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November 13, 2009 at 3:16 PM #483388November 13, 2009 at 4:03 PM #482569
Arraya
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=Arraya]
INTERPRETATION IS NOT FACT
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I agree.
Just because you think that some are motivated by the select Koranic verses doesn’t make it fact.
Many Muslims think that America was motivated by Christian fervor to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s their interpretation. But that doesn’t make it fact.[/quote]
Do you see what he is doing, though.
What is so interesting to me.
He is just like every other religious nut who declares HIS interpretation to be FACT.
What makes him even more insane is he is doing it about another religion.
Preacher Surveyor is on a rock decreeing that all muslims, if true to their faith, must wage violence on non-believers.
He is an INVERSE Koran thumper
Preach it to us, oh teacher of the “truth”!!
November 13, 2009 at 4:03 PM #482738Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=Arraya]
INTERPRETATION IS NOT FACT
[/quote]
I agree.
Just because you think that some are motivated by the select Koranic verses doesn’t make it fact.
Many Muslims think that America was motivated by Christian fervor to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s their interpretation. But that doesn’t make it fact.[/quote]
Do you see what he is doing, though.
What is so interesting to me.
He is just like every other religious nut who declares HIS interpretation to be FACT.
What makes him even more insane is he is doing it about another religion.
Preacher Surveyor is on a rock decreeing that all muslims, if true to their faith, must wage violence on non-believers.
He is an INVERSE Koran thumper
Preach it to us, oh teacher of the “truth”!!
November 13, 2009 at 4:03 PM #483106Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=Arraya]
INTERPRETATION IS NOT FACT
[/quote]
I agree.
Just because you think that some are motivated by the select Koranic verses doesn’t make it fact.
Many Muslims think that America was motivated by Christian fervor to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s their interpretation. But that doesn’t make it fact.[/quote]
Do you see what he is doing, though.
What is so interesting to me.
He is just like every other religious nut who declares HIS interpretation to be FACT.
What makes him even more insane is he is doing it about another religion.
Preacher Surveyor is on a rock decreeing that all muslims, if true to their faith, must wage violence on non-believers.
He is an INVERSE Koran thumper
Preach it to us, oh teacher of the “truth”!!
November 13, 2009 at 4:03 PM #483187Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=Arraya]
INTERPRETATION IS NOT FACT
[/quote]
I agree.
Just because you think that some are motivated by the select Koranic verses doesn’t make it fact.
Many Muslims think that America was motivated by Christian fervor to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s their interpretation. But that doesn’t make it fact.[/quote]
Do you see what he is doing, though.
What is so interesting to me.
He is just like every other religious nut who declares HIS interpretation to be FACT.
What makes him even more insane is he is doing it about another religion.
Preacher Surveyor is on a rock decreeing that all muslims, if true to their faith, must wage violence on non-believers.
He is an INVERSE Koran thumper
Preach it to us, oh teacher of the “truth”!!
November 13, 2009 at 4:03 PM #483412Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=Arraya]
INTERPRETATION IS NOT FACT
[/quote]
I agree.
Just because you think that some are motivated by the select Koranic verses doesn’t make it fact.
Many Muslims think that America was motivated by Christian fervor to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s their interpretation. But that doesn’t make it fact.[/quote]
Do you see what he is doing, though.
What is so interesting to me.
He is just like every other religious nut who declares HIS interpretation to be FACT.
What makes him even more insane is he is doing it about another religion.
Preacher Surveyor is on a rock decreeing that all muslims, if true to their faith, must wage violence on non-believers.
He is an INVERSE Koran thumper
Preach it to us, oh teacher of the “truth”!!
November 13, 2009 at 4:18 PM #482574Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=Arraya]
INTERPRETATION IS NOT FACT
[/quote]
I agree.
Just because you think that some are motivated by the select Koranic verses doesn’t make it fact.
Many Muslims think that America was motivated by Christian fervor to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s their interpretation. But that doesn’t make it fact.[/quote]
I used to debate the invasions on the net back before blogs were big, in chat rooms. There are many christians that believe we are in a holy war as well.
The war on terror had that creepy religious overtone that propaganda incorporated set up. Thank God, Obama turned off that rhetoric!
So lets rehash again.
Preacher Surveyor says his interpretation of the Koran is FACT, because it IS.
Any Muslims that do not wish to interpret it this way ARE NOT true muslims.
