Thoughts on the passage of the health care bill?

[dbapig]

I read this piece while back:

http://www.historynet.com/whats-wrong-with-american-healthcare.htm

“In 1915 and 1916, bills were introduced into Congress that would have produced a structure similar to those in place today throughout Western Europe. Initially the AMA—the American Medical Association—was all for it. After all, doctors had been accustomed to collecting only 50 percent of their bills, so 100 percent looked like a good deal.”

That’s right, at the beginning of 1900’s, US doctors used to be able to collect only about half of their bills.

[mlarsen23]

You need to become familiar with the fact that while many polls showed a slight majority of people opposing the health care bill, about 20% of those people opposed the bill from the LEFT – believing that it did not do _enough_ to socialize health care.

In other words, the majority of Americans with an opinion support the health care reform in this bill _or a more radical version of health care reform_.

National health care is extremely popular in every country that has it, and has never been repealed in any country. In no other country has the major conservative party even ever _tried_ to move from a national health care system to a private system – because they all support national health care! In time, this bill will be improved and we will someday join the rest of the developed world in enjoying high quality health care that is 1/2 to 3/4 as expensive (as a % of GDP) compared to now.

[mlarsen23]

You need to become familiar with the fact that while many polls showed a slight majority of people opposing the health care bill, about 20% of those people opposed the bill from the LEFT – believing that it did not do _enough_ to socialize health care.

In other words, the majority of Americans with an opinion support the health care reform in this bill _or a more radical version of health care reform_.

National health care is extremely popular in every country that has it, and has never been repealed in any country. In no other country has the major conservative party even ever _tried_ to move from a national health care system to a private system – because they all support national health care! In time, this bill will be improved and we will someday join the rest of the developed world in enjoying high quality health care that is 1/2 to 3/4 as expensive (as a % of GDP) compared to now.

[mlarsen23]

You need to become familiar with the fact that while many polls showed a slight majority of people opposing the health care bill, about 20% of those people opposed the bill from the LEFT – believing that it did not do _enough_ to socialize health care.

In other words, the majority of Americans with an opinion support the health care reform in this bill _or a more radical version of health care reform_.

National health care is extremely popular in every country that has it, and has never been repealed in any country. In no other country has the major conservative party even ever _tried_ to move from a national health care system to a private system – because they all support national health care! In time, this bill will be improved and we will someday join the rest of the developed world in enjoying high quality health care that is 1/2 to 3/4 as expensive (as a % of GDP) compared to now.

[mlarsen23]

You need to become familiar with the fact that while many polls showed a slight majority of people opposing the health care bill, about 20% of those people opposed the bill from the LEFT – believing that it did not do _enough_ to socialize health care.

In other words, the majority of Americans with an opinion support the health care reform in this bill _or a more radical version of health care reform_.

National health care is extremely popular in every country that has it, and has never been repealed in any country. In no other country has the major conservative party even ever _tried_ to move from a national health care system to a private system – because they all support national health care! In time, this bill will be improved and we will someday join the rest of the developed world in enjoying high quality health care that is 1/2 to 3/4 as expensive (as a % of GDP) compared to now.

[mlarsen23]

You need to become familiar with the fact that while many polls showed a slight majority of people opposing the health care bill, about 20% of those people opposed the bill from the LEFT – believing that it did not do _enough_ to socialize health care.

In other words, the majority of Americans with an opinion support the health care reform in this bill _or a more radical version of health care reform_.

National health care is extremely popular in every country that has it, and has never been repealed in any country. In no other country has the major conservative party even ever _tried_ to move from a national health care system to a private system – because they all support national health care! In time, this bill will be improved and we will someday join the rest of the developed world in enjoying high quality health care that is 1/2 to 3/4 as expensive (as a % of GDP) compared to now.

[ucodegen]

The biggest issues I have with the bill is that it didn’t eliminate the anti-trust exemption and it didn’t allow for reimportation of pharmaceuticals. Those would have created real reform.

For me, this is not the biggest issue, but it does show that this bill was not really about reform. It didn’t do much to address the sources of costs.

With pharmaceuticals; I would put it as either the re-importation of pharmaceuticals or ‘price leveling’ using an open market. No sector price differentiation (one price for one location and a completely different price for a different location).

In other words, the majority of Americans with an opinion support the health care reform in this bill _or a more radical version of health care reform_.

