Thoughts on the passage of the health care bill?

[Anonymous]

[quote=larrylujack]
agree 100%. when $ is spent on expensive never-ending wars the neo-con right never complains, but when it comes to healthcare for the benefit of American citizens, even though this bill is a gift to the insurance industry, suddenly the neo-cons are concerned about gov’t spending. the hypocrisy is stunning but revealing.[/quote]

Don’t forget that that great bastion of right-wing thought, G.W. Bush, signed into law his own trillion dollar pharmacare boondoggle and nary a peep was heard out of the right. When it’s Republicans spending the money, any hint of fiscal conservatism goes out the door. When it’s Democrats spending the money, suddenly the country is on the verge of bankruptcy.

And let’s not forget the Bush tax cuts which cost over a trillion dollars. Repeal the Bush tax cuts and Universal Health Care is paid for.

[34f3f3f]

[quote=ucodegen]
I guess that people forgot what happened when mandatory auto insurance was legislated in California. It was supposed to reduce costs, but had the opposite effect. The insurance companies had forced customers. They would assign higher risk profiles to people than they really were.. driving up the fees. It got to the point that the people in California had to create yet another bureaucracy to control auto insurance prices.
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I believe there will be measures to ensure premiums are not allowed to sky-rocket. Afterall, that was the thrust of the bill.

I was pleased with the result, and is provides an incentive to return to the US. All we need now is for home prices to correct to where they should be, and my wife and will be packing our bags.

[34f3f3f]

[quote=ucodegen]
I guess that people forgot what happened when mandatory auto insurance was legislated in California. It was supposed to reduce costs, but had the opposite effect. The insurance companies had forced customers. They would assign higher risk profiles to people than they really were.. driving up the fees. It got to the point that the people in California had to create yet another bureaucracy to control auto insurance prices.
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I believe there will be measures to ensure premiums are not allowed to sky-rocket. Afterall, that was the thrust of the bill.

I was pleased with the result, and is provides an incentive to return to the US. All we need now is for home prices to correct to where they should be, and my wife and will be packing our bags.

[34f3f3f]

[quote=ucodegen]
I guess that people forgot what happened when mandatory auto insurance was legislated in California. It was supposed to reduce costs, but had the opposite effect. The insurance companies had forced customers. They would assign higher risk profiles to people than they really were.. driving up the fees. It got to the point that the people in California had to create yet another bureaucracy to control auto insurance prices.
[/quote]

I believe there will be measures to ensure premiums are not allowed to sky-rocket. Afterall, that was the thrust of the bill.

I was pleased with the result, and is provides an incentive to return to the US. All we need now is for home prices to correct to where they should be, and my wife and will be packing our bags.

[34f3f3f]

[quote=ucodegen]
I guess that people forgot what happened when mandatory auto insurance was legislated in California. It was supposed to reduce costs, but had the opposite effect. The insurance companies had forced customers. They would assign higher risk profiles to people than they really were.. driving up the fees. It got to the point that the people in California had to create yet another bureaucracy to control auto insurance prices.
[/quote]

I believe there will be measures to ensure premiums are not allowed to sky-rocket. Afterall, that was the thrust of the bill.

I was pleased with the result, and is provides an incentive to return to the US. All we need now is for home prices to correct to where they should be, and my wife and will be packing our bags.

[34f3f3f]

[quote=ucodegen]
I guess that people forgot what happened when mandatory auto insurance was legislated in California. It was supposed to reduce costs, but had the opposite effect. The insurance companies had forced customers. They would assign higher risk profiles to people than they really were.. driving up the fees. It got to the point that the people in California had to create yet another bureaucracy to control auto insurance prices.
[/quote]

I believe there will be measures to ensure premiums are not allowed to sky-rocket. Afterall, that was the thrust of the bill.

I was pleased with the result, and is provides an incentive to return to the US. All we need now is for home prices to correct to where they should be, and my wife and will be packing our bags.

[bob2007]

All to pro comments I see here seem to assume that the care will be as good or better. In my opinion, you are wrong. The one thing I think most of us here agree on is that you can follow the money. I go to a doctor who takes no insurance (we submit it ourselves). But the care is excellent, much better than Scripps or Sharp, where I used to go. No waits, excellent service.

