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February 4, 2011 at 1:36 PM #663877February 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM #662747
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Participant[quote=no_such_reality]Did you read the notes?
1. 15% bonus for National Board Cert. Basically, add 15% to every entry.
2. $3000 for bilingual.
3. the schedule points are based on semester units (going through the motions count grinding out training sessions). The steps are just years employment. You did notice that Schedule 27 is the only one going out to steps (years) 11-14? That should clue you in to the way the advancement through schedule works.
And that last note: annual rates shown,
for full time assignments (6 hour or 8 hours) Plus the note at the top (Annual is 204 paid days or equivalent hours) AKA 1632 hours.
A work year in private sector is 2080 less a pittance of holidays (six to eight) and somewhere between two and four weeks vacation. let’s call it three on average and 7 holidays. 1900 hours roughly.
Look at the table, a teacher with 8 years experience will be in the $65K range base. Add 15%. That’s $74,750. Or are you saying the average teacher in LA hasn’t been around 8 years had hasn’t been doing any training? Possibly add $3000 on bilingual.[/quote]
nsr,
I used to teach for LAUSD. Believe me, I know how the schedule works.
Firstly, most teachers are NOT bilingual. The National Board Certification started after I left, so don’t know how many are certified, but I’m guessing it’s not all of them.
In the private industry, you get PAID vacation time. In teaching, you get NO paid vacations. Also, you do a lot of work outside of those “full time” hours in teaching, and you also spend a lot of your own money for classroom materials (at least I did, as did many of my teacher friends).
Having worked in private industry, where I oversaw up to 300 people, and having taught in public schools, I can say for a fact that teaching is one of the most difficult, exhausting jobs out there. You cannot compare it to a cubicle job, because a teacher is “always on,” all day long. We only had a half-hour lunch break, and that was it for the day. Even though the kids had recess, the teachers are often dealing with students and setting up lessons, etc. during that time.
If you think teaching is so easy and overpaid, why aren’t you doing it?
February 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM #662809Participant[quote=no_such_reality]Did you read the notes?
1. 15% bonus for National Board Cert. Basically, add 15% to every entry.
2. $3000 for bilingual.
3. the schedule points are based on semester units (going through the motions count grinding out training sessions). The steps are just years employment. You did notice that Schedule 27 is the only one going out to steps (years) 11-14? That should clue you in to the way the advancement through schedule works.
And that last note: annual rates shown,
for full time assignments (6 hour or 8 hours) Plus the note at the top (Annual is 204 paid days or equivalent hours) AKA 1632 hours.
A work year in private sector is 2080 less a pittance of holidays (six to eight) and somewhere between two and four weeks vacation. let’s call it three on average and 7 holidays. 1900 hours roughly.
Look at the table, a teacher with 8 years experience will be in the $65K range base. Add 15%. That’s $74,750. Or are you saying the average teacher in LA hasn’t been around 8 years had hasn’t been doing any training? Possibly add $3000 on bilingual.[/quote]
nsr,
I used to teach for LAUSD. Believe me, I know how the schedule works.
Firstly, most teachers are NOT bilingual. The National Board Certification started after I left, so don’t know how many are certified, but I’m guessing it’s not all of them.
In the private industry, you get PAID vacation time. In teaching, you get NO paid vacations. Also, you do a lot of work outside of those “full time” hours in teaching, and you also spend a lot of your own money for classroom materials (at least I did, as did many of my teacher friends).
Having worked in private industry, where I oversaw up to 300 people, and having taught in public schools, I can say for a fact that teaching is one of the most difficult, exhausting jobs out there. You cannot compare it to a cubicle job, because a teacher is “always on,” all day long. We only had a half-hour lunch break, and that was it for the day. Even though the kids had recess, the teachers are often dealing with students and setting up lessons, etc. during that time.
If you think teaching is so easy and overpaid, why aren’t you doing it?
February 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM #663413Participant[quote=no_such_reality]Did you read the notes?
1. 15% bonus for National Board Cert. Basically, add 15% to every entry.
2. $3000 for bilingual.
