Thoughts on the passage of the health care bill?

[SK in CV]

[quote=dbapig]
Why did ALL of the GOP in congress oppose it?[/quote]

Is that a serious question? The party of NO. Had they been serious about health care reform there would have been logical discussion instead of fallacious claims about the content of the proposals. (six months ago there was a list posted here, supposedly written by a republican constitutional lawyer, of close to a 100 bad things in the original house bill. I read the entire bill. I posted a response to each one. 98% of them were out and out falsehoods. Death panels. Free coverage for undocumented aliens. Funding for ACORN health clinics. The other 2% were either partially true or accurate but absurd complaints.)

They made a mistake. As a party they believed that politically, an Obama failure meant a Republican victory. This time, hyper-partisanship did not work. They failed. They were wrong.

[DWCAP]

[quote=dbapig][quote=DWCAP][quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]

And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]

Who’s you daddy? Is he Bill Gates? If so, than yeah, no need to worry about not having health insurance. But of course you are not. What’s the goal of having ‘insurance’? It exists because MOST people don’t have the means to be prepared for any surprises in life such as car accidents/fire/illness.

What the bill does is reform health insurance, not setting up a Universal Health care. No?

You talk about quality of life going down. I assure you for those who couldn’t get health insurance (about 30 million?) their quality of life is going way up. And it’s not just for those who don’t have health insurance now but others who have them but have to worry about losing it when they somehow lose their jobs. One (very important) less thing to feel insecure about. I’d say quality of life is going up.[/quote]

he, I knew that would generate some wild ass emotional responses that had little to nothing to do with disproving what I said. I considered not posting it for a while, but in the end did becuase absoultly nothing I said in it isnt correct, or written in a mean spirited way. It isnt a personal slam against AFX, that is why I deleated everything except the “I am happy” part.

I was attempting to reply that the part of society that benifits most from this legeslation is the part that will pay little to nothing for this benifit. That is just a fact not changed by people dying of diabeties or anything else. Dont be suprised why people not being helped by this, and in the case of those with great coverage or the rich, actually financially hurt by it, are not happy about it. We can debate the necessity of a society to provide insurance to everyone all day, and I will listen intently. I, in some ways, already do agree with you. But that should serve as a wakeup call to expain why it is important, not some angry ‘who’s your daddy’ detribes.

(I personally think that alot of the anger and frustration over this bill comes from the fact that it was poorly communicated, mis-understood, and rammed through with some parlimentry procedure that leaves a stench on everything passed by it. It doesnt help that it is the center piece of the Obama administrations efforts and if it had been stopped, and perpaps even if passed in this mannor, will aid the minority party in an election year. Front loading the benifits, back loading the costs, and berating anyone who questions you as a murder who wants to see people with treatable diseases die in the streets is a perfect way for the plurality, those not helped directly by this, to smell a rat.)

As for the above response, first off I am glad you totally agree with me that most people cant afford health care outright. That is why I stated that in the post. I then went on to explain that most people get their health care in a communal pool that averages out the risk in their work place. Employers, with a financial incentive to have a healthy workforce, assist in this to make it affordable. You also agree with me. And to the fact that this will raise the quality of life for those who previously didnt have any insurance, you also apparently agree with me. The governement has decided to raise taxes on certain activites and individuals to pay for other individuals health insurance. I suppose I only emplyed that the purpose of this was to raise the quality of life for those who didnt have insurance before, I kinda thought that was understood, so my bad. I obviously should have stated more clearly that this will hurt some to benifit more.

I am glad you so angrly agree with me.

[DWCAP]

[quote=dbapig][quote=DWCAP][quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]

And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]

Who’s you daddy? Is he Bill Gates? If so, than yeah, no need to worry about not having health insurance. But of course you are not. What’s the goal of having ‘insurance’? It exists because MOST people don’t have the means to be prepared for any surprises in life such as car accidents/fire/illness.

What the bill does is reform health insurance, not setting up a Universal Health care. No?

You talk about quality of life going down. I assure you for those who couldn’t get health insurance (about 30 million?) their quality of life is going way up. And it’s not just for those who don’t have health insurance now but others who have them but have to worry about losing it when they somehow lose their jobs. One (very important) less thing to feel insecure about. I’d say quality of life is going up.[/quote]

he, I knew that would generate some wild ass emotional responses that had little to nothing to do with disproving what I said. I considered not posting it for a while, but in the end did becuase absoultly nothing I said in it isnt correct, or written in a mean spirited way. It isnt a personal slam against AFX, that is why I deleated everything except the “I am happy” part.