In reading many of these posts I hear a lot of whining about payment, which can only mean many here think the government should give them a free ride. Thats sad. If you have this opinion you are pretty sure you won’t achieve enough to cover yourself. It also means those of us who do have to pay for you. Why do I have to pay for you? You made your own decisions that have taken you to where you are in life. Maybe you didn’t create the illness (maybe you did), but you did make choices that affect how much you make. Health care is not a right. When it starts to degrade who will you complain to then?

Finally, it gives many people one (major) less reason to work and contribute to society. Yes, “everyone must buy health insurance, or else”. But if you have no money, what are they going to do?

This bill is further reducing the motivation to create things of value in this country. As we continue our economic decline as a country there will eventually not be enough revenue to tax.

[bob2007]

All to pro comments I see here seem to assume that the care will be as good or better. In my opinion, you are wrong. The one thing I think most of us here agree on is that you can follow the money. I go to a doctor who takes no insurance (we submit it ourselves). But the care is excellent, much better than Scripps or Sharp, where I used to go. No waits, excellent service.

In reading many of these posts I hear a lot of whining about payment, which can only mean many here think the government should give them a free ride. Thats sad. If you have this opinion you are pretty sure you won’t achieve enough to cover yourself. It also means those of us who do have to pay for you. Why do I have to pay for you? You made your own decisions that have taken you to where you are in life. Maybe you didn’t create the illness (maybe you did), but you did make choices that affect how much you make. Health care is not a right. When it starts to degrade who will you complain to then?

Finally, it gives many people one (major) less reason to work and contribute to society. Yes, “everyone must buy health insurance, or else”. But if you have no money, what are they going to do?

This bill is further reducing the motivation to create things of value in this country. As we continue our economic decline as a country there will eventually not be enough revenue to tax.

[bob2007]

All to pro comments I see here seem to assume that the care will be as good or better. In my opinion, you are wrong. The one thing I think most of us here agree on is that you can follow the money. I go to a doctor who takes no insurance (we submit it ourselves). But the care is excellent, much better than Scripps or Sharp, where I used to go. No waits, excellent service.

In reading many of these posts I hear a lot of whining about payment, which can only mean many here think the government should give them a free ride. Thats sad. If you have this opinion you are pretty sure you won’t achieve enough to cover yourself. It also means those of us who do have to pay for you. Why do I have to pay for you? You made your own decisions that have taken you to where you are in life. Maybe you didn’t create the illness (maybe you did), but you did make choices that affect how much you make. Health care is not a right. When it starts to degrade who will you complain to then?

Finally, it gives many people one (major) less reason to work and contribute to society. Yes, “everyone must buy health insurance, or else”. But if you have no money, what are they going to do?

This bill is further reducing the motivation to create things of value in this country. As we continue our economic decline as a country there will eventually not be enough revenue to tax.

[bob2007]

All to pro comments I see here seem to assume that the care will be as good or better. In my opinion, you are wrong. The one thing I think most of us here agree on is that you can follow the money. I go to a doctor who takes no insurance (we submit it ourselves). But the care is excellent, much better than Scripps or Sharp, where I used to go. No waits, excellent service.

In reading many of these posts I hear a lot of whining about payment, which can only mean many here think the government should give them a free ride. Thats sad. If you have this opinion you are pretty sure you won’t achieve enough to cover yourself. It also means those of us who do have to pay for you. Why do I have to pay for you? You made your own decisions that have taken you to where you are in life. Maybe you didn’t create the illness (maybe you did), but you did make choices that affect how much you make. Health care is not a right. When it starts to degrade who will you complain to then?

Finally, it gives many people one (major) less reason to work and contribute to society. Yes, “everyone must buy health insurance, or else”. But if you have no money, what are they going to do?

This bill is further reducing the motivation to create things of value in this country. As we continue our economic decline as a country there will eventually not be enough revenue to tax.

[bob2007]

All to pro comments I see here seem to assume that the care will be as good or better. In my opinion, you are wrong. The one thing I think most of us here agree on is that you can follow the money. I go to a doctor who takes no insurance (we submit it ourselves). But the care is excellent, much better than Scripps or Sharp, where I used to go. No waits, excellent service.

