The new smart financial move is walking away

[an]

[quote=briansd1]
If you look at this in a rational way, the payback (pleasure, security, companionship etc.. ) from having kids outweigh the drawbacks of not having kids. That’s why you choose to have kids otherwise, you wouldn’t.

You buy a car for $30,000 because you believe that the utility is worth that or more. Otherwise, you would not buy that car.

I’m not saying that every individual makes that payback calculation when it comes to procreation. But as an aggregate, we know (probably because our parents told us) that the payback from having children is greater than not having kids.[/quote]
When you raise a child, you hope that the payback is greater than the sacrifices you’ve made for them. But it’s definitely not a guarantee. There’s plenty of old people that got put in nursing home because their kids don’t want to take care of them. There are plenty of broken relationships between kids and parents for one reason or another. There are plenty of children who are not close to their parents, so there’s very little companionship.

[quote=briansd1] I believe that, if anything, it’s more selfless not to have children.[/quote]
How did you come up with this conclusion?

[briansd1]

[quote=AN]

[quote=briansd1] I believe that, if anything, it’s more selfless not to have children.[/quote]
How did you come up with this conclusion?[/quote]

If we were rational, when you made that decision to have a child, you expected the payback to be greater than the sacrifices.

Same goes with a car. When you bought that $30,000 you expected the NPV of the utility of the car be $30,000 or greater, at the time purchase. Of course, there is no guarantee. You may buy a lemon… and if you bought a lemon, you’ll likely want reparation from the seller.

But when you have kids, you can’t sue anyone if, in restropect, it was an economically unfavorable deal.

[briansd1]

[quote=AN]

[quote=briansd1] I believe that, if anything, it’s more selfless not to have children.[/quote]
How did you come up with this conclusion?[/quote]

If we were rational, when you made that decision to have a child, you expected the payback to be greater than the sacrifices.

Same goes with a car. When you bought that $30,000 you expected the NPV of the utility of the car be $30,000 or greater, at the time purchase. Of course, there is no guarantee. You may buy a lemon… and if you bought a lemon, you’ll likely want reparation from the seller.

But when you have kids, you can’t sue anyone if, in restropect, it was an economically unfavorable deal.

[briansd1]

[quote=AN]

[quote=briansd1] I believe that, if anything, it’s more selfless not to have children.[/quote]
How did you come up with this conclusion?[/quote]

If we were rational, when you made that decision to have a child, you expected the payback to be greater than the sacrifices.

Same goes with a car. When you bought that $30,000 you expected the NPV of the utility of the car be $30,000 or greater, at the time purchase. Of course, there is no guarantee. You may buy a lemon… and if you bought a lemon, you’ll likely want reparation from the seller.

But when you have kids, you can’t sue anyone if, in restropect, it was an economically unfavorable deal.

[briansd1]

[quote=AN]

[quote=briansd1] I believe that, if anything, it’s more selfless not to have children.[/quote]
How did you come up with this conclusion?[/quote]

If we were rational, when you made that decision to have a child, you expected the payback to be greater than the sacrifices.

Same goes with a car. When you bought that $30,000 you expected the NPV of the utility of the car be $30,000 or greater, at the time purchase. Of course, there is no guarantee. You may buy a lemon… and if you bought a lemon, you’ll likely want reparation from the seller.

But when you have kids, you can’t sue anyone if, in restropect, it was an economically unfavorable deal.

[briansd1]

[quote=AN]

[quote=briansd1] I believe that, if anything, it’s more selfless not to have children.[/quote]
How did you come up with this conclusion?[/quote]

If we were rational, when you made that decision to have a child, you expected the payback to be greater than the sacrifices.

Same goes with a car. When you bought that $30,000 you expected the NPV of the utility of the car be $30,000 or greater, at the time purchase. Of course, there is no guarantee. You may buy a lemon… and if you bought a lemon, you’ll likely want reparation from the seller.

But when you have kids, you can’t sue anyone if, in restropect, it was an economically unfavorable deal.

[CA renter]

[quote=briansd1]
If we were rational, when you made that decision to have a child, you expected the payback to be greater than the sacrifices.

Same goes with a car. When you bought that $30,000 you expected the NPV of the utility of the car be $30,000 or greater, at the time purchase. Of course, there is no guarantee. You may buy a lemon… and if you bought a lemon, you’ll likely want reparation from the seller.

But when you have kids, you can’t sue anyone if, in restropect, it was an economically unfavorable deal.[/quote]

I’m about as rational and pragmatic as a person can be (especially for a female), and never once thought about the “payback” for having children. It certainly never occurred to me that there might be any kind of financial payback. Maybe emotional? Perhaps it was that.

