Time for Jeff Bridges to dump Hyundai

[Rt.66]

That was a good post flu

Thanks 🙂

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[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Im personally hoping the Genesis is the next Lexus. Its a good looking ride with all the common luxuries of every other car.

Two last points – I think they messed up by not introducing a totally seperate line/division like nissan, honda and toyota did.

I dont own a one but if I needed a lease I would be all over those for two years to test is out. [/quote]

Apparently it would cost about a billion $ to launch a new brand. Hence the smart decision was not to…

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[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Im personally hoping the Genesis is the next Lexus. Its a good looking ride with all the common luxuries of every other car.

Two last points – I think they messed up by not introducing a totally seperate line/division like nissan, honda and toyota did.

I dont own a one but if I needed a lease I would be all over those for two years to test is out. [/quote]

Apparently it would cost about a billion $ to launch a new brand. Hence the smart decision was not to…

[dbapig]

[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Im personally hoping the Genesis is the next Lexus. Its a good looking ride with all the common luxuries of every other car.

Two last points – I think they messed up by not introducing a totally seperate line/division like nissan, honda and toyota did.

I dont own a one but if I needed a lease I would be all over those for two years to test is out. [/quote]

Apparently it would cost about a billion $ to launch a new brand. Hence the smart decision was not to…

[dbapig]

[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Im personally hoping the Genesis is the next Lexus. Its a good looking ride with all the common luxuries of every other car.

Two last points – I think they messed up by not introducing a totally seperate line/division like nissan, honda and toyota did.

I dont own a one but if I needed a lease I would be all over those for two years to test is out. [/quote]

Apparently it would cost about a billion $ to launch a new brand. Hence the smart decision was not to…

[dbapig]

[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]Im personally hoping the Genesis is the next Lexus. Its a good looking ride with all the common luxuries of every other car.

Two last points – I think they messed up by not introducing a totally seperate line/division like nissan, honda and toyota did.

I dont own a one but if I needed a lease I would be all over those for two years to test is out. [/quote]

Apparently it would cost about a billion $ to launch a new brand. Hence the smart decision was not to…

[Rt.66]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Hey paddy, do you get paid per visit? Just asking…
Time to make this interesting:

Which is Greener: the Prius or the Hummer?

http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2007/03/which-is-greener-prius-or-hummer.html

Silent Carbon Footprint: Top Ten Sources You’d Never Expect

http://www.greenexpander.com/2008/12/15/silent-carbon-footprint-top-ten-sources-you%E2%80%99d-never-expect/%5B/quote%5D

I just read those links and that was fun. Lots of wild claims there. The MPG for the Hummer is understated at 8mpg and the Prius (from real world drivers I’ve spoken with) is over-stated at 45 mpg. Also they don’t touch on the fact that on top of the batteries the Prius also has an electric motor (as well as gas engine) that must be manufactured. Not giving an oppinion or putting much thought into the validity of that story here, though.

I thought this was an interesting statement:

Scott–
A Prius costs well over $30K to produce. Toyota sells them at a big loss, to build market share, establish their technology as the standard, and garner CAFE credits.
———-

Go up and read EconProf post and you will get a sense of how many Americans view American companies that get that kind of competitive aid.

Japanese automakers would never have gotten off the ground if not for the nearly complete prevention of foriegn choices to the Japanese people. In Fledgling automotive era Japan, tariffs on US cars were outragious. Japanese automakers are receiving Gov. bailouts today because of the depression. Japanese Gov. funds research and provides funds to make their manufacturers more competitive.

All this is OK to Americans. But give GM or any US company some help and its morally repulsive. Any Gov. bailout is immediate cause for death of a US company. Does that makes sense?

So the logic is…….When a foriegn Gov. gives susbsidies and bailouts and unfair trade advantages to its manufacturers then it’s no foul and A-Ok to support those foriegn manufacturers.

However….If GM needs/gets the same then they swear to never buy from them or support or say a truthful word about them, EVER!

[Rt.66]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Hey paddy, do you get paid per visit? Just asking…
Time to make this interesting:

Which is Greener: the Prius or the Hummer?

http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2007/03/which-is-greener-prius-or-hummer.html

Silent Carbon Footprint: Top Ten Sources You’d Never Expect

http://www.greenexpander.com/2008/12/15/silent-carbon-footprint-top-ten-sources-you%E2%80%99d-never-expect/%5B/quote%5D

I just read those links and that was fun. Lots of wild claims there. The MPG for the Hummer is understated at 8mpg and the Prius (from real world drivers I’ve spoken with) is over-stated at 45 mpg. Also they don’t touch on the fact that on top of the batteries the Prius also has an electric motor (as well as gas engine) that must be manufactured. Not giving an oppinion or putting much thought into the validity of that story here, though.

