The future of Temecula & Murieta ?

[gn]

Since there are many builders in Temecula, could something like this (see below) be in store for Temecula ? Or even parts of San Diego county ?

The foreclosure crisis that has forced thousands of families from their homes has given something good to the nation’s best-known housing charity: Cheap properties for sale in communities around the country.

Some Habitat for Humanity chapters have seized buying opportunities in neighborhoods affected by the mortgage meltdown, snapping up scores of empty lots and unoccupied homes – some for as little as half price…

In the Minneapolis area and elsewhere, the charity that offers affordable housing to low-income families is buying foreclosed homes and using volunteers to renovate them. If that’s not practical, the houses are torn down to make way for new dwellings. In some cities, Habitat is even buying parts of subdivisions that developers couldn’t afford to finish.

Habitat officials don’t see themselves as capitalizing on the misfortune of others. They say putting families into affordable Habitat homes is much better than allowing properties to remain vacant or letting slumlords grab them…

An official with Americus, Ga.-based Habitat for Humanity International said the extent to which local affiliates take advantage of foreclosures depends on how much money they have.

In Fort Worth, for instance, the local chapter is negotiating to buy part of a 160-lot subdivision that a developer left unfinished. Yager said the plan is to purchase 50 of the remaining 100 vacant lots and put single-family homes on them.

Yager declined to say how much he expects to save because his group is still negotiating. But he said the Fort Worth market for such lots has dropped around 30 percent to 40 percent since the height of the real estate boom.

In nearby Dallas, another Habitat affiliate has picked up about 150 lots at a roughly 50 percent discount as developers dump inexpensive lots in the city’s southern neighborhoods to focus on more profitable areas to the north.

The Habitat affiliate in Phoenix had struggled in recent years to find affordable land. But it is closing in on a deal to complete a 20-home development abandoned by a company that went bankrupt. Habitat expects to buy 14 unfinished lots for around half price.

In Milwaukee, the city is buying condo units in one large complex – many of them in foreclosure – and then selling them to Habitat for about $5,000. Habitat volunteers renovate them, and the group sells them to clients for $25,000.

Legislation working its way through Congress might help Habitat and nonprofit housing agencies take even greater advantage of bargains. One bill would send $15 billion to the hardest-hit states for the purchase and improvement of foreclosed property. States could then make those properties available to nonprofits such as Habitat. However, the Bush administration has threatened a veto.

[kewp]

There was an article somewhere I saw that predicted that within the next 10 years the suburbs will become the new ghetto. Poor families living 2-3 to a McMansion and driving used SUV’s to local minimum-wage jobs.

I personally think that is what is going to happen.

I’ve said a few time, that even if you can pick up a house in the IE for ten cents on the dollar, think of who your neighbors are gonna be before you move in!

[kewp]

There was an article somewhere I saw that predicted that within the next 10 years the suburbs will become the new ghetto. Poor families living 2-3 to a McMansion and driving used SUV’s to local minimum-wage jobs.

I personally think that is what is going to happen.

I’ve said a few time, that even if you can pick up a house in the IE for ten cents on the dollar, think of who your neighbors are gonna be before you move in!

[kewp]

There was an article somewhere I saw that predicted that within the next 10 years the suburbs will become the new ghetto. Poor families living 2-3 to a McMansion and driving used SUV’s to local minimum-wage jobs.

I personally think that is what is going to happen.

I’ve said a few time, that even if you can pick up a house in the IE for ten cents on the dollar, think of who your neighbors are gonna be before you move in!

[kewp]

There was an article somewhere I saw that predicted that within the next 10 years the suburbs will become the new ghetto. Poor families living 2-3 to a McMansion and driving used SUV’s to local minimum-wage jobs.

I personally think that is what is going to happen.

I’ve said a few time, that even if you can pick up a house in the IE for ten cents on the dollar, think of who your neighbors are gonna be before you move in!

[kewp]

There was an article somewhere I saw that predicted that within the next 10 years the suburbs will become the new ghetto. Poor families living 2-3 to a McMansion and driving used SUV’s to local minimum-wage jobs.

I personally think that is what is going to happen.

I’ve said a few time, that even if you can pick up a house in the IE for ten cents on the dollar, think of who your neighbors are gonna be before you move in!

[temeculaguy]

kewp, you hate the burbs, we know you are rooting for it to take the ghetto population but it wont. There are places in the I.E. and in S.D. that will be attractive to poor people….the same places that they are already in. Why would they leave their current ghetto, prices and rents will go down or stay the same, there will no longer be redevelopment pushing them out. If you ever really spend time in the ghetto, you can gain an appreciation for what it is that attracts them to a specific area and Temecula/Murrieta has very little to offer them. I have detailed it on another thread, master planned areas purposely design against it, older mixed use areas are ripe for it. If you can’t walk to a liquor store, check cashing place or a minimum wage job, from a cheap place to live it repels them. Most ghetto inhabitants lack consistent vehicle licensing and insurance, walking distance is key. Zoning is the best defense a community can have.

