either RE or stocks in the next bear market.
I am assuming that we are currently in a bear market and a long period where stocks will underperform, so I am playing the cyclical 3-5 year moves.
So, it’s really not a pure buy-and-hold. But either way, right now it really really sucks, because I have about 50% in stocks.
Thanks for asking.
I am willing to entertain alternatives and hedges. What’s your favorite place for your investments currently ?
February 2, 2009 at 6:34 PM #340187(former)FormerSanDieganParticipant[quote=4plexowner]
I’m not seeing 8 or 9 years of secular bear market in this chart
must be something wrong with my eyes …[/quote]
Nothing wrong with your eyes, just focused very narrowly. The Dow is a narrow measure. And by that measure you are correct, the secular bear is not apparent in the DOW. But your chart still shows a bear market from 2000-2003, it is visually de-emphasized though, by plotting from zero on a linear scale.
A secular bear in the broad market (e.g. S&P 500 or Wilshire 5000) is apparent by the fact that each cyclical bear results in a new lower low.
The current bear will likely result in lows lower than the supposed bear market that ended in 2003.
So, maybe I am ahead of myself, but history will judge the current secular bear as starting in 2000.[img_assist|nid=10206|title=Annotated S&P 500 Chart|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=300]
February 2, 2009 at 6:34 PM #340511(former)FormerSanDieganParticipant[quote=4plexowner]
I’m not seeing 8 or 9 years of secular bear market in this chart
must be something wrong with my eyes …[/quote]
Nothing wrong with your eyes, just focused very narrowly. The Dow is a narrow measure. And by that measure you are correct, the secular bear is not apparent in the DOW. But your chart still shows a bear market from 2000-2003, it is visually de-emphasized though, by plotting from zero on a linear scale.
A secular bear in the broad market (e.g. S&P 500 or Wilshire 5000) is apparent by the fact that each cyclical bear results in a new lower low.
The current bear will likely result in lows lower than the supposed bear market that ended in 2003.
So, maybe I am ahead of myself, but history will judge the current secular bear as starting in 2000.[img_assist|nid=10206|title=Annotated S&P 500 Chart|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=300]
February 2, 2009 at 6:34 PM #340609(former)FormerSanDieganParticipant[quote=4plexowner]
I’m not seeing 8 or 9 years of secular bear market in this chart
must be something wrong with my eyes …[/quote]
Nothing wrong with your eyes, just focused very narrowly. The Dow is a narrow measure. And by that measure you are correct, the secular bear is not apparent in the DOW. But your chart still shows a bear market from 2000-2003, it is visually de-emphasized though, by plotting from zero on a linear scale.
A secular bear in the broad market (e.g. S&P 500 or Wilshire 5000) is apparent by the fact that each cyclical bear results in a new lower low.
The current bear will likely result in lows lower than the supposed bear market that ended in 2003.
So, maybe I am ahead of myself, but history will judge the current secular bear as starting in 2000.[img_assist|nid=10206|title=Annotated S&P 500 Chart|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=300]
February 2, 2009 at 6:34 PM #340637(former)FormerSanDieganParticipant[quote=4plexowner]
I’m not seeing 8 or 9 years of secular bear market in this chart
must be something wrong with my eyes …[/quote]
Nothing wrong with your eyes, just focused very narrowly. The Dow is a narrow measure. And by that measure you are correct, the secular bear is not apparent in the DOW. But your chart still shows a bear market from 2000-2003, it is visually de-emphasized though, by plotting from zero on a linear scale.
A secular bear in the broad market (e.g. S&P 500 or Wilshire 5000) is apparent by the fact that each cyclical bear results in a new lower low.
The current bear will likely result in lows lower than the supposed bear market that ended in 2003.
So, maybe I am ahead of myself, but history will judge the current secular bear as starting in 2000.[img_assist|nid=10206|title=Annotated S&P 500 Chart|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=300]
February 2, 2009 at 6:34 PM #340729(former)FormerSanDieganParticipant[quote=4plexowner]
I’m not seeing 8 or 9 years of secular bear market in this chart
must be something wrong with my eyes …[/quote]
Nothing wrong with your eyes, just focused very narrowly. The Dow is a narrow measure. And by that measure you are correct, the secular bear is not apparent in the DOW. But your chart still shows a bear market from 2000-2003, it is visually de-emphasized though, by plotting from zero on a linear scale.
A secular bear in the broad market (e.g. S&P 500 or Wilshire 5000) is apparent by the fact that each cyclical bear results in a new lower low.
The current bear will likely result in lows lower than the supposed bear market that ended in 2003.
So, maybe I am ahead of myself, but history will judge the current secular bear as starting in 2000.[img_assist|nid=10206|title=Annotated S&P 500 Chart|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=300]
February 2, 2009 at 7:22 PM #340207peterbParticipantHang on to your hats. This rally looks to be about dead on arrival at this point.
February 2, 2009 at 7:22 PM #340531peterbParticipantHang on to your hats. This rally looks to be about dead on arrival at this point.
February 2, 2009 at 7:22 PM #340629peterbParticipantHang on to your hats. This rally looks to be about dead on arrival at this point.
February 2, 2009 at 7:22 PM #340657peterbParticipantHang on to your hats. This rally looks to be about dead on arrival at this point.
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