Thoughts on the passage of the health care bill?

[Coronita]

[quote=Hobie]

Docs… who said you will be seeing a doctor. My bet is you will have to see physician assistants, nurse practitioner, maybe an RN and maybe just maybe you will obtain a referral to a real doc.
[/quote]

That sounds like my previous PCP…I never got to see the doc, just an RN…Misdiagnosed my health issue, several times…Glad I didn’t die of it. 🙁

[ucodegen]

However, while this rule applies to U.S. citizens and I guess folks with P.R., what does this do with folks that are not here legally? Obviously they aren’t part of this plan. Do hospitals continue to provide non-legal residence free medical care?

Last I heard, this bill actually bans illegals from buying insurance under the new structure/insurance exchange. If the bill was really about reducing costs, it would allow them to at least pay for some of their costs. What it really is about, is a gimmie to the insurance companies. The claimed costs of the uninsured on the system is not as dramatic as claimed. Remember that an unpaid hospital bill will follow you until it gets paid or you go through bankruptcy. As I have mentioned earlier, either way you look at it, the bill has to be paid; either directly by you, by insurance or taxes. All that happened with this bill, is that the individual has less choice as to whom the money is paid and for what.

[ucodegen]

However, while this rule applies to U.S. citizens and I guess folks with P.R., what does this do with folks that are not here legally? Obviously they aren’t part of this plan. Do hospitals continue to provide non-legal residence free medical care?

Last I heard, this bill actually bans illegals from buying insurance under the new structure/insurance exchange. If the bill was really about reducing costs, it would allow them to at least pay for some of their costs. What it really is about, is a gimmie to the insurance companies. The claimed costs of the uninsured on the system is not as dramatic as claimed. Remember that an unpaid hospital bill will follow you until it gets paid or you go through bankruptcy. As I have mentioned earlier, either way you look at it, the bill has to be paid; either directly by you, by insurance or taxes. All that happened with this bill, is that the individual has less choice as to whom the money is paid and for what.

[ucodegen]

However, while this rule applies to U.S. citizens and I guess folks with P.R., what does this do with folks that are not here legally? Obviously they aren’t part of this plan. Do hospitals continue to provide non-legal residence free medical care?

Last I heard, this bill actually bans illegals from buying insurance under the new structure/insurance exchange. If the bill was really about reducing costs, it would allow them to at least pay for some of their costs. What it really is about, is a gimmie to the insurance companies. The claimed costs of the uninsured on the system is not as dramatic as claimed. Remember that an unpaid hospital bill will follow you until it gets paid or you go through bankruptcy. As I have mentioned earlier, either way you look at it, the bill has to be paid; either directly by you, by insurance or taxes. All that happened with this bill, is that the individual has less choice as to whom the money is paid and for what.

[ucodegen]

However, while this rule applies to U.S. citizens and I guess folks with P.R., what does this do with folks that are not here legally? Obviously they aren’t part of this plan. Do hospitals continue to provide non-legal residence free medical care?

Last I heard, this bill actually bans illegals from buying insurance under the new structure/insurance exchange. If the bill was really about reducing costs, it would allow them to at least pay for some of their costs. What it really is about, is a gimmie to the insurance companies. The claimed costs of the uninsured on the system is not as dramatic as claimed. Remember that an unpaid hospital bill will follow you until it gets paid or you go through bankruptcy. As I have mentioned earlier, either way you look at it, the bill has to be paid; either directly by you, by insurance or taxes. All that happened with this bill, is that the individual has less choice as to whom the money is paid and for what.

[ucodegen]

However, while this rule applies to U.S. citizens and I guess folks with P.R., what does this do with folks that are not here legally? Obviously they aren’t part of this plan. Do hospitals continue to provide non-legal residence free medical care?

Last I heard, this bill actually bans illegals from buying insurance under the new structure/insurance exchange. If the bill was really about reducing costs, it would allow them to at least pay for some of their costs. What it really is about, is a gimmie to the insurance companies. The claimed costs of the uninsured on the system is not as dramatic as claimed. Remember that an unpaid hospital bill will follow you until it gets paid or you go through bankruptcy. As I have mentioned earlier, either way you look at it, the bill has to be paid; either directly by you, by insurance or taxes. All that happened with this bill, is that the individual has less choice as to whom the money is paid and for what.

