Thoughts on the passage of the health care bill?

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[quote=air_ogi]http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/poll-americas-opinion-of-health-care-reform-is.php

43% oppose it for being too liberal
39% favor it
13% oppose it for not being liberal enough
3% oppose it for some indeterminate reasons

so 52% of Americans went this reform or more liberal.[/quote]

That is one way of looking at it. But with a 2% majority and a 3% margin of error, those are pretty close olds. Lets see what the other questions in that poll said for a deeper understanding of the mood of the majority.
(questions paraphrased)

Do you think the amount you pay for health care will go up or down?
62% up
16% down
21% same.

Do you think your family will be better off, or worse off?
19% better off
47% worse off
33% the same

Do you think medicare reciepients will be better off or worse off?
Better 20%
Worse 45%
Same 34%

Do you think the Federal deficit will go up or down?

Up 70%
Down 12%
same 17%

So people feel this will worsen the deficit, not really help them, and cost them more for healthcare. That is not a ringing endorsement of your stance that the majority of Ameriacans really want this.
(rather I propose that alot of them ‘want’ it same as a majority want a BMW, but dont want to make the sacrifices to afford it.)

[briansd1]

I actually think that the comments by ocrenter in a previous thread were the best.

Health care is a national priority so we need a single payer system such as in Taiwan. We should focus on health, not profit for the industry.

American businesses have the burden of providing health insurance which none of our competitors in other countries do.

If we want a competitive, prosperous and sustainable society, we would have a single payer system.

If this bill moves us closer to a single payer system (perhaps decades from now), then it would be a major accomplishment.

[briansd1]

I actually think that the comments by ocrenter in a previous thread were the best.

Health care is a national priority so we need a single payer system such as in Taiwan. We should focus on health, not profit for the industry.

American businesses have the burden of providing health insurance which none of our competitors in other countries do.

If we want a competitive, prosperous and sustainable society, we would have a single payer system.

If this bill moves us closer to a single payer system (perhaps decades from now), then it would be a major accomplishment.

[briansd1]

I actually think that the comments by ocrenter in a previous thread were the best.

Health care is a national priority so we need a single payer system such as in Taiwan. We should focus on health, not profit for the industry.

American businesses have the burden of providing health insurance which none of our competitors in other countries do.

If we want a competitive, prosperous and sustainable society, we would have a single payer system.

If this bill moves us closer to a single payer system (perhaps decades from now), then it would be a major accomplishment.

[briansd1]

I actually think that the comments by ocrenter in a previous thread were the best.

Health care is a national priority so we need a single payer system such as in Taiwan. We should focus on health, not profit for the industry.

American businesses have the burden of providing health insurance which none of our competitors in other countries do.

If we want a competitive, prosperous and sustainable society, we would have a single payer system.

If this bill moves us closer to a single payer system (perhaps decades from now), then it would be a major accomplishment.

[briansd1]

I actually think that the comments by ocrenter in a previous thread were the best.

Health care is a national priority so we need a single payer system such as in Taiwan. We should focus on health, not profit for the industry.

American businesses have the burden of providing health insurance which none of our competitors in other countries do.

If we want a competitive, prosperous and sustainable society, we would have a single payer system.

If this bill moves us closer to a single payer system (perhaps decades from now), then it would be a major accomplishment.

[mlarsen23]

I think your post just proves that the majority of Americans support health care reform.

As far as the first question in your post goes, I don’t know how the question was actually phrased, but the fact is that on average most people’s health care costs will go up with or without health care reform. Health care reform should eventually reduce the rate of cost inflation, but no one has ever said it will make costs go down. So I don’t think the answers to this question mean much of anything.

Meanwhile, a majority (52%) think their family will be the same or better off, and a majority (54%) think medicare recipients will be the same or better off. It pretty much tracks the percentage of Americans that want this plan or a more radical one.

As far as the deficit goes, everyone knows it is going up, health care reform or not, so I’m not sure what that question proves.

[mlarsen23]

I think your post just proves that the majority of Americans support health care reform.

As far as the first question in your post goes, I don’t know how the question was actually phrased, but the fact is that on average most people’s health care costs will go up with or without health care reform. Health care reform should eventually reduce the rate of cost inflation, but no one has ever said it will make costs go down. So I don’t think the answers to this question mean much of anything.

Meanwhile, a majority (52%) think their family will be the same or better off, and a majority (54%) think medicare recipients will be the same or better off. It pretty much tracks the percentage of Americans that want this plan or a more radical one.

As far as the deficit goes, everyone knows it is going up, health care reform or not, so I’m not sure what that question proves.

[mlarsen23]

I think your post just proves that the majority of Americans support health care reform.

As far as the first question in your post goes, I don’t know how the question was actually phrased, but the fact is that on average most people’s health care costs will go up with or without health care reform. Health care reform should eventually reduce the rate of cost inflation, but no one has ever said it will make costs go down. So I don’t think the answers to this question mean much of anything.

Meanwhile, a majority (52%) think their family will be the same or better off, and a majority (54%) think medicare recipients will be the same or better off. It pretty much tracks the percentage of Americans that want this plan or a more radical one.

As far as the deficit goes, everyone knows it is going up, health care reform or not, so I’m not sure what that question proves.

[mlarsen23]

I think your post just proves that the majority of Americans support health care reform.

As far as the first question in your post goes, I don’t know how the question was actually phrased, but the fact is that on average most people’s health care costs will go up with or without health care reform. Health care reform should eventually reduce the rate of cost inflation, but no one has ever said it will make costs go down. So I don’t think the answers to this question mean much of anything.

Meanwhile, a majority (52%) think their family will be the same or better off, and a majority (54%) think medicare recipients will be the same or better off. It pretty much tracks the percentage of Americans that want this plan or a more radical one.

As far as the deficit goes, everyone knows it is going up, health care reform or not, so I’m not sure what that question proves.

[mlarsen23]

I think your post just proves that the majority of Americans support health care reform.

As far as the first question in your post goes, I don’t know how the question was actually phrased, but the fact is that on average most people’s health care costs will go up with or without health care reform. Health care reform should eventually reduce the rate of cost inflation, but no one has ever said it will make costs go down. So I don’t think the answers to this question mean much of anything.

Meanwhile, a majority (52%) think their family will be the same or better off, and a majority (54%) think medicare recipients will be the same or better off. It pretty much tracks the percentage of Americans that want this plan or a more radical one.

As far as the deficit goes, everyone knows it is going up, health care reform or not, so I’m not sure what that question proves.

[air_ogi]

The funniest part of all of this, is that passed legislation is very similar to the Republican 1993 counter proposal.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Graphics/2010/022310-Bill-comparison.aspx

So I guess Rush is right. The country is definitely moving to the right.

[air_ogi]

The funniest part of all of this, is that passed legislation is very similar to the Republican 1993 counter proposal.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Graphics/2010/022310-Bill-comparison.aspx

So I guess Rush is right. The country is definitely moving to the right.

[air_ogi]

The funniest part of all of this, is that passed legislation is very similar to the Republican 1993 counter proposal.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Graphics/2010/022310-Bill-comparison.aspx

So I guess Rush is right. The country is definitely moving to the right.

[air_ogi]

The funniest part of all of this, is that passed legislation is very similar to the Republican 1993 counter proposal.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Graphics/2010/022310-Bill-comparison.aspx

So I guess Rush is right. The country is definitely moving to the right.

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