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February 4, 2011 at 2:01 AM #663712February 4, 2011 at 2:39 AM #662578
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Participant[quote=Djshakes][quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz]…BTW, from what I have heard (from people who have gone through the credentialing process) getting a credential is kind of a joke. It is more of a bureaucratic hoop than anything. It does not make you a better teacher, only states the obvious (such as don’t smack johnny around when he is being a punk kid).[/quote]
Well, then, I’d say if more grads could/wished to successfully navigate CA’s “bureaucratic hoops” to obtain a credential, then there would be a nice supply of “replacements” for all of our aging teachers. The “hoops” must be there for a reason, jstoesz. I’m just not seeing all these candidates. I’m seeing “credential-pending” teaching candidates working as temporary low-paid teachers under the supervision of an experienced teacher. They seem to come and go and never actually get hired by the district. Maybe a CA teacher Pigg can explain to us why this is so.[/quote]
With all the cuts and fresh grads there is a large amount of applicants in the pool. I have a friend who was recently cut and still looking for a job. He also coaches. There is nothing out there.
Credentialing isn’t normally a separate process you go through. You get credentialed when you graduate from an accredited program, your bachelors degree. I’m sure there are some forms and basic one day courses in which jstoesz mentioned. These are formalities.
There isn’t a problem with replacing open spots…there are no spots to replace. They are either cutting the positions of the aging teacher once they retire or there are no positions at all.[/quote]
Agree with you that there are plenty of people who would like to teach right now because of the layoffs and the general economy.
BTW, in every case I’m aware of, teachers in California obtain their credential in a two-year, post-grad program. I believe there is one major (Liberal Arts???) that allows for a single year of post-grad work, but in almost every other case, it’s a two- year program AFTER the B.A./B.S.
February 4, 2011 at 2:39 AM #662639Participant[quote=Djshakes][quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz]…BTW, from what I have heard (from people who have gone through the credentialing process) getting a credential is kind of a joke. It is more of a bureaucratic hoop than anything. It does not make you a better teacher, only states the obvious (such as don’t smack johnny around when he is being a punk kid).[/quote]
Well, then, I’d say if more grads could/wished to successfully navigate CA’s “bureaucratic hoops” to obtain a credential, then there would be a nice supply of “replacements” for all of our aging teachers. The “hoops” must be there for a reason, jstoesz. I’m just not seeing all these candidates. I’m seeing “credential-pending” teaching candidates working as temporary low-paid teachers under the supervision of an experienced teacher. They seem to come and go and never actually get hired by the district. Maybe a CA teacher Pigg can explain to us why this is so.[/quote]
With all the cuts and fresh grads there is a large amount of applicants in the pool. I have a friend who was recently cut and still looking for a job. He also coaches. There is nothing out there.
Credentialing isn’t normally a separate process you go through. You get credentialed when you graduate from an accredited program, your bachelors degree. I’m sure there are some forms and basic one day courses in which jstoesz mentioned. These are formalities.
There isn’t a problem with replacing open spots…there are no spots to replace. They are either cutting the positions of the aging teacher once they retire or there are no positions at all.[/quote]
Agree with you that there are plenty of people who would like to teach right now because of the layoffs and the general economy.
BTW, in every case I’m aware of, teachers in California obtain their credential in a two-year, post-grad program. I believe there is one major (Liberal Arts???) that allows for a single year of post-grad work, but in almost every other case, it’s a two- year program AFTER the B.A./B.S.
February 4, 2011 at 2:39 AM #663242Participant[quote=Djshakes][quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz]…BTW, from what I have heard (from people who have gone through the credentialing process) getting a credential is kind of a joke. It is more of a bureaucratic hoop than anything. It does not make you a better teacher, only states the obvious (such as don’t smack johnny around when he is being a punk kid).[/quote]
Well, then, I’d say if more grads could/wished to successfully navigate CA’s “bureaucratic hoops” to obtain a credential, then there would be a nice supply of “replacements” for all of our aging teachers. The “hoops” must be there for a reason, jstoesz. I’m just not seeing all these candidates. I’m seeing “credential-pending” teaching candidates working as temporary low-paid teachers under the supervision of an experienced teacher. They seem to come and go and never actually get hired by the district. Maybe a CA teacher Pigg can explain to us why this is so.[/quote]
With all the cuts and fresh grads there is a large amount of applicants in the pool. I have a friend who was recently cut and still looking for a job. He also coaches. There is nothing out there.