There will always be poor people all over but in order to proliferate and reach the tipping point where they scare off everyone else, it takes the right lack of zoning, not just cheap housing. Those used SUV’s still need a license and insurance, when they cops pull them over they actually lose the car for a month, have to pay a grand to get it back plus insurance and most never get it back. That’s a hell of a tax that drives them into mixed use places where houses are next to stores. Look at the rotton part of any of the larger S.D. burbs (Esco, San Marcos, Vista). The ghetto part is always where you are with a few hundred yards of stores. There are examples within those same cities where rent is the same but a few miles from basic services and they just don’t go to hell because that couple of miles is an eternity to a permanent pedestrian.

Excellent rule of thumb for the future of any development or area, if you can get by without a car, it’s in the “risk” category. Look at the coastal areas, can you get by in Imperial Beach without a car? yeah. Can it be done in Del Mar? not really. More of Oceanside can be pedestrian than La Costa, compare most any two areas and apply the pedestrian principle, it’s better than tarot cards for telling the future. Land use is far more important than price when determining potential decay.

[temeculaguy]

kewp, you hate the burbs, we know you are rooting for it to take the ghetto population but it wont. There are places in the I.E. and in S.D. that will be attractive to poor people….the same places that they are already in. Why would they leave their current ghetto, prices and rents will go down or stay the same, there will no longer be redevelopment pushing them out. If you ever really spend time in the ghetto, you can gain an appreciation for what it is that attracts them to a specific area and Temecula/Murrieta has very little to offer them. I have detailed it on another thread, master planned areas purposely design against it, older mixed use areas are ripe for it. If you can’t walk to a liquor store, check cashing place or a minimum wage job, from a cheap place to live it repels them. Most ghetto inhabitants lack consistent vehicle licensing and insurance, walking distance is key. Zoning is the best defense a community can have.

There will always be poor people all over but in order to proliferate and reach the tipping point where they scare off everyone else, it takes the right lack of zoning, not just cheap housing. Those used SUV’s still need a license and insurance, when they cops pull them over they actually lose the car for a month, have to pay a grand to get it back plus insurance and most never get it back. That’s a hell of a tax that drives them into mixed use places where houses are next to stores. Look at the rotton part of any of the larger S.D. burbs (Esco, San Marcos, Vista). The ghetto part is always where you are with a few hundred yards of stores. There are examples within those same cities where rent is the same but a few miles from basic services and they just don’t go to hell because that couple of miles is an eternity to a permanent pedestrian.

Excellent rule of thumb for the future of any development or area, if you can get by without a car, it’s in the “risk” category. Look at the coastal areas, can you get by in Imperial Beach without a car? yeah. Can it be done in Del Mar? not really. More of Oceanside can be pedestrian than La Costa, compare most any two areas and apply the pedestrian principle, it’s better than tarot cards for telling the future. Land use is far more important than price when determining potential decay.

[temeculaguy]

kewp, you hate the burbs, we know you are rooting for it to take the ghetto population but it wont. There are places in the I.E. and in S.D. that will be attractive to poor people….the same places that they are already in. Why would they leave their current ghetto, prices and rents will go down or stay the same, there will no longer be redevelopment pushing them out. If you ever really spend time in the ghetto, you can gain an appreciation for what it is that attracts them to a specific area and Temecula/Murrieta has very little to offer them. I have detailed it on another thread, master planned areas purposely design against it, older mixed use areas are ripe for it. If you can’t walk to a liquor store, check cashing place or a minimum wage job, from a cheap place to live it repels them. Most ghetto inhabitants lack consistent vehicle licensing and insurance, walking distance is key. Zoning is the best defense a community can have.

There will always be poor people all over but in order to proliferate and reach the tipping point where they scare off everyone else, it takes the right lack of zoning, not just cheap housing. Those used SUV’s still need a license and insurance, when they cops pull them over they actually lose the car for a month, have to pay a grand to get it back plus insurance and most never get it back. That’s a hell of a tax that drives them into mixed use places where houses are next to stores. Look at the rotton part of any of the larger S.D. burbs (Esco, San Marcos, Vista). The ghetto part is always where you are with a few hundred yards of stores. There are examples within those same cities where rent is the same but a few miles from basic services and they just don’t go to hell because that couple of miles is an eternity to a permanent pedestrian.

Excellent rule of thumb for the future of any development or area, if you can get by without a car, it’s in the “risk” category. Look at the coastal areas, can you get by in Imperial Beach without a car? yeah. Can it be done in Del Mar? not really. More of Oceanside can be pedestrian than La Costa, compare most any two areas and apply the pedestrian principle, it’s better than tarot cards for telling the future. Land use is far more important than price when determining potential decay.