I thought this was an interesting statement:

Scott–
A Prius costs well over $30K to produce. Toyota sells them at a big loss, to build market share, establish their technology as the standard, and garner CAFE credits.
———-

Go up and read EconProf post and you will get a sense of how many Americans view American companies that get that kind of competitive aid.

Japanese automakers would never have gotten off the ground if not for the nearly complete prevention of foriegn choices to the Japanese people. In Fledgling automotive era Japan, tariffs on US cars were outragious. Japanese automakers are receiving Gov. bailouts today because of the depression. Japanese Gov. funds research and provides funds to make their manufacturers more competitive.

All this is OK to Americans. But give GM or any US company some help and its morally repulsive. Any Gov. bailout is immediate cause for death of a US company. Does that makes sense?

So the logic is…….When a foriegn Gov. gives susbsidies and bailouts and unfair trade advantages to its manufacturers then it’s no foul and A-Ok to support those foriegn manufacturers.

However….If GM needs/gets the same then they swear to never buy from them or support or say a truthful word about them, EVER!

[Rt.66]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Hey paddy, do you get paid per visit? Just asking…
Time to make this interesting:

Which is Greener: the Prius or the Hummer?

http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2007/03/which-is-greener-prius-or-hummer.html

Silent Carbon Footprint: Top Ten Sources You’d Never Expect

http://www.greenexpander.com/2008/12/15/silent-carbon-footprint-top-ten-sources-you%E2%80%99d-never-expect/%5B/quote%5D

I just read those links and that was fun. Lots of wild claims there. The MPG for the Hummer is understated at 8mpg and the Prius (from real world drivers I’ve spoken with) is over-stated at 45 mpg. Also they don’t touch on the fact that on top of the batteries the Prius also has an electric motor (as well as gas engine) that must be manufactured. Not giving an oppinion or putting much thought into the validity of that story here, though.

I thought this was an interesting statement:

Scott–
A Prius costs well over $30K to produce. Toyota sells them at a big loss, to build market share, establish their technology as the standard, and garner CAFE credits.
———-

Go up and read EconProf post and you will get a sense of how many Americans view American companies that get that kind of competitive aid.

Japanese automakers would never have gotten off the ground if not for the nearly complete prevention of foriegn choices to the Japanese people. In Fledgling automotive era Japan, tariffs on US cars were outragious. Japanese automakers are receiving Gov. bailouts today because of the depression. Japanese Gov. funds research and provides funds to make their manufacturers more competitive.

All this is OK to Americans. But give GM or any US company some help and its morally repulsive. Any Gov. bailout is immediate cause for death of a US company. Does that makes sense?

So the logic is…….When a foriegn Gov. gives susbsidies and bailouts and unfair trade advantages to its manufacturers then it’s no foul and A-Ok to support those foriegn manufacturers.

However….If GM needs/gets the same then they swear to never buy from them or support or say a truthful word about them, EVER!

[Rt.66]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Hey paddy, do you get paid per visit? Just asking…
Time to make this interesting:

Which is Greener: the Prius or the Hummer?

http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2007/03/which-is-greener-prius-or-hummer.html

Silent Carbon Footprint: Top Ten Sources You’d Never Expect

http://www.greenexpander.com/2008/12/15/silent-carbon-footprint-top-ten-sources-you%E2%80%99d-never-expect/%5B/quote%5D

I just read those links and that was fun. Lots of wild claims there. The MPG for the Hummer is understated at 8mpg and the Prius (from real world drivers I’ve spoken with) is over-stated at 45 mpg. Also they don’t touch on the fact that on top of the batteries the Prius also has an electric motor (as well as gas engine) that must be manufactured. Not giving an oppinion or putting much thought into the validity of that story here, though.

I thought this was an interesting statement:

Scott–
A Prius costs well over $30K to produce. Toyota sells them at a big loss, to build market share, establish their technology as the standard, and garner CAFE credits.
———-

Go up and read EconProf post and you will get a sense of how many Americans view American companies that get that kind of competitive aid.

Japanese automakers would never have gotten off the ground if not for the nearly complete prevention of foriegn choices to the Japanese people. In Fledgling automotive era Japan, tariffs on US cars were outragious. Japanese automakers are receiving Gov. bailouts today because of the depression. Japanese Gov. funds research and provides funds to make their manufacturers more competitive.

All this is OK to Americans. But give GM or any US company some help and its morally repulsive. Any Gov. bailout is immediate cause for death of a US company. Does that makes sense?