3. the schedule points are based on semester units (going through the motions count grinding out training sessions). The steps are just years employment. You did notice that Schedule 27 is the only one going out to steps (years) 11-14? That should clue you in to the way the advancement through schedule works.
And that last note: annual rates shown,
for full time assignments (6 hour or 8 hours) Plus the note at the top (Annual is 204 paid days or equivalent hours) AKA 1632 hours.
A work year in private sector is 2080 less a pittance of holidays (six to eight) and somewhere between two and four weeks vacation. let’s call it three on average and 7 holidays. 1900 hours roughly.
Look at the table, a teacher with 8 years experience will be in the $65K range base. Add 15%. That’s $74,750. Or are you saying the average teacher in LA hasn’t been around 8 years had hasn’t been doing any training? Possibly add $3000 on bilingual.[/quote]
nsr,
I used to teach for LAUSD. Believe me, I know how the schedule works.
Firstly, most teachers are NOT bilingual. The National Board Certification started after I left, so don’t know how many are certified, but I’m guessing it’s not all of them.
In the private industry, you get PAID vacation time. In teaching, you get NO paid vacations. Also, you do a lot of work outside of those “full time” hours in teaching, and you also spend a lot of your own money for classroom materials (at least I did, as did many of my teacher friends).
Having worked in private industry, where I oversaw up to 300 people, and having taught in public schools, I can say for a fact that teaching is one of the most difficult, exhausting jobs out there. You cannot compare it to a cubicle job, because a teacher is “always on,” all day long. We only had a half-hour lunch break, and that was it for the day. Even though the kids had recess, the teachers are often dealing with students and setting up lessons, etc. during that time.
If you think teaching is so easy and overpaid, why aren’t you doing it?
February 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM #663549Participant[quote=no_such_reality]Did you read the notes?
1. 15% bonus for National Board Cert. Basically, add 15% to every entry.
2. $3000 for bilingual.
3. the schedule points are based on semester units (going through the motions count grinding out training sessions). The steps are just years employment. You did notice that Schedule 27 is the only one going out to steps (years) 11-14? That should clue you in to the way the advancement through schedule works.
And that last note: annual rates shown,
for full time assignments (6 hour or 8 hours) Plus the note at the top (Annual is 204 paid days or equivalent hours) AKA 1632 hours.
A work year in private sector is 2080 less a pittance of holidays (six to eight) and somewhere between two and four weeks vacation. let’s call it three on average and 7 holidays. 1900 hours roughly.
Look at the table, a teacher with 8 years experience will be in the $65K range base. Add 15%. That’s $74,750. Or are you saying the average teacher in LA hasn’t been around 8 years had hasn’t been doing any training? Possibly add $3000 on bilingual.[/quote]
nsr,
I used to teach for LAUSD. Believe me, I know how the schedule works.
Firstly, most teachers are NOT bilingual. The National Board Certification started after I left, so don’t know how many are certified, but I’m guessing it’s not all of them.
In the private industry, you get PAID vacation time. In teaching, you get NO paid vacations. Also, you do a lot of work outside of those “full time” hours in teaching, and you also spend a lot of your own money for classroom materials (at least I did, as did many of my teacher friends).
Having worked in private industry, where I oversaw up to 300 people, and having taught in public schools, I can say for a fact that teaching is one of the most difficult, exhausting jobs out there. You cannot compare it to a cubicle job, because a teacher is “always on,” all day long. We only had a half-hour lunch break, and that was it for the day. Even though the kids had recess, the teachers are often dealing with students and setting up lessons, etc. during that time.
If you think teaching is so easy and overpaid, why aren’t you doing it?
February 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM #663887Participant[quote=no_such_reality]Did you read the notes?
1. 15% bonus for National Board Cert. Basically, add 15% to every entry.
2. $3000 for bilingual.
3. the schedule points are based on semester units (going through the motions count grinding out training sessions). The steps are just years employment. You did notice that Schedule 27 is the only one going out to steps (years) 11-14? That should clue you in to the way the advancement through schedule works.
And that last note: annual rates shown,
for full time assignments (6 hour or 8 hours) Plus the note at the top (Annual is 204 paid days or equivalent hours) AKA 1632 hours.
