Thoughts on the passage of the health care bill?

[dbapig]

[quote=DWCAP][quote=dbapig][quote=DWCAP][quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]

And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]

Who’s you daddy? Is he Bill Gates? If so, than yeah, no need to worry about not having health insurance. But of course you are not. What’s the goal of having ‘insurance’? It exists because MOST people don’t have the means to be prepared for any surprises in life such as car accidents/fire/illness.

What the bill does is reform health insurance, not setting up a Universal Health care. No?

You talk about quality of life going down. I assure you for those who couldn’t get health insurance (about 30 million?) their quality of life is going way up. And it’s not just for those who don’t have health insurance now but others who have them but have to worry about losing it when they somehow lose their jobs. One (very important) less thing to feel insecure about. I’d say quality of life is going up.[/quote]

1. I was attempting to reply that the part of society that benifits most from this legeslation is the part that will pay little to nothing for this benifit.
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2. But that should serve as a wakeup call to expain why it is important, not some angry ‘who’s your daddy’ detribes.
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3. I am glad you so angrly agree with me.[/quote]

1. Tax cuts benefit a few (rich) the most. It goes both ways.

2. I wasn’t trying to sound angry but funny. Sorry I failed. So let me rephrase it this way. Is Bill Gates your father?

3. Trust me, I am not angry. I am so happy. It could be better but still happy.

[ucodegen]

No offense intended. Wish we could all afford to keep enough liquid assets to cover all health needs. In an imperfect world we do need health insurance. I am not a fan of how it is run — in the least — but was trying to point out the necessity of coming to an agreement on how to cover the costs for at least most of the people

It took a crap load of discipline. And once I got laid off, it really benefited me because I had the nasty combination of being w/o job and real sick. The costs didn’t even put a nick in what I had put away. I wish it could have been pre-tax though. If I had done the insurance route, I wouldn’t have been that fortunate.

I think the need for insurance needs to be better discussed, because there are other ways to do it. I liked the Blue Shield method until they went for profit. That is why I proposed the ‘exercise’. When people have to pay for something in monthly increments, they usually forget what the total cost ends up being. Can anyone quickly state what multiple of the initial purchase price that one eventually pays when using a mortgage? ‘the bill’ eventually has to be paid somehow. Either it is effectively from money saved or by distributing the costs. Insurance does not make it go away automagically. Insurance is most effective for managing risks, not for driving down the cost. Right now the biggest problem we have is run-away costs.

[ucodegen]

No offense intended. Wish we could all afford to keep enough liquid assets to cover all health needs. In an imperfect world we do need health insurance. I am not a fan of how it is run — in the least — but was trying to point out the necessity of coming to an agreement on how to cover the costs for at least most of the people

It took a crap load of discipline. And once I got laid off, it really benefited me because I had the nasty combination of being w/o job and real sick. The costs didn’t even put a nick in what I had put away. I wish it could have been pre-tax though. If I had done the insurance route, I wouldn’t have been that fortunate.

I think the need for insurance needs to be better discussed, because there are other ways to do it. I liked the Blue Shield method until they went for profit. That is why I proposed the ‘exercise’. When people have to pay for something in monthly increments, they usually forget what the total cost ends up being. Can anyone quickly state what multiple of the initial purchase price that one eventually pays when using a mortgage? ‘the bill’ eventually has to be paid somehow. Either it is effectively from money saved or by distributing the costs. Insurance does not make it go away automagically. Insurance is most effective for managing risks, not for driving down the cost. Right now the biggest problem we have is run-away costs.

[ucodegen]

No offense intended. Wish we could all afford to keep enough liquid assets to cover all health needs. In an imperfect world we do need health insurance. I am not a fan of how it is run — in the least — but was trying to point out the necessity of coming to an agreement on how to cover the costs for at least most of the people

It took a crap load of discipline. And once I got laid off, it really benefited me because I had the nasty combination of being w/o job and real sick. The costs didn’t even put a nick in what I had put away. I wish it could have been pre-tax though. If I had done the insurance route, I wouldn’t have been that fortunate.

I think the need for insurance needs to be better discussed, because there are other ways to do it. I liked the Blue Shield method until they went for profit. That is why I proposed the ‘exercise’. When people have to pay for something in monthly increments, they usually forget what the total cost ends up being. Can anyone quickly state what multiple of the initial purchase price that one eventually pays when using a mortgage? ‘the bill’ eventually has to be paid somehow. Either it is effectively from money saved or by distributing the costs. Insurance does not make it go away automagically. Insurance is most effective for managing risks, not for driving down the cost. Right now the biggest problem we have is run-away costs.