Preacher Surveyor tells true muslims what to believe.
Preacher surveyor tells muslims to be violent to be true
ipso facto Preacher Surveyor preaches violence
November 13, 2009 at 4:18 PM #482743Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=Arraya]
INTERPRETATION IS NOT FACT
[/quote]
I agree.
Just because you think that some are motivated by the select Koranic verses doesn’t make it fact.
Many Muslims think that America was motivated by Christian fervor to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s their interpretation. But that doesn’t make it fact.[/quote]
I used to debate the invasions on the net back before blogs were big, in chat rooms. There are many christians that believe we are in a holy war as well.
The war on terror had that creepy religious overtone that propaganda incorporated set up. Thank God, Obama turned off that rhetoric!
So lets rehash again.
Preacher Surveyor says his interpretation of the Koran is FACT, because it IS.
Any Muslims that do not wish to interpret it this way ARE NOT true muslims.
Preacher Surveyor tells true muslims what to believe.
Preacher surveyor tells muslims to be violent to be true
ipso facto Preacher Surveyor preaches violence
November 13, 2009 at 4:18 PM #483111Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=Arraya]
INTERPRETATION IS NOT FACT
[/quote]
I agree.
Just because you think that some are motivated by the select Koranic verses doesn’t make it fact.
Many Muslims think that America was motivated by Christian fervor to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s their interpretation. But that doesn’t make it fact.[/quote]
I used to debate the invasions on the net back before blogs were big, in chat rooms. There are many christians that believe we are in a holy war as well.
The war on terror had that creepy religious overtone that propaganda incorporated set up. Thank God, Obama turned off that rhetoric!
So lets rehash again.
Preacher Surveyor says his interpretation of the Koran is FACT, because it IS.
Any Muslims that do not wish to interpret it this way ARE NOT true muslims.
Preacher Surveyor tells true muslims what to believe.
Preacher surveyor tells muslims to be violent to be true
ipso facto Preacher Surveyor preaches violence
November 13, 2009 at 4:18 PM #483192Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=Arraya]
INTERPRETATION IS NOT FACT
[/quote]
I agree.
Just because you think that some are motivated by the select Koranic verses doesn’t make it fact.
Many Muslims think that America was motivated by Christian fervor to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s their interpretation. But that doesn’t make it fact.[/quote]
I used to debate the invasions on the net back before blogs were big, in chat rooms. There are many christians that believe we are in a holy war as well.
The war on terror had that creepy religious overtone that propaganda incorporated set up. Thank God, Obama turned off that rhetoric!
So lets rehash again.
Preacher Surveyor says his interpretation of the Koran is FACT, because it IS.
Any Muslims that do not wish to interpret it this way ARE NOT true muslims.
Preacher Surveyor tells true muslims what to believe.
Preacher surveyor tells muslims to be violent to be true
ipso facto Preacher Surveyor preaches violence
November 13, 2009 at 4:18 PM #483417Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=Arraya]
INTERPRETATION IS NOT FACT
[/quote]
I agree.
Just because you think that some are motivated by the select Koranic verses doesn’t make it fact.
Many Muslims think that America was motivated by Christian fervor to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s their interpretation. But that doesn’t make it fact.[/quote]
I used to debate the invasions on the net back before blogs were big, in chat rooms. There are many christians that believe we are in a holy war as well.
The war on terror had that creepy religious overtone that propaganda incorporated set up. Thank God, Obama turned off that rhetoric!
So lets rehash again.
Preacher Surveyor says his interpretation of the Koran is FACT, because it IS.
Any Muslims that do not wish to interpret it this way ARE NOT true muslims.
Preacher Surveyor tells true muslims what to believe.