[temeculaguy]

kewp, you hate the burbs, we know you are rooting for it to take the ghetto population but it wont. There are places in the I.E. and in S.D. that will be attractive to poor people….the same places that they are already in. Why would they leave their current ghetto, prices and rents will go down or stay the same, there will no longer be redevelopment pushing them out. If you ever really spend time in the ghetto, you can gain an appreciation for what it is that attracts them to a specific area and Temecula/Murrieta has very little to offer them. I have detailed it on another thread, master planned areas purposely design against it, older mixed use areas are ripe for it. If you can’t walk to a liquor store, check cashing place or a minimum wage job, from a cheap place to live it repels them. Most ghetto inhabitants lack consistent vehicle licensing and insurance, walking distance is key. Zoning is the best defense a community can have.

There will always be poor people all over but in order to proliferate and reach the tipping point where they scare off everyone else, it takes the right lack of zoning, not just cheap housing. Those used SUV’s still need a license and insurance, when they cops pull them over they actually lose the car for a month, have to pay a grand to get it back plus insurance and most never get it back. That’s a hell of a tax that drives them into mixed use places where houses are next to stores. Look at the rotton part of any of the larger S.D. burbs (Esco, San Marcos, Vista). The ghetto part is always where you are with a few hundred yards of stores. There are examples within those same cities where rent is the same but a few miles from basic services and they just don’t go to hell because that couple of miles is an eternity to a permanent pedestrian.

Excellent rule of thumb for the future of any development or area, if you can get by without a car, it’s in the “risk” category. Look at the coastal areas, can you get by in Imperial Beach without a car? yeah. Can it be done in Del Mar? not really. More of Oceanside can be pedestrian than La Costa, compare most any two areas and apply the pedestrian principle, it’s better than tarot cards for telling the future. Land use is far more important than price when determining potential decay.

[temeculaguy]

kewp, you hate the burbs, we know you are rooting for it to take the ghetto population but it wont. There are places in the I.E. and in S.D. that will be attractive to poor people….the same places that they are already in. Why would they leave their current ghetto, prices and rents will go down or stay the same, there will no longer be redevelopment pushing them out. If you ever really spend time in the ghetto, you can gain an appreciation for what it is that attracts them to a specific area and Temecula/Murrieta has very little to offer them. I have detailed it on another thread, master planned areas purposely design against it, older mixed use areas are ripe for it. If you can’t walk to a liquor store, check cashing place or a minimum wage job, from a cheap place to live it repels them. Most ghetto inhabitants lack consistent vehicle licensing and insurance, walking distance is key. Zoning is the best defense a community can have.

There will always be poor people all over but in order to proliferate and reach the tipping point where they scare off everyone else, it takes the right lack of zoning, not just cheap housing. Those used SUV’s still need a license and insurance, when they cops pull them over they actually lose the car for a month, have to pay a grand to get it back plus insurance and most never get it back. That’s a hell of a tax that drives them into mixed use places where houses are next to stores. Look at the rotton part of any of the larger S.D. burbs (Esco, San Marcos, Vista). The ghetto part is always where you are with a few hundred yards of stores. There are examples within those same cities where rent is the same but a few miles from basic services and they just don’t go to hell because that couple of miles is an eternity to a permanent pedestrian.

Excellent rule of thumb for the future of any development or area, if you can get by without a car, it’s in the “risk” category. Look at the coastal areas, can you get by in Imperial Beach without a car? yeah. Can it be done in Del Mar? not really. More of Oceanside can be pedestrian than La Costa, compare most any two areas and apply the pedestrian principle, it’s better than tarot cards for telling the future. Land use is far more important than price when determining potential decay.

[barnaby33]

Oh Shit! Hillcrest is going to be next! Actually TG I think you are wrong. Most of the truly wretched areas are out in the styx. Its easy to look at Logan or City Heights and see ghetto. Its much harder to look at low density environments and see them, but they are there just the same. Lots of extreme poverty and ignorance in the Central and Imperial Valleys and most places there you can’t walk to anything.
Josh

[barnaby33]

Oh Shit! Hillcrest is going to be next! Actually TG I think you are wrong. Most of the truly wretched areas are out in the styx. Its easy to look at Logan or City Heights and see ghetto. Its much harder to look at low density environments and see them, but they are there just the same. Lots of extreme poverty and ignorance in the Central and Imperial Valleys and most places there you can’t walk to anything.
Josh

[barnaby33]

Oh Shit! Hillcrest is going to be next! Actually TG I think you are wrong. Most of the truly wretched areas are out in the styx. Its easy to look at Logan or City Heights and see ghetto. Its much harder to look at low density environments and see them, but they are there just the same. Lots of extreme poverty and ignorance in the Central and Imperial Valleys and most places there you can’t walk to anything.
Josh

[barnaby33]

Oh Shit! Hillcrest is going to be next! Actually TG I think you are wrong. Most of the truly wretched areas are out in the styx. Its easy to look at Logan or City Heights and see ghetto. Its much harder to look at low density environments and see them, but they are there just the same. Lots of extreme poverty and ignorance in the Central and Imperial Valleys and most places there you can’t walk to anything.
Josh

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