A work year in private sector is 2080 less a pittance of holidays (six to eight) and somewhere between two and four weeks vacation. let’s call it three on average and 7 holidays. 1900 hours roughly.
Look at the table, a teacher with 8 years experience will be in the $65K range base. Add 15%. That’s $74,750. Or are you saying the average teacher in LA hasn’t been around 8 years had hasn’t been doing any training? Possibly add $3000 on bilingual.[/quote]
nsr,
I used to teach for LAUSD. Believe me, I know how the schedule works.
Firstly, most teachers are NOT bilingual. The National Board Certification started after I left, so don’t know how many are certified, but I’m guessing it’s not all of them.
In the private industry, you get PAID vacation time. In teaching, you get NO paid vacations. Also, you do a lot of work outside of those “full time” hours in teaching, and you also spend a lot of your own money for classroom materials (at least I did, as did many of my teacher friends).
Having worked in private industry, where I oversaw up to 300 people, and having taught in public schools, I can say for a fact that teaching is one of the most difficult, exhausting jobs out there. You cannot compare it to a cubicle job, because a teacher is “always on,” all day long. We only had a half-hour lunch break, and that was it for the day. Even though the kids had recess, the teachers are often dealing with students and setting up lessons, etc. during that time.
If you think teaching is so easy and overpaid, why aren’t you doing it?
February 4, 2011 at 2:18 PM #662762Djshakes
ParticipantI’m not saying it is easy…but it is not one of the most difficult jobs. You have to know your subject at a high school level or less depending on what grade you teach. Other than that you are glorified baby sitter. The only stressful part is trying to keep the kids in their seats while hormones are popping out of their heads. I never understood the teachers that worked until 8 pm planning lessons, etc. Granted it wasn’t many…but I chalked it up to inefficiency.
The first two years maybe tougher than the rest because you are developing your curriculum. After that you make slight modifications to it. You are arguing that they are underpaid. Well, most of the time compensation is relative to effort.
I still think they are overpaid. I was a teacher and I have nothing against them.
February 4, 2011 at 2:18 PM #662824ParticipantI’m not saying it is easy…but it is not one of the most difficult jobs. You have to know your subject at a high school level or less depending on what grade you teach. Other than that you are glorified baby sitter. The only stressful part is trying to keep the kids in their seats while hormones are popping out of their heads. I never understood the teachers that worked until 8 pm planning lessons, etc. Granted it wasn’t many…but I chalked it up to inefficiency.
The first two years maybe tougher than the rest because you are developing your curriculum. After that you make slight modifications to it. You are arguing that they are underpaid. Well, most of the time compensation is relative to effort.
I still think they are overpaid. I was a teacher and I have nothing against them.
February 4, 2011 at 2:18 PM #663428ParticipantI’m not saying it is easy…but it is not one of the most difficult jobs. You have to know your subject at a high school level or less depending on what grade you teach. Other than that you are glorified baby sitter. The only stressful part is trying to keep the kids in their seats while hormones are popping out of their heads. I never understood the teachers that worked until 8 pm planning lessons, etc. Granted it wasn’t many…but I chalked it up to inefficiency.
The first two years maybe tougher than the rest because you are developing your curriculum. After that you make slight modifications to it. You are arguing that they are underpaid. Well, most of the time compensation is relative to effort.
I still think they are overpaid. I was a teacher and I have nothing against them.
February 4, 2011 at 2:18 PM #663564ParticipantI’m not saying it is easy…but it is not one of the most difficult jobs. You have to know your subject at a high school level or less depending on what grade you teach. Other than that you are glorified baby sitter. The only stressful part is trying to keep the kids in their seats while hormones are popping out of their heads. I never understood the teachers that worked until 8 pm planning lessons, etc. Granted it wasn’t many…but I chalked it up to inefficiency.
The first two years maybe tougher than the rest because you are developing your curriculum. After that you make slight modifications to it. You are arguing that they are underpaid. Well, most of the time compensation is relative to effort.
I still think they are overpaid. I was a teacher and I have nothing against them.