Your conclusion is not supported by evidence at hand. BTW, which poll was this, and where was it located. How was the question worded. You can easily ‘load’ the statement by saying: Do you believe in the need for health care reform. The question is; what form should it really take.

[ucodegen]

The biggest issues I have with the bill is that it didn’t eliminate the anti-trust exemption and it didn’t allow for reimportation of pharmaceuticals. Those would have created real reform.

For me, this is not the biggest issue, but it does show that this bill was not really about reform. It didn’t do much to address the sources of costs.

With pharmaceuticals; I would put it as either the re-importation of pharmaceuticals or ‘price leveling’ using an open market. No sector price differentiation (one price for one location and a completely different price for a different location).

In other words, the majority of Americans with an opinion support the health care reform in this bill _or a more radical version of health care reform_.

Your conclusion is not supported by evidence at hand. BTW, which poll was this, and where was it located. How was the question worded. You can easily ‘load’ the statement by saying: Do you believe in the need for health care reform. The question is; what form should it really take.

[ucodegen]

The biggest issues I have with the bill is that it didn’t eliminate the anti-trust exemption and it didn’t allow for reimportation of pharmaceuticals. Those would have created real reform.

For me, this is not the biggest issue, but it does show that this bill was not really about reform. It didn’t do much to address the sources of costs.

With pharmaceuticals; I would put it as either the re-importation of pharmaceuticals or ‘price leveling’ using an open market. No sector price differentiation (one price for one location and a completely different price for a different location).

In other words, the majority of Americans with an opinion support the health care reform in this bill _or a more radical version of health care reform_.

Your conclusion is not supported by evidence at hand. BTW, which poll was this, and where was it located. How was the question worded. You can easily ‘load’ the statement by saying: Do you believe in the need for health care reform. The question is; what form should it really take.

[ucodegen]

The biggest issues I have with the bill is that it didn’t eliminate the anti-trust exemption and it didn’t allow for reimportation of pharmaceuticals. Those would have created real reform.

For me, this is not the biggest issue, but it does show that this bill was not really about reform. It didn’t do much to address the sources of costs.

With pharmaceuticals; I would put it as either the re-importation of pharmaceuticals or ‘price leveling’ using an open market. No sector price differentiation (one price for one location and a completely different price for a different location).

In other words, the majority of Americans with an opinion support the health care reform in this bill _or a more radical version of health care reform_.

Your conclusion is not supported by evidence at hand. BTW, which poll was this, and where was it located. How was the question worded. You can easily ‘load’ the statement by saying: Do you believe in the need for health care reform. The question is; what form should it really take.

[ucodegen]

The biggest issues I have with the bill is that it didn’t eliminate the anti-trust exemption and it didn’t allow for reimportation of pharmaceuticals. Those would have created real reform.

For me, this is not the biggest issue, but it does show that this bill was not really about reform. It didn’t do much to address the sources of costs.

With pharmaceuticals; I would put it as either the re-importation of pharmaceuticals or ‘price leveling’ using an open market. No sector price differentiation (one price for one location and a completely different price for a different location).

In other words, the majority of Americans with an opinion support the health care reform in this bill _or a more radical version of health care reform_.

Your conclusion is not supported by evidence at hand. BTW, which poll was this, and where was it located. How was the question worded. You can easily ‘load’ the statement by saying: Do you believe in the need for health care reform. The question is; what form should it really take.

[air_ogi]

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/poll-americas-opinion-of-health-care-reform-is.php

43% oppose it for being too liberal
39% favor it
13% oppose it for not being liberal enough
3% oppose it for some indeterminate reasons

so 52% of Americans went this reform or more liberal.

[air_ogi]

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/poll-americas-opinion-of-health-care-reform-is.php

43% oppose it for being too liberal
39% favor it
13% oppose it for not being liberal enough
3% oppose it for some indeterminate reasons

so 52% of Americans went this reform or more liberal.

[air_ogi]

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/poll-americas-opinion-of-health-care-reform-is.php

43% oppose it for being too liberal
39% favor it
13% oppose it for not being liberal enough
3% oppose it for some indeterminate reasons

so 52% of Americans went this reform or more liberal.

[air_ogi]

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/poll-americas-opinion-of-health-care-reform-is.php

43% oppose it for being too liberal
39% favor it
13% oppose it for not being liberal enough
3% oppose it for some indeterminate reasons

so 52% of Americans went this reform or more liberal.

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