Thoughts on the passage of the health care bill?

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]
It took a crap load of discipline.[/quote]

just because you can do it doesn’t mean that millions of other can.

Are you saying tough luck to those who can’t follow your example?

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About Canada. They seem to be doing alright. Canadians seem to have lots of money these days to buy real estate in USA, despite universal health insurance.

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Zeitgeist, you think that Obama is such an idiot, then why worry about him? You seem to be pretty preoccupied by that idiot.

[SK in CV]

[quote=Zeitgeist]I guarantee you, your costs are going up, not down. Please enjoy writing the check for those poor 30 million you and that idiot who signed the bill talk so much about. You all deserve each other.[/quote]

Probably right that costs will go up. My group plan costs have increased an average of 210% since 200, with some as high as 385% (almost 5 times over 7 years). That’s more that tripled. With slightly higher co-pays for both doctor visits and prescription drugs. So there’s the baseline we have to start with. If costs increase less than 30% a year, we’ve made progress.

[SK in CV]

[quote=Zeitgeist]I guarantee you, your costs are going up, not down. Please enjoy writing the check for those poor 30 million you and that idiot who signed the bill talk so much about. You all deserve each other.[/quote]

Probably right that costs will go up. My group plan costs have increased an average of 210% since 200, with some as high as 385% (almost 5 times over 7 years). That’s more that tripled. With slightly higher co-pays for both doctor visits and prescription drugs. So there’s the baseline we have to start with. If costs increase less than 30% a year, we’ve made progress.

[SK in CV]

[quote=Zeitgeist]I guarantee you, your costs are going up, not down. Please enjoy writing the check for those poor 30 million you and that idiot who signed the bill talk so much about. You all deserve each other.[/quote]

Probably right that costs will go up. My group plan costs have increased an average of 210% since 200, with some as high as 385% (almost 5 times over 7 years). That’s more that tripled. With slightly higher co-pays for both doctor visits and prescription drugs. So there’s the baseline we have to start with. If costs increase less than 30% a year, we’ve made progress.

[SK in CV]

[quote=Zeitgeist]I guarantee you, your costs are going up, not down. Please enjoy writing the check for those poor 30 million you and that idiot who signed the bill talk so much about. You all deserve each other.[/quote]

Probably right that costs will go up. My group plan costs have increased an average of 210% since 200, with some as high as 385% (almost 5 times over 7 years). That’s more that tripled. With slightly higher co-pays for both doctor visits and prescription drugs. So there’s the baseline we have to start with. If costs increase less than 30% a year, we’ve made progress.

[SK in CV]

[quote=Zeitgeist]I guarantee you, your costs are going up, not down. Please enjoy writing the check for those poor 30 million you and that idiot who signed the bill talk so much about. You all deserve each other.[/quote]

Probably right that costs will go up. My group plan costs have increased an average of 210% since 200, with some as high as 385% (almost 5 times over 7 years). That’s more that tripled. With slightly higher co-pays for both doctor visits and prescription drugs. So there’s the baseline we have to start with. If costs increase less than 30% a year, we’ve made progress.

[beanmaestro]

[quote=dbapig][quote=SK in CV]
Like you, I’m pleased that it passed. But this is far from historic legislation. It is filled with ideas supported and proposed by every Republican president since Nixon. That certainly doesn’t make it bad, it’s simply less than historic. It is not a progressive bill. When insurance doesn’t cover all of women’s parts, it cannot be progressive. Hopefully, as you say, it is a step in the right direction.[/quote]

So why did ALL of the GOP in congress oppose it?[/quote]

The GOP gambled that they could the Dems couldn’t pass a bill, rather than help pass better legislation. If they had been willing to compromise, they might have gotten more of what they wanted.

[beanmaestro]

[quote=dbapig][quote=SK in CV]
Like you, I’m pleased that it passed. But this is far from historic legislation. It is filled with ideas supported and proposed by every Republican president since Nixon. That certainly doesn’t make it bad, it’s simply less than historic. It is not a progressive bill. When insurance doesn’t cover all of women’s parts, it cannot be progressive. Hopefully, as you say, it is a step in the right direction.[/quote]

So why did ALL of the GOP in congress oppose it?[/quote]

The GOP gambled that they could the Dems couldn’t pass a bill, rather than help pass better legislation. If they had been willing to compromise, they might have gotten more of what they wanted.

[beanmaestro]

[quote=dbapig][quote=SK in CV]
Like you, I’m pleased that it passed. But this is far from historic legislation. It is filled with ideas supported and proposed by every Republican president since Nixon. That certainly doesn’t make it bad, it’s simply less than historic. It is not a progressive bill. When insurance doesn’t cover all of women’s parts, it cannot be progressive. Hopefully, as you say, it is a step in the right direction.[/quote]

So why did ALL of the GOP in congress oppose it?[/quote]

The GOP gambled that they could the Dems couldn’t pass a bill, rather than help pass better legislation. If they had been willing to compromise, they might have gotten more of what they wanted.