I was attempting to reply that the part of society that benifits most from this legeslation is the part that will pay little to nothing for this benifit. That is just a fact not changed by people dying of diabeties or anything else. Dont be suprised why people not being helped by this, and in the case of those with great coverage or the rich, actually financially hurt by it, are not happy about it. We can debate the necessity of a society to provide insurance to everyone all day, and I will listen intently. I, in some ways, already do agree with you. But that should serve as a wakeup call to expain why it is important, not some angry ‘who’s your daddy’ detribes.

(I personally think that alot of the anger and frustration over this bill comes from the fact that it was poorly communicated, mis-understood, and rammed through with some parlimentry procedure that leaves a stench on everything passed by it. It doesnt help that it is the center piece of the Obama administrations efforts and if it had been stopped, and perpaps even if passed in this mannor, will aid the minority party in an election year. Front loading the benifits, back loading the costs, and berating anyone who questions you as a murder who wants to see people with treatable diseases die in the streets is a perfect way for the plurality, those not helped directly by this, to smell a rat.)

As for the above response, first off I am glad you totally agree with me that most people cant afford health care outright. That is why I stated that in the post. I then went on to explain that most people get their health care in a communal pool that averages out the risk in their work place. Employers, with a financial incentive to have a healthy workforce, assist in this to make it affordable. You also agree with me. And to the fact that this will raise the quality of life for those who previously didnt have any insurance, you also apparently agree with me. The governement has decided to raise taxes on certain activites and individuals to pay for other individuals health insurance. I suppose I only emplyed that the purpose of this was to raise the quality of life for those who didnt have insurance before, I kinda thought that was understood, so my bad. I obviously should have stated more clearly that this will hurt some to benifit more.

I am glad you so angrly agree with me.

[DWCAP]

[quote=dbapig][quote=DWCAP][quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]

And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]

Who’s you daddy? Is he Bill Gates? If so, than yeah, no need to worry about not having health insurance. But of course you are not. What’s the goal of having ‘insurance’? It exists because MOST people don’t have the means to be prepared for any surprises in life such as car accidents/fire/illness.

What the bill does is reform health insurance, not setting up a Universal Health care. No?

You talk about quality of life going down. I assure you for those who couldn’t get health insurance (about 30 million?) their quality of life is going way up. And it’s not just for those who don’t have health insurance now but others who have them but have to worry about losing it when they somehow lose their jobs. One (very important) less thing to feel insecure about. I’d say quality of life is going up.[/quote]

he, I knew that would generate some wild ass emotional responses that had little to nothing to do with disproving what I said. I considered not posting it for a while, but in the end did becuase absoultly nothing I said in it isnt correct, or written in a mean spirited way. It isnt a personal slam against AFX, that is why I deleated everything except the “I am happy” part.

I was attempting to reply that the part of society that benifits most from this legeslation is the part that will pay little to nothing for this benifit. That is just a fact not changed by people dying of diabeties or anything else. Dont be suprised why people not being helped by this, and in the case of those with great coverage or the rich, actually financially hurt by it, are not happy about it. We can debate the necessity of a society to provide insurance to everyone all day, and I will listen intently. I, in some ways, already do agree with you. But that should serve as a wakeup call to expain why it is important, not some angry ‘who’s your daddy’ detribes.

(I personally think that alot of the anger and frustration over this bill comes from the fact that it was poorly communicated, mis-understood, and rammed through with some parlimentry procedure that leaves a stench on everything passed by it. It doesnt help that it is the center piece of the Obama administrations efforts and if it had been stopped, and perpaps even if passed in this mannor, will aid the minority party in an election year. Front loading the benifits, back loading the costs, and berating anyone who questions you as a murder who wants to see people with treatable diseases die in the streets is a perfect way for the plurality, those not helped directly by this, to smell a rat.)

As for the above response, first off I am glad you totally agree with me that most people cant afford health care outright. That is why I stated that in the post. I then went on to explain that most people get their health care in a communal pool that averages out the risk in their work place. Employers, with a financial incentive to have a healthy workforce, assist in this to make it affordable. You also agree with me. And to the fact that this will raise the quality of life for those who previously didnt have any insurance, you also apparently agree with me. The governement has decided to raise taxes on certain activites and individuals to pay for other individuals health insurance. I suppose I only emplyed that the purpose of this was to raise the quality of life for those who didnt have insurance before, I kinda thought that was understood, so my bad. I obviously should have stated more clearly that this will hurt some to benifit more.

I am glad you so angrly agree with me.

[DWCAP]

[quote=dbapig][quote=DWCAP][quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]

And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]

Who’s you daddy? Is he Bill Gates? If so, than yeah, no need to worry about not having health insurance. But of course you are not. What’s the goal of having ‘insurance’? It exists because MOST people don’t have the means to be prepared for any surprises in life such as car accidents/fire/illness.