So the logic is…….When a foriegn Gov. gives susbsidies and bailouts and unfair trade advantages to its manufacturers then it’s no foul and A-Ok to support those foriegn manufacturers.

However….If GM needs/gets the same then they swear to never buy from them or support or say a truthful word about them, EVER!

[Rt.66]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Hey paddy, do you get paid per visit? Just asking…
Time to make this interesting:

Which is Greener: the Prius or the Hummer?

http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2007/03/which-is-greener-prius-or-hummer.html

Silent Carbon Footprint: Top Ten Sources You’d Never Expect

http://www.greenexpander.com/2008/12/15/silent-carbon-footprint-top-ten-sources-you%E2%80%99d-never-expect/%5B/quote%5D

I just read those links and that was fun. Lots of wild claims there. The MPG for the Hummer is understated at 8mpg and the Prius (from real world drivers I’ve spoken with) is over-stated at 45 mpg. Also they don’t touch on the fact that on top of the batteries the Prius also has an electric motor (as well as gas engine) that must be manufactured. Not giving an oppinion or putting much thought into the validity of that story here, though.

I thought this was an interesting statement:

Scott–
A Prius costs well over $30K to produce. Toyota sells them at a big loss, to build market share, establish their technology as the standard, and garner CAFE credits.
———-

Go up and read EconProf post and you will get a sense of how many Americans view American companies that get that kind of competitive aid.

Japanese automakers would never have gotten off the ground if not for the nearly complete prevention of foriegn choices to the Japanese people. In Fledgling automotive era Japan, tariffs on US cars were outragious. Japanese automakers are receiving Gov. bailouts today because of the depression. Japanese Gov. funds research and provides funds to make their manufacturers more competitive.

All this is OK to Americans. But give GM or any US company some help and its morally repulsive. Any Gov. bailout is immediate cause for death of a US company. Does that makes sense?

So the logic is…….When a foriegn Gov. gives susbsidies and bailouts and unfair trade advantages to its manufacturers then it’s no foul and A-Ok to support those foriegn manufacturers.

However….If GM needs/gets the same then they swear to never buy from them or support or say a truthful word about them, EVER!

[dbapig]

[quote=Rt.66]
3) Pay their workers $5 or whatever a day in Korea (where most US hyundais are built).
[/quote]

$19,983 – GDP per capital of ROK estimated by World Bank in 2007
Here’s the wiki I got the info from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

ROK Hyundai doesn’t pay $5 a day to build cars. Are you kidding? Just in case you didn’t know, Hyundai doesn’t build cars in little shacks in ROK. They have factories all over the world. Hyundai/Kia is ranked 5 or 6 worldwide in # of cars they sold recently. I think Hyundai outsold Nissan last year.
AND Hyundai Motor has pretty aggressive unions. It’s infamous. They stage strike almost every year.

One thing Hyundai Motor doesn’t have to worry about is paying for health care of workers/retirees because it’s paid for by govt. That’s right, ROK govt offers universal healthcare for all citizens AND people of Korean ancestry who are citizens of other country. You pay a monthly fee (adjusted for your income level) to enroll and you are covered.

I’m confused why you are picking on Hyundai/ROK. Is it because the actor is promoting Hyundai? Where’s China in your grumbling? Do you know how unfair China’s trade policy is? Like allowing only 10 premiers per year of movies from USA? And how unbalanced the trade is between China and USA?

A little history lesson.
Here’s how ROK’s GDP per capita moved in 57 years.
$976 – 1950
$19,983 – 2007

I got $976 from http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_per_cap_in_195-economy-gdp-per-capita-1950

If you really want to level complaint at someone/nation publicly, you should know more about it a bit more…

Final comment.
I will tell you what’s really wrong with US. It’s the lack of focus on education. The only reason ROK went from GDP per capita of $976 in the 1950’s to $19,983 of 2007 is because of education. ROK’s education isn’t without its faults of course. How much focus are we putting on educating our kids?

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[quote=Rt.66]
3) Pay their workers $5 or whatever a day in Korea (where most US hyundais are built).
[/quote]

$19,983 – GDP per capital of ROK estimated by World Bank in 2007
Here’s the wiki I got the info from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

ROK Hyundai doesn’t pay $5 a day to build cars. Are you kidding? Just in case you didn’t know, Hyundai doesn’t build cars in little shacks in ROK. They have factories all over the world. Hyundai/Kia is ranked 5 or 6 worldwide in # of cars they sold recently. I think Hyundai outsold Nissan last year.
AND Hyundai Motor has pretty aggressive unions. It’s infamous. They stage strike almost every year.