[beanmaestro]

[quote=dbapig][quote=SK in CV]
Like you, I’m pleased that it passed. But this is far from historic legislation. It is filled with ideas supported and proposed by every Republican president since Nixon. That certainly doesn’t make it bad, it’s simply less than historic. It is not a progressive bill. When insurance doesn’t cover all of women’s parts, it cannot be progressive. Hopefully, as you say, it is a step in the right direction.[/quote]

So why did ALL of the GOP in congress oppose it?[/quote]

The GOP gambled that they could the Dems couldn’t pass a bill, rather than help pass better legislation. If they had been willing to compromise, they might have gotten more of what they wanted.

[beanmaestro]

[quote=dbapig][quote=SK in CV]
Like you, I’m pleased that it passed. But this is far from historic legislation. It is filled with ideas supported and proposed by every Republican president since Nixon. That certainly doesn’t make it bad, it’s simply less than historic. It is not a progressive bill. When insurance doesn’t cover all of women’s parts, it cannot be progressive. Hopefully, as you say, it is a step in the right direction.[/quote]

So why did ALL of the GOP in congress oppose it?[/quote]

The GOP gambled that they could the Dems couldn’t pass a bill, rather than help pass better legislation. If they had been willing to compromise, they might have gotten more of what they wanted.

[beanmaestro]

[quote=ucodegen]

Ucodegen mentioned he is “basically” self-insured. Although I don’t know the details, I would guess he does not mean that literally.

Wrong, literally/actually/for real… in liquid assets. I hope this is now clear..

Did anyone try the ‘little exercise’ I mentioned? Take and sum up all the payments you have made into ‘health insurance’ and apply an inside rate of return?.. or would you rather take pot-shots at people.[/quote]

A good friend’s brother in law was hit by a hit & run driver four years ago. He died about two weeks later, after an organ transplant and several other last ditch efforts failed. The final bill (delivered to his widow, but paid by MediCal) was over $700k. Would your self-insurance cover that?

Or, if not… it’s worth noting that Cully was conscious much of the time; they just couldn’t fix his liver. Let’s put you in his place. Would you have asked them to let you die when when the bill exceeded your savings balance?

[beanmaestro]

[quote=ucodegen]

Ucodegen mentioned he is “basically” self-insured. Although I don’t know the details, I would guess he does not mean that literally.

Wrong, literally/actually/for real… in liquid assets. I hope this is now clear..

Did anyone try the ‘little exercise’ I mentioned? Take and sum up all the payments you have made into ‘health insurance’ and apply an inside rate of return?.. or would you rather take pot-shots at people.[/quote]

A good friend’s brother in law was hit by a hit & run driver four years ago. He died about two weeks later, after an organ transplant and several other last ditch efforts failed. The final bill (delivered to his widow, but paid by MediCal) was over $700k. Would your self-insurance cover that?

Or, if not… it’s worth noting that Cully was conscious much of the time; they just couldn’t fix his liver. Let’s put you in his place. Would you have asked them to let you die when when the bill exceeded your savings balance?

[beanmaestro]

[quote=ucodegen]

Ucodegen mentioned he is “basically” self-insured. Although I don’t know the details, I would guess he does not mean that literally.

Wrong, literally/actually/for real… in liquid assets. I hope this is now clear..

Did anyone try the ‘little exercise’ I mentioned? Take and sum up all the payments you have made into ‘health insurance’ and apply an inside rate of return?.. or would you rather take pot-shots at people.[/quote]

A good friend’s brother in law was hit by a hit & run driver four years ago. He died about two weeks later, after an organ transplant and several other last ditch efforts failed. The final bill (delivered to his widow, but paid by MediCal) was over $700k. Would your self-insurance cover that?

Or, if not… it’s worth noting that Cully was conscious much of the time; they just couldn’t fix his liver. Let’s put you in his place. Would you have asked them to let you die when when the bill exceeded your savings balance?

[beanmaestro]

[quote=ucodegen]

Ucodegen mentioned he is “basically” self-insured. Although I don’t know the details, I would guess he does not mean that literally.

Wrong, literally/actually/for real… in liquid assets. I hope this is now clear..

Did anyone try the ‘little exercise’ I mentioned? Take and sum up all the payments you have made into ‘health insurance’ and apply an inside rate of return?.. or would you rather take pot-shots at people.[/quote]

A good friend’s brother in law was hit by a hit & run driver four years ago. He died about two weeks later, after an organ transplant and several other last ditch efforts failed. The final bill (delivered to his widow, but paid by MediCal) was over $700k. Would your self-insurance cover that?

Or, if not… it’s worth noting that Cully was conscious much of the time; they just couldn’t fix his liver. Let’s put you in his place. Would you have asked them to let you die when when the bill exceeded your savings balance?

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