What the bill does is reform health insurance, not setting up a Universal Health care. No?

You talk about quality of life going down. I assure you for those who couldn’t get health insurance (about 30 million?) their quality of life is going way up. And it’s not just for those who don’t have health insurance now but others who have them but have to worry about losing it when they somehow lose their jobs. One (very important) less thing to feel insecure about. I’d say quality of life is going up.[/quote]

he, I knew that would generate some wild ass emotional responses that had little to nothing to do with disproving what I said. I considered not posting it for a while, but in the end did becuase absoultly nothing I said in it isnt correct, or written in a mean spirited way. It isnt a personal slam against AFX, that is why I deleated everything except the “I am happy” part.

I was attempting to reply that the part of society that benifits most from this legeslation is the part that will pay little to nothing for this benifit. That is just a fact not changed by people dying of diabeties or anything else. Dont be suprised why people not being helped by this, and in the case of those with great coverage or the rich, actually financially hurt by it, are not happy about it. We can debate the necessity of a society to provide insurance to everyone all day, and I will listen intently. I, in some ways, already do agree with you. But that should serve as a wakeup call to expain why it is important, not some angry ‘who’s your daddy’ detribes.

(I personally think that alot of the anger and frustration over this bill comes from the fact that it was poorly communicated, mis-understood, and rammed through with some parlimentry procedure that leaves a stench on everything passed by it. It doesnt help that it is the center piece of the Obama administrations efforts and if it had been stopped, and perpaps even if passed in this mannor, will aid the minority party in an election year. Front loading the benifits, back loading the costs, and berating anyone who questions you as a murder who wants to see people with treatable diseases die in the streets is a perfect way for the plurality, those not helped directly by this, to smell a rat.)

As for the above response, first off I am glad you totally agree with me that most people cant afford health care outright. That is why I stated that in the post. I then went on to explain that most people get their health care in a communal pool that averages out the risk in their work place. Employers, with a financial incentive to have a healthy workforce, assist in this to make it affordable. You also agree with me. And to the fact that this will raise the quality of life for those who previously didnt have any insurance, you also apparently agree with me. The governement has decided to raise taxes on certain activites and individuals to pay for other individuals health insurance. I suppose I only emplyed that the purpose of this was to raise the quality of life for those who didnt have insurance before, I kinda thought that was understood, so my bad. I obviously should have stated more clearly that this will hurt some to benifit more.

I am glad you so angrly agree with me.

[DWCAP]

[quote=dbapig][quote=DWCAP][quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]

And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]

Who’s you daddy? Is he Bill Gates? If so, than yeah, no need to worry about not having health insurance. But of course you are not. What’s the goal of having ‘insurance’? It exists because MOST people don’t have the means to be prepared for any surprises in life such as car accidents/fire/illness.

What the bill does is reform health insurance, not setting up a Universal Health care. No?

You talk about quality of life going down. I assure you for those who couldn’t get health insurance (about 30 million?) their quality of life is going way up. And it’s not just for those who don’t have health insurance now but others who have them but have to worry about losing it when they somehow lose their jobs. One (very important) less thing to feel insecure about. I’d say quality of life is going up.[/quote]

he, I knew that would generate some wild ass emotional responses that had little to nothing to do with disproving what I said. I considered not posting it for a while, but in the end did becuase absoultly nothing I said in it isnt correct, or written in a mean spirited way. It isnt a personal slam against AFX, that is why I deleated everything except the “I am happy” part.

I was attempting to reply that the part of society that benifits most from this legeslation is the part that will pay little to nothing for this benifit. That is just a fact not changed by people dying of diabeties or anything else. Dont be suprised why people not being helped by this, and in the case of those with great coverage or the rich, actually financially hurt by it, are not happy about it. We can debate the necessity of a society to provide insurance to everyone all day, and I will listen intently. I, in some ways, already do agree with you. But that should serve as a wakeup call to expain why it is important, not some angry ‘who’s your daddy’ detribes.

(I personally think that alot of the anger and frustration over this bill comes from the fact that it was poorly communicated, mis-understood, and rammed through with some parlimentry procedure that leaves a stench on everything passed by it. It doesnt help that it is the center piece of the Obama administrations efforts and if it had been stopped, and perpaps even if passed in this mannor, will aid the minority party in an election year. Front loading the benifits, back loading the costs, and berating anyone who questions you as a murder who wants to see people with treatable diseases die in the streets is a perfect way for the plurality, those not helped directly by this, to smell a rat.)