In reading many of these posts I hear a lot of whining about payment, which can only mean many here think the government should give them a free ride. Thats sad. If you have this opinion you are pretty sure you won’t achieve enough to cover yourself. It also means those of us who do have to pay for you. Why do I have to pay for you? You made your own decisions that have taken you to where you are in life. Maybe you didn’t create the illness (maybe you did), but you did make choices that affect how much you make. Health care is not a right. When it starts to degrade who will you complain to then?

Finally, it gives many people one (major) less reason to work and contribute to society. Yes, “everyone must buy health insurance, or else”. But if you have no money, what are they going to do?

This bill is further reducing the motivation to create things of value in this country. As we continue our economic decline as a country there will eventually not be enough revenue to tax.

[equalizer]

[quote=UCGal][quote=flu]What about mal-practice lawsuits and mal-practice insurance. It’s pretty expensive. Are there finally caps on this?[/quote]

California has had caps on medical malpractice since 1975. You can sue for unlimited MEDICAL costs if there is malpractice, but the non-medical costs (pain and suffering, etc) is capped. And that cap has not risen since it was first put in place.

The biggest issues I have with the bill is that it didn’t eliminate the anti-trust exemption and it didn’t allow for reimportation of pharmaceuticals. Those would have created real reform.[/quote]
It doesn’t matter how many times we quote the CA malpractice statute, no one ever believes it because they have been conditioned to scapegoat easy target – laywers. Some of the reasons for high costs in CA are due to high salaries, high expenses, earthquake retrofit mandate for all older hospitals, and the illegals who don’t pay.

[equalizer]

[quote=UCGal][quote=flu]What about mal-practice lawsuits and mal-practice insurance. It’s pretty expensive. Are there finally caps on this?[/quote]

California has had caps on medical malpractice since 1975. You can sue for unlimited MEDICAL costs if there is malpractice, but the non-medical costs (pain and suffering, etc) is capped. And that cap has not risen since it was first put in place.

The biggest issues I have with the bill is that it didn’t eliminate the anti-trust exemption and it didn’t allow for reimportation of pharmaceuticals. Those would have created real reform.[/quote]
It doesn’t matter how many times we quote the CA malpractice statute, no one ever believes it because they have been conditioned to scapegoat easy target – laywers. Some of the reasons for high costs in CA are due to high salaries, high expenses, earthquake retrofit mandate for all older hospitals, and the illegals who don’t pay.

[equalizer]

[quote=UCGal][quote=flu]What about mal-practice lawsuits and mal-practice insurance. It’s pretty expensive. Are there finally caps on this?[/quote]

California has had caps on medical malpractice since 1975. You can sue for unlimited MEDICAL costs if there is malpractice, but the non-medical costs (pain and suffering, etc) is capped. And that cap has not risen since it was first put in place.

The biggest issues I have with the bill is that it didn’t eliminate the anti-trust exemption and it didn’t allow for reimportation of pharmaceuticals. Those would have created real reform.[/quote]
It doesn’t matter how many times we quote the CA malpractice statute, no one ever believes it because they have been conditioned to scapegoat easy target – laywers. Some of the reasons for high costs in CA are due to high salaries, high expenses, earthquake retrofit mandate for all older hospitals, and the illegals who don’t pay.

[equalizer]

[quote=UCGal][quote=flu]What about mal-practice lawsuits and mal-practice insurance. It’s pretty expensive. Are there finally caps on this?[/quote]

California has had caps on medical malpractice since 1975. You can sue for unlimited MEDICAL costs if there is malpractice, but the non-medical costs (pain and suffering, etc) is capped. And that cap has not risen since it was first put in place.

The biggest issues I have with the bill is that it didn’t eliminate the anti-trust exemption and it didn’t allow for reimportation of pharmaceuticals. Those would have created real reform.[/quote]
It doesn’t matter how many times we quote the CA malpractice statute, no one ever believes it because they have been conditioned to scapegoat easy target – laywers. Some of the reasons for high costs in CA are due to high salaries, high expenses, earthquake retrofit mandate for all older hospitals, and the illegals who don’t pay.

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