Maybe it’s the biological drive that supercedes reason (again, we’d be long gone now, if people only bred for “rational” reasons), but my guess is that most parents never consider any kind of payback when they decide to have children.

[CA renter]

[quote=briansd1]
If we were rational, when you made that decision to have a child, you expected the payback to be greater than the sacrifices.

Same goes with a car. When you bought that $30,000 you expected the NPV of the utility of the car be $30,000 or greater, at the time purchase. Of course, there is no guarantee. You may buy a lemon… and if you bought a lemon, you’ll likely want reparation from the seller.

But when you have kids, you can’t sue anyone if, in restropect, it was an economically unfavorable deal.[/quote]

I’m about as rational and pragmatic as a person can be (especially for a female), and never once thought about the “payback” for having children. It certainly never occurred to me that there might be any kind of financial payback. Maybe emotional? Perhaps it was that.

Maybe it’s the biological drive that supercedes reason (again, we’d be long gone now, if people only bred for “rational” reasons), but my guess is that most parents never consider any kind of payback when they decide to have children.

[CA renter]

[quote=briansd1]
If we were rational, when you made that decision to have a child, you expected the payback to be greater than the sacrifices.

Same goes with a car. When you bought that $30,000 you expected the NPV of the utility of the car be $30,000 or greater, at the time purchase. Of course, there is no guarantee. You may buy a lemon… and if you bought a lemon, you’ll likely want reparation from the seller.

But when you have kids, you can’t sue anyone if, in restropect, it was an economically unfavorable deal.[/quote]

I’m about as rational and pragmatic as a person can be (especially for a female), and never once thought about the “payback” for having children. It certainly never occurred to me that there might be any kind of financial payback. Maybe emotional? Perhaps it was that.

Maybe it’s the biological drive that supercedes reason (again, we’d be long gone now, if people only bred for “rational” reasons), but my guess is that most parents never consider any kind of payback when they decide to have children.

[CA renter]

[quote=briansd1]
If we were rational, when you made that decision to have a child, you expected the payback to be greater than the sacrifices.

Same goes with a car. When you bought that $30,000 you expected the NPV of the utility of the car be $30,000 or greater, at the time purchase. Of course, there is no guarantee. You may buy a lemon… and if you bought a lemon, you’ll likely want reparation from the seller.

But when you have kids, you can’t sue anyone if, in restropect, it was an economically unfavorable deal.[/quote]

I’m about as rational and pragmatic as a person can be (especially for a female), and never once thought about the “payback” for having children. It certainly never occurred to me that there might be any kind of financial payback. Maybe emotional? Perhaps it was that.

Maybe it’s the biological drive that supercedes reason (again, we’d be long gone now, if people only bred for “rational” reasons), but my guess is that most parents never consider any kind of payback when they decide to have children.

[CA renter]

[quote=briansd1]
If we were rational, when you made that decision to have a child, you expected the payback to be greater than the sacrifices.

Same goes with a car. When you bought that $30,000 you expected the NPV of the utility of the car be $30,000 or greater, at the time purchase. Of course, there is no guarantee. You may buy a lemon… and if you bought a lemon, you’ll likely want reparation from the seller.

But when you have kids, you can’t sue anyone if, in restropect, it was an economically unfavorable deal.[/quote]

I’m about as rational and pragmatic as a person can be (especially for a female), and never once thought about the “payback” for having children. It certainly never occurred to me that there might be any kind of financial payback. Maybe emotional? Perhaps it was that.

Maybe it’s the biological drive that supercedes reason (again, we’d be long gone now, if people only bred for “rational” reasons), but my guess is that most parents never consider any kind of payback when they decide to have children.

[NotCranky]

[quote=CA renter][quote=briansd1]
If we were rational, when you made that decision to have a child, you expected the payback to be greater than the sacrifices.

Same goes with a car. When you bought that $30,000 you expected the NPV of the utility of the car be $30,000 or greater, at the time purchase. Of course, there is no guarantee. You may buy a lemon… and if you bought a lemon, you’ll likely want reparation from the seller.

But when you have kids, you can’t sue anyone if, in restropect, it was an economically unfavorable deal.[/quote]

I’m about as rational and pragmatic as a person can be (especially for a female), and never once thought about the “payback” for having children. It certainly never occurred to me that there might be any kind of financial payback. Maybe emotional? Perhaps it was that.