One thing Hyundai Motor doesn’t have to worry about is paying for health care of workers/retirees because it’s paid for by govt. That’s right, ROK govt offers universal healthcare for all citizens AND people of Korean ancestry who are citizens of other country. You pay a monthly fee (adjusted for your income level) to enroll and you are covered.

I’m confused why you are picking on Hyundai/ROK. Is it because the actor is promoting Hyundai? Where’s China in your grumbling? Do you know how unfair China’s trade policy is? Like allowing only 10 premiers per year of movies from USA? And how unbalanced the trade is between China and USA?

A little history lesson.
Here’s how ROK’s GDP per capita moved in 57 years.
$976 – 1950
$19,983 – 2007

I got $976 from http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_per_cap_in_195-economy-gdp-per-capita-1950

If you really want to level complaint at someone/nation publicly, you should know more about it a bit more…

Final comment.
I will tell you what’s really wrong with US. It’s the lack of focus on education. The only reason ROK went from GDP per capita of $976 in the 1950’s to $19,983 of 2007 is because of education. ROK’s education isn’t without its faults of course. How much focus are we putting on educating our kids?

[dbapig]

[quote=Rt.66]
3) Pay their workers $5 or whatever a day in Korea (where most US hyundais are built).
[/quote]

$19,983 – GDP per capital of ROK estimated by World Bank in 2007
Here’s the wiki I got the info from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

ROK Hyundai doesn’t pay $5 a day to build cars. Are you kidding? Just in case you didn’t know, Hyundai doesn’t build cars in little shacks in ROK. They have factories all over the world. Hyundai/Kia is ranked 5 or 6 worldwide in # of cars they sold recently. I think Hyundai outsold Nissan last year.
AND Hyundai Motor has pretty aggressive unions. It’s infamous. They stage strike almost every year.

One thing Hyundai Motor doesn’t have to worry about is paying for health care of workers/retirees because it’s paid for by govt. That’s right, ROK govt offers universal healthcare for all citizens AND people of Korean ancestry who are citizens of other country. You pay a monthly fee (adjusted for your income level) to enroll and you are covered.

I’m confused why you are picking on Hyundai/ROK. Is it because the actor is promoting Hyundai? Where’s China in your grumbling? Do you know how unfair China’s trade policy is? Like allowing only 10 premiers per year of movies from USA? And how unbalanced the trade is between China and USA?

A little history lesson.
Here’s how ROK’s GDP per capita moved in 57 years.
$976 – 1950
$19,983 – 2007

I got $976 from http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_per_cap_in_195-economy-gdp-per-capita-1950

If you really want to level complaint at someone/nation publicly, you should know more about it a bit more…

Final comment.
I will tell you what’s really wrong with US. It’s the lack of focus on education. The only reason ROK went from GDP per capita of $976 in the 1950’s to $19,983 of 2007 is because of education. ROK’s education isn’t without its faults of course. How much focus are we putting on educating our kids?

[dbapig]

[quote=Rt.66]
3) Pay their workers $5 or whatever a day in Korea (where most US hyundais are built).
[/quote]

$19,983 – GDP per capital of ROK estimated by World Bank in 2007
Here’s the wiki I got the info from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

ROK Hyundai doesn’t pay $5 a day to build cars. Are you kidding? Just in case you didn’t know, Hyundai doesn’t build cars in little shacks in ROK. They have factories all over the world. Hyundai/Kia is ranked 5 or 6 worldwide in # of cars they sold recently. I think Hyundai outsold Nissan last year.
AND Hyundai Motor has pretty aggressive unions. It’s infamous. They stage strike almost every year.

One thing Hyundai Motor doesn’t have to worry about is paying for health care of workers/retirees because it’s paid for by govt. That’s right, ROK govt offers universal healthcare for all citizens AND people of Korean ancestry who are citizens of other country. You pay a monthly fee (adjusted for your income level) to enroll and you are covered.

I’m confused why you are picking on Hyundai/ROK. Is it because the actor is promoting Hyundai? Where’s China in your grumbling? Do you know how unfair China’s trade policy is? Like allowing only 10 premiers per year of movies from USA? And how unbalanced the trade is between China and USA?

A little history lesson.
Here’s how ROK’s GDP per capita moved in 57 years.
$976 – 1950
$19,983 – 2007

I got $976 from http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_per_cap_in_195-economy-gdp-per-capita-1950

If you really want to level complaint at someone/nation publicly, you should know more about it a bit more…

Final comment.
I will tell you what’s really wrong with US. It’s the lack of focus on education. The only reason ROK went from GDP per capita of $976 in the 1950’s to $19,983 of 2007 is because of education. ROK’s education isn’t without its faults of course. How much focus are we putting on educating our kids?

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