Preacher surveyor tells muslims to be violent to be true
ipso facto Preacher Surveyor preaches violence
November 13, 2009 at 4:54 PM #482589surveyor
Participantsure it’s MY interpretation (not)
In fact, based on the sword-verses as well as countless other Qur’anic verses and oral traditions attributed to Muhammad, Islam’s learned officials, sheikhs, muftis, and imams throughout the ages have all reached consensus—binding on the entire Muslim community—that Islam is to be at perpetual war with the non-Muslim world until the former subsumes the latter. Indeed, it is widely held by Muslim scholars that since the sword-verses are among the final revelations on the topic of Islam’s relationship to non-Muslims, that they alone have abrogated some 200 of the Qur’an’s earlier and more tolerant verses, such as “no compulsion is there in religion.”[9] Famous Muslim scholar Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406) admired in the West for his “progressive” insights, also puts to rest the notion that jihad is defensive warfare:
In the Muslim community, the holy war [jihad] is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force … The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defense … They are merely required to establish their religion among their own people. That is why the Israelites after Moses and Joshua remained unconcerned with royal authority [e.g., a caliphate]. Their only concern was to establish their religion [not spread it to the nations] … But Islam is under obligation to gain power over other nations.[10]
Modern authorities agree. The Encyclopaedia of Islam’s entry for “jihad” by Emile Tyan states that the “spread of Islam by arms is a religious duty upon Muslims in general … Jihad must continue to be done until the whole world is under the rule of Islam … Islam must completely be made over before the doctrine of jihad [warfare to spread Islam] can be eliminated.” Iraqi jurist Majid Khaduri (1909-2007), after defining jihad as warfare, writes that “jihad … is regarded by all jurists, with almost no exception, as a collective obligation of the whole Muslim community.”[11] And, of course, Muslim legal manuals written in Arabic are even more explicit.[12]
[10] Ibn Khaldun, The Muqudimmah: An Introduction to History, Franz Rosenthal, trans. (New York: Pantheon, 1958,) vol. 1, p. 473.
[11] Majid Khadduri, War and Peace in the Law of Islam (London: Oxford University Press, 1955), p. 60.
[12] See, for instance, Ahmed Mahmud Karima, Al-Jihad fi’l-Islam: Dirasa Fiqhiya Muqarina (Cairo: Al-Azhar University, 2003).In their own words… Not mine.
Understand what motivates your enemy? Nah, not necessary, right?
November 13, 2009 at 4:54 PM #482757Participantsure it’s MY interpretation (not)
In fact, based on the sword-verses as well as countless other Qur’anic verses and oral traditions attributed to Muhammad, Islam’s learned officials, sheikhs, muftis, and imams throughout the ages have all reached consensus—binding on the entire Muslim community—that Islam is to be at perpetual war with the non-Muslim world until the former subsumes the latter. Indeed, it is widely held by Muslim scholars that since the sword-verses are among the final revelations on the topic of Islam’s relationship to non-Muslims, that they alone have abrogated some 200 of the Qur’an’s earlier and more tolerant verses, such as “no compulsion is there in religion.”[9] Famous Muslim scholar Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406) admired in the West for his “progressive” insights, also puts to rest the notion that jihad is defensive warfare:
In the Muslim community, the holy war [jihad] is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force … The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defense … They are merely required to establish their religion among their own people. That is why the Israelites after Moses and Joshua remained unconcerned with royal authority [e.g., a caliphate]. Their only concern was to establish their religion [not spread it to the nations] … But Islam is under obligation to gain power over other nations.[10]
Modern authorities agree. The Encyclopaedia of Islam’s entry for “jihad” by Emile Tyan states that the “spread of Islam by arms is a religious duty upon Muslims in general … Jihad must continue to be done until the whole world is under the rule of Islam … Islam must completely be made over before the doctrine of jihad [warfare to spread Islam] can be eliminated.” Iraqi jurist Majid Khaduri (1909-2007), after defining jihad as warfare, writes that “jihad … is regarded by all jurists, with almost no exception, as a collective obligation of the whole Muslim community.”[11] And, of course, Muslim legal manuals written in Arabic are even more explicit.[12]
[10] Ibn Khaldun, The Muqudimmah: An Introduction to History, Franz Rosenthal, trans. (New York: Pantheon, 1958,) vol. 1, p. 473.
[11] Majid Khadduri, War and Peace in the Law of Islam (London: Oxford University Press, 1955), p. 60.
[12] See, for instance, Ahmed Mahmud Karima, Al-Jihad fi’l-Islam: Dirasa Fiqhiya Muqarina (Cairo: Al-Azhar University, 2003).In their own words… Not mine.
Understand what motivates your enemy? Nah, not necessary, right?