February 4, 2011 at 2:18 PM #663902ParticipantI’m not saying it is easy…but it is not one of the most difficult jobs. You have to know your subject at a high school level or less depending on what grade you teach. Other than that you are glorified baby sitter. The only stressful part is trying to keep the kids in their seats while hormones are popping out of their heads. I never understood the teachers that worked until 8 pm planning lessons, etc. Granted it wasn’t many…but I chalked it up to inefficiency.
The first two years maybe tougher than the rest because you are developing your curriculum. After that you make slight modifications to it. You are arguing that they are underpaid. Well, most of the time compensation is relative to effort.
I still think they are overpaid. I was a teacher and I have nothing against them.
February 4, 2011 at 2:29 PM #662772Participant[quote=Djshakes]I’m not saying it is easy…but it is not one of the most difficult jobs. You have to know your subject at a high school level or less depending on what grade you teach. Other than that you are glorified baby sitter. The only stressful part is trying to keep the kids in their seats while hormones are popping out of their heads. I never understood the teachers that worked until 8 pm planning lessons, etc. Granted it wasn’t many…but I chalked it up to inefficiency.
The first two years maybe tougher than the rest because you are developing your curriculum. After that you make slight modifications to it. You are arguing that they are underpaid. Well, most of the time compensation is relative to effort.
I still think they are overpaid. I was a teacher and I have nothing against them.[/quote]
Knowing the subject matter, and knowing how to teach are two totally different things (both equally important). If you think teachers are “glorified babysitters,” or that the job was easy, you probably weren’t a very good teacher.
February 4, 2011 at 2:29 PM #662834Participant[quote=Djshakes]I’m not saying it is easy…but it is not one of the most difficult jobs. You have to know your subject at a high school level or less depending on what grade you teach. Other than that you are glorified baby sitter. The only stressful part is trying to keep the kids in their seats while hormones are popping out of their heads. I never understood the teachers that worked until 8 pm planning lessons, etc. Granted it wasn’t many…but I chalked it up to inefficiency.
The first two years maybe tougher than the rest because you are developing your curriculum. After that you make slight modifications to it. You are arguing that they are underpaid. Well, most of the time compensation is relative to effort.
I still think they are overpaid. I was a teacher and I have nothing against them.[/quote]
Knowing the subject matter, and knowing how to teach are two totally different things (both equally important). If you think teachers are “glorified babysitters,” or that the job was easy, you probably weren’t a very good teacher.
February 4, 2011 at 2:29 PM #663438Participant[quote=Djshakes]I’m not saying it is easy…but it is not one of the most difficult jobs. You have to know your subject at a high school level or less depending on what grade you teach. Other than that you are glorified baby sitter. The only stressful part is trying to keep the kids in their seats while hormones are popping out of their heads. I never understood the teachers that worked until 8 pm planning lessons, etc. Granted it wasn’t many…but I chalked it up to inefficiency.
The first two years maybe tougher than the rest because you are developing your curriculum. After that you make slight modifications to it. You are arguing that they are underpaid. Well, most of the time compensation is relative to effort.
I still think they are overpaid. I was a teacher and I have nothing against them.[/quote]
Knowing the subject matter, and knowing how to teach are two totally different things (both equally important). If you think teachers are “glorified babysitters,” or that the job was easy, you probably weren’t a very good teacher.
February 4, 2011 at 2:29 PM #663574Participant[quote=Djshakes]I’m not saying it is easy…but it is not one of the most difficult jobs. You have to know your subject at a high school level or less depending on what grade you teach. Other than that you are glorified baby sitter. The only stressful part is trying to keep the kids in their seats while hormones are popping out of their heads. I never understood the teachers that worked until 8 pm planning lessons, etc. Granted it wasn’t many…but I chalked it up to inefficiency.
The first two years maybe tougher than the rest because you are developing your curriculum. After that you make slight modifications to it. You are arguing that they are underpaid. Well, most of the time compensation is relative to effort.
I still think they are overpaid. I was a teacher and I have nothing against them.[/quote]
Knowing the subject matter, and knowing how to teach are two totally different things (both equally important). If you think teachers are “glorified babysitters,” or that the job was easy, you probably weren’t a very good teacher.
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