As for the above response, first off I am glad you totally agree with me that most people cant afford health care outright. That is why I stated that in the post. I then went on to explain that most people get their health care in a communal pool that averages out the risk in their work place. Employers, with a financial incentive to have a healthy workforce, assist in this to make it affordable. You also agree with me. And to the fact that this will raise the quality of life for those who previously didnt have any insurance, you also apparently agree with me. The governement has decided to raise taxes on certain activites and individuals to pay for other individuals health insurance. I suppose I only emplyed that the purpose of this was to raise the quality of life for those who didnt have insurance before, I kinda thought that was understood, so my bad. I obviously should have stated more clearly that this will hurt some to benifit more.

I am glad you so angrly agree with me.

[jpinpb]

[quote=SK in CV]Canada does not provide healthcare. It has federally mandated and run health insurance, which is partially funded by each province. Some with direct payments of premiums, some with other fees and taxes. Unlike our VA hospitals, it is NOT socialized medicine. Doctors do not work for the government. The UK is socialized medicine. Not Canada.[/quote]

SK – Thanks. I was not very familiar w/Canada’s health plan, only Europe. From watching Sicko, I got the impression that Canada’s health care was similar to that of Europe. I know Italy provides healthcare to all. I’ve heard mixed things about it, but I do know there is no insurance involved. You can buy additional health insurance if you want to go to private doctors who are not government doctors.

[jpinpb]

[quote=SK in CV]Canada does not provide healthcare. It has federally mandated and run health insurance, which is partially funded by each province. Some with direct payments of premiums, some with other fees and taxes. Unlike our VA hospitals, it is NOT socialized medicine. Doctors do not work for the government. The UK is socialized medicine. Not Canada.[/quote]

SK – Thanks. I was not very familiar w/Canada’s health plan, only Europe. From watching Sicko, I got the impression that Canada’s health care was similar to that of Europe. I know Italy provides healthcare to all. I’ve heard mixed things about it, but I do know there is no insurance involved. You can buy additional health insurance if you want to go to private doctors who are not government doctors.

[jpinpb]

[quote=SK in CV]Canada does not provide healthcare. It has federally mandated and run health insurance, which is partially funded by each province. Some with direct payments of premiums, some with other fees and taxes. Unlike our VA hospitals, it is NOT socialized medicine. Doctors do not work for the government. The UK is socialized medicine. Not Canada.[/quote]

SK – Thanks. I was not very familiar w/Canada’s health plan, only Europe. From watching Sicko, I got the impression that Canada’s health care was similar to that of Europe. I know Italy provides healthcare to all. I’ve heard mixed things about it, but I do know there is no insurance involved. You can buy additional health insurance if you want to go to private doctors who are not government doctors.

[jpinpb]

[quote=SK in CV]Canada does not provide healthcare. It has federally mandated and run health insurance, which is partially funded by each province. Some with direct payments of premiums, some with other fees and taxes. Unlike our VA hospitals, it is NOT socialized medicine. Doctors do not work for the government. The UK is socialized medicine. Not Canada.[/quote]

SK – Thanks. I was not very familiar w/Canada’s health plan, only Europe. From watching Sicko, I got the impression that Canada’s health care was similar to that of Europe. I know Italy provides healthcare to all. I’ve heard mixed things about it, but I do know there is no insurance involved. You can buy additional health insurance if you want to go to private doctors who are not government doctors.

[jpinpb]

[quote=SK in CV]Canada does not provide healthcare. It has federally mandated and run health insurance, which is partially funded by each province. Some with direct payments of premiums, some with other fees and taxes. Unlike our VA hospitals, it is NOT socialized medicine. Doctors do not work for the government. The UK is socialized medicine. Not Canada.[/quote]

SK – Thanks. I was not very familiar w/Canada’s health plan, only Europe. From watching Sicko, I got the impression that Canada’s health care was similar to that of Europe. I know Italy provides healthcare to all. I’ve heard mixed things about it, but I do know there is no insurance involved. You can buy additional health insurance if you want to go to private doctors who are not government doctors.

[briansd1]

Interesting timeline by NYT

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/07/19/us/politics/20090717_HEALTH_TIMELINE.html

Like i said, it will take time. Can’t get everything all at once.

[briansd1]

Interesting timeline by NYT

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/07/19/us/politics/20090717_HEALTH_TIMELINE.html

Like i said, it will take time. Can’t get everything all at once.

[briansd1]

Interesting timeline by NYT

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/07/19/us/politics/20090717_HEALTH_TIMELINE.html

Like i said, it will take time. Can’t get everything all at once.

[briansd1]

Interesting timeline by NYT

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/07/19/us/politics/20090717_HEALTH_TIMELINE.html

Like i said, it will take time. Can’t get everything all at once.

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