November 13, 2009 at 4:54 PM #483126Participantsure it’s MY interpretation (not)
In fact, based on the sword-verses as well as countless other Qur’anic verses and oral traditions attributed to Muhammad, Islam’s learned officials, sheikhs, muftis, and imams throughout the ages have all reached consensus—binding on the entire Muslim community—that Islam is to be at perpetual war with the non-Muslim world until the former subsumes the latter. Indeed, it is widely held by Muslim scholars that since the sword-verses are among the final revelations on the topic of Islam’s relationship to non-Muslims, that they alone have abrogated some 200 of the Qur’an’s earlier and more tolerant verses, such as “no compulsion is there in religion.”[9] Famous Muslim scholar Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406) admired in the West for his “progressive” insights, also puts to rest the notion that jihad is defensive warfare:
In the Muslim community, the holy war [jihad] is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force … The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defense … They are merely required to establish their religion among their own people. That is why the Israelites after Moses and Joshua remained unconcerned with royal authority [e.g., a caliphate]. Their only concern was to establish their religion [not spread it to the nations] … But Islam is under obligation to gain power over other nations.[10]
Modern authorities agree. The Encyclopaedia of Islam’s entry for “jihad” by Emile Tyan states that the “spread of Islam by arms is a religious duty upon Muslims in general … Jihad must continue to be done until the whole world is under the rule of Islam … Islam must completely be made over before the doctrine of jihad [warfare to spread Islam] can be eliminated.” Iraqi jurist Majid Khaduri (1909-2007), after defining jihad as warfare, writes that “jihad … is regarded by all jurists, with almost no exception, as a collective obligation of the whole Muslim community.”[11] And, of course, Muslim legal manuals written in Arabic are even more explicit.[12]
[10] Ibn Khaldun, The Muqudimmah: An Introduction to History, Franz Rosenthal, trans. (New York: Pantheon, 1958,) vol. 1, p. 473.
[11] Majid Khadduri, War and Peace in the Law of Islam (London: Oxford University Press, 1955), p. 60.
[12] See, for instance, Ahmed Mahmud Karima, Al-Jihad fi’l-Islam: Dirasa Fiqhiya Muqarina (Cairo: Al-Azhar University, 2003).In their own words… Not mine.
Understand what motivates your enemy? Nah, not necessary, right?
November 13, 2009 at 4:54 PM #483207Participantsure it’s MY interpretation (not)
In fact, based on the sword-verses as well as countless other Qur’anic verses and oral traditions attributed to Muhammad, Islam’s learned officials, sheikhs, muftis, and imams throughout the ages have all reached consensus—binding on the entire Muslim community—that Islam is to be at perpetual war with the non-Muslim world until the former subsumes the latter. Indeed, it is widely held by Muslim scholars that since the sword-verses are among the final revelations on the topic of Islam’s relationship to non-Muslims, that they alone have abrogated some 200 of the Qur’an’s earlier and more tolerant verses, such as “no compulsion is there in religion.”[9] Famous Muslim scholar Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406) admired in the West for his “progressive” insights, also puts to rest the notion that jihad is defensive warfare:
In the Muslim community, the holy war [jihad] is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force … The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defense … They are merely required to establish their religion among their own people. That is why the Israelites after Moses and Joshua remained unconcerned with royal authority [e.g., a caliphate]. Their only concern was to establish their religion [not spread it to the nations] … But Islam is under obligation to gain power over other nations.[10]
Modern authorities agree. The Encyclopaedia of Islam’s entry for “jihad” by Emile Tyan states that the “spread of Islam by arms is a religious duty upon Muslims in general … Jihad must continue to be done until the whole world is under the rule of Islam … Islam must completely be made over before the doctrine of jihad [warfare to spread Islam] can be eliminated.” Iraqi jurist Majid Khaduri (1909-2007), after defining jihad as warfare, writes that “jihad … is regarded by all jurists, with almost no exception, as a collective obligation of the whole Muslim community.”[11] And, of course, Muslim legal manuals written in Arabic are even more explicit.[12]
[10] Ibn Khaldun, The Muqudimmah: An Introduction to History, Franz Rosenthal, trans. (New York: Pantheon, 1958,) vol. 1, p. 473.
[11] Majid Khadduri, War and Peace in the Law of Islam (London: Oxford University Press, 1955), p. 60.
[12] See, for instance, Ahmed Mahmud Karima, Al-Jihad fi’l-Islam: Dirasa Fiqhiya Muqarina (Cairo: Al-Azhar University, 2003).In their own words… Not mine.
Understand what motivates your enemy? Nah, not necessary, right?
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