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[cyphire]

Sorry – What I said was uncalled for. I retract it. I don’t have an excuse but try to look at it from my perspective…

Bush vetoing the stem cell initiative really pissed me off. Again – he talks about morals – but in my opinion, he doesn’t have any.

Also – if you saw people worshiping peanut butter and jelly sandwiches – you would probably like them to keep it to themselves. I see no difference in most religious views. Other than the peanut butter actually provides sustenance. I would like people to keep their beliefs to themselves, it’s not the kind of thing I think children (mine) should be exposed to.

I apologize for calling all religious people uneducated. Without adding fuel to the fire, I do believe however that at a certain point in intellectual ability, the percentage of ‘believers’ goes way down. Just my opinion even though it’s not politically correct.

[cyphire]

Sorry – What I said was uncalled for. I retract it. I don’t have an excuse but try to look at it from my perspective…

Bush vetoing the stem cell initiative really pissed me off. Again – he talks about morals – but in my opinion, he doesn’t have any.

Also – if you saw people worshiping peanut butter and jelly sandwiches – you would probably like them to keep it to themselves. I see no difference in most religious views. Other than the peanut butter actually provides sustenance. I would like people to keep their beliefs to themselves, it’s not the kind of thing I think children (mine) should be exposed to.

I apologize for calling all religious people uneducated. Without adding fuel to the fire, I do believe however that at a certain point in intellectual ability, the percentage of ‘believers’ goes way down. Just my opinion even though it’s not politically correct.

[lostkitty]

"I apologize for calling all religious people uneducated. Without adding fuel to the fire, I do believe however that at a certain point in intellectual ability, the percentage of 'believers' goes way down. Just my opinion even though it's not politically correct. "

 I agree cyphire, but the 'education' has to be specific.  They need to have studied ancient texts.  Anyone who has read the 'Epic of Gilgamesh' cannot possibly still 'believe' in religion the same way.   They can still follow Christ's wonderful message and teachings (do good, treat your neighbor as you woudl liek to be treated, etc), but they cannot actually 'believe' all the events unfolded the way the bible says they did.  Especially since there are writings which predate the bible and tell the same stories, just different characters.

This is what happens when stories evolve over centuries by word of mouth.  Like the telephone game. 

 Especially in today's education system, where highly intelligent people are quite specific/specialized in their studies…they may never get aroud to studying the history of the middle east where these stories arose. 

 

I hope for the revival of the Renaissance Man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_man

[lostkitty]

"I apologize for calling all religious people uneducated. Without adding fuel to the fire, I do believe however that at a certain point in intellectual ability, the percentage of 'believers' goes way down. Just my opinion even though it's not politically correct. "

 I agree cyphire, but the 'education' has to be specific.  They need to have studied ancient texts.  Anyone who has read the 'Epic of Gilgamesh' cannot possibly still 'believe' in religion the same way.   They can still follow Christ's wonderful message and teachings (do good, treat your neighbor as you woudl liek to be treated, etc), but they cannot actually 'believe' all the events unfolded the way the bible says they did.  Especially since there are writings which predate the bible and tell the same stories, just different characters.

This is what happens when stories evolve over centuries by word of mouth.  Like the telephone game. 

 Especially in today's education system, where highly intelligent people are quite specific/specialized in their studies…they may never get aroud to studying the history of the middle east where these stories arose. 

 

I hope for the revival of the Renaissance Man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_man

[PD]

Lostkitty, you and I agree on something. 🙂

[PD]

Lostkitty, you and I agree on something. 🙂

[Anonymous]

lk, I read ‘The Epic of Gilgamesh’ — all I remember is the wrestling part — in high school. I’m still a Christian.

cyphire, the majority of physicians believe in God, and the the average IQ of a physician is 125, I vaguely remember.

http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/050714/doctorsfaith.shtml

The fellow who spearheaded the Human Genome project deepened his Christianity as he worked to unwind the secrets of our DNA.