[UCGal]

[quote=flu]What about mal-practice lawsuits and mal-practice insurance. It’s pretty expensive. Are there finally caps on this?[/quote]

California has had caps on medical malpractice since 1975. You can sue for unlimited MEDICAL costs if there is malpractice, but the non-medical costs (pain and suffering, etc) is capped. And that cap has not risen since it was first put in place.

The biggest issues I have with the bill is that it didn’t eliminate the anti-trust exemption and it didn’t allow for reimportation of pharmaceuticals. Those would have created real reform.

[UCGal]

[quote=flu]What about mal-practice lawsuits and mal-practice insurance. It’s pretty expensive. Are there finally caps on this?[/quote]

California has had caps on medical malpractice since 1975. You can sue for unlimited MEDICAL costs if there is malpractice, but the non-medical costs (pain and suffering, etc) is capped. And that cap has not risen since it was first put in place.

The biggest issues I have with the bill is that it didn’t eliminate the anti-trust exemption and it didn’t allow for reimportation of pharmaceuticals. Those would have created real reform.

[UCGal]

[quote=flu]What about mal-practice lawsuits and mal-practice insurance. It’s pretty expensive. Are there finally caps on this?[/quote]

California has had caps on medical malpractice since 1975. You can sue for unlimited MEDICAL costs if there is malpractice, but the non-medical costs (pain and suffering, etc) is capped. And that cap has not risen since it was first put in place.

The biggest issues I have with the bill is that it didn’t eliminate the anti-trust exemption and it didn’t allow for reimportation of pharmaceuticals. Those would have created real reform.

[UCGal]

[quote=flu]What about mal-practice lawsuits and mal-practice insurance. It’s pretty expensive. Are there finally caps on this?[/quote]

California has had caps on medical malpractice since 1975. You can sue for unlimited MEDICAL costs if there is malpractice, but the non-medical costs (pain and suffering, etc) is capped. And that cap has not risen since it was first put in place.

The biggest issues I have with the bill is that it didn’t eliminate the anti-trust exemption and it didn’t allow for reimportation of pharmaceuticals. Those would have created real reform.

[UCGal]

[quote=flu]What about mal-practice lawsuits and mal-practice insurance. It’s pretty expensive. Are there finally caps on this?[/quote]

California has had caps on medical malpractice since 1975. You can sue for unlimited MEDICAL costs if there is malpractice, but the non-medical costs (pain and suffering, etc) is capped. And that cap has not risen since it was first put in place.

The biggest issues I have with the bill is that it didn’t eliminate the anti-trust exemption and it didn’t allow for reimportation of pharmaceuticals. Those would have created real reform.

[dbapig]

I read this piece while back:

http://www.historynet.com/whats-wrong-with-american-healthcare.htm

“In 1915 and 1916, bills were introduced into Congress that would have produced a structure similar to those in place today throughout Western Europe. Initially the AMA—the American Medical Association—was all for it. After all, doctors had been accustomed to collecting only 50 percent of their bills, so 100 percent looked like a good deal.”

That’s right, at the beginning of 1900’s, US doctors used to be able to collect only about half of their bills.

[dbapig]

I read this piece while back:

http://www.historynet.com/whats-wrong-with-american-healthcare.htm

“In 1915 and 1916, bills were introduced into Congress that would have produced a structure similar to those in place today throughout Western Europe. Initially the AMA—the American Medical Association—was all for it. After all, doctors had been accustomed to collecting only 50 percent of their bills, so 100 percent looked like a good deal.”

That’s right, at the beginning of 1900’s, US doctors used to be able to collect only about half of their bills.

[dbapig]

I read this piece while back:

http://www.historynet.com/whats-wrong-with-american-healthcare.htm

“In 1915 and 1916, bills were introduced into Congress that would have produced a structure similar to those in place today throughout Western Europe. Initially the AMA—the American Medical Association—was all for it. After all, doctors had been accustomed to collecting only 50 percent of their bills, so 100 percent looked like a good deal.”

That’s right, at the beginning of 1900’s, US doctors used to be able to collect only about half of their bills.

[dbapig]

I read this piece while back:

http://www.historynet.com/whats-wrong-with-american-healthcare.htm

“In 1915 and 1916, bills were introduced into Congress that would have produced a structure similar to those in place today throughout Western Europe. Initially the AMA—the American Medical Association—was all for it. After all, doctors had been accustomed to collecting only 50 percent of their bills, so 100 percent looked like a good deal.”

That’s right, at the beginning of 1900’s, US doctors used to be able to collect only about half of their bills.

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