Maybe it’s the biological drive that supercedes reason (again, we’d be long gone now, if people only bred for “rational” reasons), but my guess is that most parents never consider any kind of payback when they decide to have children.[/quote]

I didn’t envision a payback when we started having children,but I will definitely extract one after changing three kids worth of diapers. Man I hate changing diapers. Vomit is much easier to deal with unless it gets in the carpet.Poop in the carpet is no great thing either. Well to tell the truth, I thought my little Rusticos would be at least as precious and enjoyable as the dogs I have had over the years. Is that selfish?Rude? My dog got kicked to the curb when kids came around. Luckily for the dog, some of the kids are dog people too.

[NotCranky]

[quote=CA renter][quote=briansd1]
If we were rational, when you made that decision to have a child, you expected the payback to be greater than the sacrifices.

Same goes with a car. When you bought that $30,000 you expected the NPV of the utility of the car be $30,000 or greater, at the time purchase. Of course, there is no guarantee. You may buy a lemon… and if you bought a lemon, you’ll likely want reparation from the seller.

But when you have kids, you can’t sue anyone if, in restropect, it was an economically unfavorable deal.[/quote]

I’m about as rational and pragmatic as a person can be (especially for a female), and never once thought about the “payback” for having children. It certainly never occurred to me that there might be any kind of financial payback. Maybe emotional? Perhaps it was that.

Maybe it’s the biological drive that supercedes reason (again, we’d be long gone now, if people only bred for “rational” reasons), but my guess is that most parents never consider any kind of payback when they decide to have children.[/quote]

I didn’t envision a payback when we started having children,but I will definitely extract one after changing three kids worth of diapers. Man I hate changing diapers. Vomit is much easier to deal with unless it gets in the carpet.Poop in the carpet is no great thing either. Well to tell the truth, I thought my little Rusticos would be at least as precious and enjoyable as the dogs I have had over the years. Is that selfish?Rude? My dog got kicked to the curb when kids came around. Luckily for the dog, some of the kids are dog people too.

[NotCranky]

[quote=CA renter][quote=briansd1]
If we were rational, when you made that decision to have a child, you expected the payback to be greater than the sacrifices.

Same goes with a car. When you bought that $30,000 you expected the NPV of the utility of the car be $30,000 or greater, at the time purchase. Of course, there is no guarantee. You may buy a lemon… and if you bought a lemon, you’ll likely want reparation from the seller.

But when you have kids, you can’t sue anyone if, in restropect, it was an economically unfavorable deal.[/quote]

I’m about as rational and pragmatic as a person can be (especially for a female), and never once thought about the “payback” for having children. It certainly never occurred to me that there might be any kind of financial payback. Maybe emotional? Perhaps it was that.

Maybe it’s the biological drive that supercedes reason (again, we’d be long gone now, if people only bred for “rational” reasons), but my guess is that most parents never consider any kind of payback when they decide to have children.[/quote]

I didn’t envision a payback when we started having children,but I will definitely extract one after changing three kids worth of diapers. Man I hate changing diapers. Vomit is much easier to deal with unless it gets in the carpet.Poop in the carpet is no great thing either. Well to tell the truth, I thought my little Rusticos would be at least as precious and enjoyable as the dogs I have had over the years. Is that selfish?Rude? My dog got kicked to the curb when kids came around. Luckily for the dog, some of the kids are dog people too.

[NotCranky]

[quote=CA renter][quote=briansd1]
If we were rational, when you made that decision to have a child, you expected the payback to be greater than the sacrifices.

Same goes with a car. When you bought that $30,000 you expected the NPV of the utility of the car be $30,000 or greater, at the time purchase. Of course, there is no guarantee. You may buy a lemon… and if you bought a lemon, you’ll likely want reparation from the seller.

But when you have kids, you can’t sue anyone if, in restropect, it was an economically unfavorable deal.[/quote]

I’m about as rational and pragmatic as a person can be (especially for a female), and never once thought about the “payback” for having children. It certainly never occurred to me that there might be any kind of financial payback. Maybe emotional? Perhaps it was that.

Maybe it’s the biological drive that supercedes reason (again, we’d be long gone now, if people only bred for “rational” reasons), but my guess is that most parents never consider any kind of payback when they decide to have children.[/quote]

I didn’t envision a payback when we started having children,but I will definitely extract one after changing three kids worth of diapers. Man I hate changing diapers. Vomit is much easier to deal with unless it gets in the carpet.Poop in the carpet is no great thing either. Well to tell the truth, I thought my little Rusticos would be at least as precious and enjoyable as the dogs I have had over the years. Is that selfish?Rude? My dog got kicked to the curb when kids came around. Luckily for the dog, some of the kids are dog people too.

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