Religion and reason are not at loggerheads.

Let us Christians be.

[Anonymous]

lk, I read ‘The Epic of Gilgamesh’ — all I remember is the wrestling part — in high school. I’m still a Christian.

cyphire, the majority of physicians believe in God, and the the average IQ of a physician is 125, I vaguely remember.

http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/050714/doctorsfaith.shtml

The fellow who spearheaded the Human Genome project deepened his Christianity as he worked to unwind the secrets of our DNA.

Religion and reason are not at loggerheads.

Let us Christians be.

[Anonymous]

cyphire, Christians are happy to support stem cell research. We just ask you to use ADULT stem cells, not EMBRYONIC stem cells.

Last week, there was an announcement that scientists were able to prod mouse skin cells, I think, into a pluripotent state, just like with an embryonic stem cell.

If you want stem cell research and want all to get behind it, limit it to adult stem cells, which can and are doing wonderful things in clinical trials. Let the Chinese do the gruesome, Nazi-like work with embryonic stem cells.

[Anonymous]

cyphire, Christians are happy to support stem cell research. We just ask you to use ADULT stem cells, not EMBRYONIC stem cells.

Last week, there was an announcement that scientists were able to prod mouse skin cells, I think, into a pluripotent state, just like with an embryonic stem cell.

If you want stem cell research and want all to get behind it, limit it to adult stem cells, which can and are doing wonderful things in clinical trials. Let the Chinese do the gruesome, Nazi-like work with embryonic stem cells.

[4plexowner]

At least 14 myths on this planet share the basic details of the Jesus story – in particular the virgin birth and sacrificial death for the benefit of others

Just a coincidence I’m sure …

[4plexowner]

At least 14 myths on this planet share the basic details of the Jesus story – in particular the virgin birth and sacrificial death for the benefit of others

Just a coincidence I’m sure …

[lostkitty]

"Lostkitty, you and I agree on something. 🙂 "

 Right on, sister!

[lostkitty]

"Lostkitty, you and I agree on something. 🙂 "

 Right on, sister!

[cyphire]

As I previously stated, I won’t get into any more religious motifs. I have overstayed my welcome with these comments, it isn’t the forum for them. I won’t change your minds, you wont change mine. Hey lostkitty – I do love the message of jesus – and wish that the people who profess it so strongly actually paid heed to it (it’s pretty sad when I’m a better Christian than GW!) (do you think that was improperly said jg? I meant it in the spirit of what Christianity is supposed to stand for if you eliminate all the dogma, politics, and all the popes for at least 1000 years.

That being said, sorry you are so voracious about not using embryos. The embryos in question are frozen by couples who have used invitro techniques because they couldnt have children naturally. Are you against this? They would also be thrown away if not used. When I die all my body parts will go to anyone that can use them. I’m an organ donor. It makes me happy that my parts could be used to prolong someones life. Why can’t embryos be used the same way? They weren’t created to make experiments, and the vast majority of people polled (was a study this week) who have these embryos which are going to be destroyed think its fine.

Again – you have been taught something in your religion. That life starts with conception and that the moment an egg is fertilized it is a person. As someone with a scientific nature it angers me that when a few cells (literally a tiny mass of cells at the point an embryo is) cannot be used for research to help mankind, when they are being used anyway except for federal funding (the boat has sailed on religion being used to stop all science).

So once again – I get words like gruesome, Nazi-like, etc. because you think that what you were taught is fact. Sorry – from my perspective you are just a misguided person who is standing in the way of progress. It is ultimately up to me for the sake of my children to try and stop the people who are dangerous to our society.

I tried to form this without using any meanness or rants. It’s just my opinion. By the way, there are lots of republican religious folks (not the far right) which back the measure. They don’t consider it Nazi-like nor do they think the world was formed in 7 days and that it is only 8000 years old (or something like that).

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