[ucodegen]

No offense intended. Wish we could all afford to keep enough liquid assets to cover all health needs. In an imperfect world we do need health insurance. I am not a fan of how it is run — in the least — but was trying to point out the necessity of coming to an agreement on how to cover the costs for at least most of the people

It took a crap load of discipline. And once I got laid off, it really benefited me because I had the nasty combination of being w/o job and real sick. The costs didn’t even put a nick in what I had put away. I wish it could have been pre-tax though. If I had done the insurance route, I wouldn’t have been that fortunate.

I think the need for insurance needs to be better discussed, because there are other ways to do it. I liked the Blue Shield method until they went for profit. That is why I proposed the ‘exercise’. When people have to pay for something in monthly increments, they usually forget what the total cost ends up being. Can anyone quickly state what multiple of the initial purchase price that one eventually pays when using a mortgage? ‘the bill’ eventually has to be paid somehow. Either it is effectively from money saved or by distributing the costs. Insurance does not make it go away automagically. Insurance is most effective for managing risks, not for driving down the cost. Right now the biggest problem we have is run-away costs.

[ucodegen]

No offense intended. Wish we could all afford to keep enough liquid assets to cover all health needs. In an imperfect world we do need health insurance. I am not a fan of how it is run — in the least — but was trying to point out the necessity of coming to an agreement on how to cover the costs for at least most of the people

It took a crap load of discipline. And once I got laid off, it really benefited me because I had the nasty combination of being w/o job and real sick. The costs didn’t even put a nick in what I had put away. I wish it could have been pre-tax though. If I had done the insurance route, I wouldn’t have been that fortunate.

I think the need for insurance needs to be better discussed, because there are other ways to do it. I liked the Blue Shield method until they went for profit. That is why I proposed the ‘exercise’. When people have to pay for something in monthly increments, they usually forget what the total cost ends up being. Can anyone quickly state what multiple of the initial purchase price that one eventually pays when using a mortgage? ‘the bill’ eventually has to be paid somehow. Either it is effectively from money saved or by distributing the costs. Insurance does not make it go away automagically. Insurance is most effective for managing risks, not for driving down the cost. Right now the biggest problem we have is run-away costs.

[Zeitgeist]

I guarantee you, your costs are going up, not down. Please enjoy writing the check for those poor 30 million you and that idiot who signed the bill talk so much about. You all deserve each other.

[Zeitgeist]

I guarantee you, your costs are going up, not down. Please enjoy writing the check for those poor 30 million you and that idiot who signed the bill talk so much about. You all deserve each other.

[Zeitgeist]

I guarantee you, your costs are going up, not down. Please enjoy writing the check for those poor 30 million you and that idiot who signed the bill talk so much about. You all deserve each other.

[Zeitgeist]

I guarantee you, your costs are going up, not down. Please enjoy writing the check for those poor 30 million you and that idiot who signed the bill talk so much about. You all deserve each other.

[Zeitgeist]

I guarantee you, your costs are going up, not down. Please enjoy writing the check for those poor 30 million you and that idiot who signed the bill talk so much about. You all deserve each other.

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]
It took a crap load of discipline.[/quote]

just because you can do it doesn’t mean that millions of other can.

Are you saying tough luck to those who can’t follow your example?

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About Canada. They seem to be doing alright. Canadians seem to have lots of money these days to buy real estate in USA, despite universal health insurance.

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Zeitgeist, you think that Obama is such an idiot, then why worry about him? You seem to be pretty preoccupied by that idiot.

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]
It took a crap load of discipline.[/quote]

just because you can do it doesn’t mean that millions of other can.

Are you saying tough luck to those who can’t follow your example?

*

About Canada. They seem to be doing alright. Canadians seem to have lots of money these days to buy real estate in USA, despite universal health insurance.

*

Zeitgeist, you think that Obama is such an idiot, then why worry about him? You seem to be pretty preoccupied by that idiot.

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]
It took a crap load of discipline.[/quote]

just because you can do it doesn’t mean that millions of other can.

Are you saying tough luck to those who can’t follow your example?

*

About Canada. They seem to be doing alright. Canadians seem to have lots of money these days to buy real estate in USA, despite universal health insurance.

*

Zeitgeist, you think that Obama is such an idiot, then why worry about him? You seem to be pretty preoccupied by that idiot.

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]
It took a crap load of discipline.[/quote]

just because you can do it doesn’t mean that millions of other can.

Are you saying tough luck to those who can’t follow your example?

*

About Canada. They seem to be doing alright. Canadians seem to have lots of money these days to buy real estate in USA, despite universal health insurance.

*

Zeitgeist, you think that Obama is such an idiot, then why worry about him? You seem to be pretty preoccupied by that idiot.

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