Credentialing isn’t normally a separate process you go through. You get credentialed when you graduate from an accredited program, your bachelors degree. I’m sure there are some forms and basic one day courses in which jstoesz mentioned. These are formalities.
There isn’t a problem with replacing open spots…there are no spots to replace. They are either cutting the positions of the aging teacher once they retire or there are no positions at all.[/quote]
Agree with you that there are plenty of people who would like to teach right now because of the layoffs and the general economy.
BTW, in every case I’m aware of, teachers in California obtain their credential in a two-year, post-grad program. I believe there is one major (Liberal Arts???) that allows for a single year of post-grad work, but in almost every other case, it’s a two- year program AFTER the B.A./B.S.
February 4, 2011 at 2:39 AM #663379Participant[quote=Djshakes][quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz]…BTW, from what I have heard (from people who have gone through the credentialing process) getting a credential is kind of a joke. It is more of a bureaucratic hoop than anything. It does not make you a better teacher, only states the obvious (such as don’t smack johnny around when he is being a punk kid).[/quote]
Well, then, I’d say if more grads could/wished to successfully navigate CA’s “bureaucratic hoops” to obtain a credential, then there would be a nice supply of “replacements” for all of our aging teachers. The “hoops” must be there for a reason, jstoesz. I’m just not seeing all these candidates. I’m seeing “credential-pending” teaching candidates working as temporary low-paid teachers under the supervision of an experienced teacher. They seem to come and go and never actually get hired by the district. Maybe a CA teacher Pigg can explain to us why this is so.[/quote]
With all the cuts and fresh grads there is a large amount of applicants in the pool. I have a friend who was recently cut and still looking for a job. He also coaches. There is nothing out there.
Credentialing isn’t normally a separate process you go through. You get credentialed when you graduate from an accredited program, your bachelors degree. I’m sure there are some forms and basic one day courses in which jstoesz mentioned. These are formalities.
There isn’t a problem with replacing open spots…there are no spots to replace. They are either cutting the positions of the aging teacher once they retire or there are no positions at all.[/quote]
Agree with you that there are plenty of people who would like to teach right now because of the layoffs and the general economy.
BTW, in every case I’m aware of, teachers in California obtain their credential in a two-year, post-grad program. I believe there is one major (Liberal Arts???) that allows for a single year of post-grad work, but in almost every other case, it’s a two- year program AFTER the B.A./B.S.
February 4, 2011 at 2:39 AM #663717Participant[quote=Djshakes][quote=bearishgurl][quote=jstoesz]…BTW, from what I have heard (from people who have gone through the credentialing process) getting a credential is kind of a joke. It is more of a bureaucratic hoop than anything. It does not make you a better teacher, only states the obvious (such as don’t smack johnny around when he is being a punk kid).[/quote]
Well, then, I’d say if more grads could/wished to successfully navigate CA’s “bureaucratic hoops” to obtain a credential, then there would be a nice supply of “replacements” for all of our aging teachers. The “hoops” must be there for a reason, jstoesz. I’m just not seeing all these candidates. I’m seeing “credential-pending” teaching candidates working as temporary low-paid teachers under the supervision of an experienced teacher. They seem to come and go and never actually get hired by the district. Maybe a CA teacher Pigg can explain to us why this is so.[/quote]
With all the cuts and fresh grads there is a large amount of applicants in the pool. I have a friend who was recently cut and still looking for a job. He also coaches. There is nothing out there.
Credentialing isn’t normally a separate process you go through. You get credentialed when you graduate from an accredited program, your bachelors degree. I’m sure there are some forms and basic one day courses in which jstoesz mentioned. These are formalities.
There isn’t a problem with replacing open spots…there are no spots to replace. They are either cutting the positions of the aging teacher once they retire or there are no positions at all.[/quote]
Agree with you that there are plenty of people who would like to teach right now because of the layoffs and the general economy.
BTW, in every case I’m aware of, teachers in California obtain their credential in a two-year, post-grad program. I believe there is one major (Liberal Arts???) that allows for a single year of post-grad work, but in almost every other case, it’s a two- year program AFTER the B.A./B.S.
February 4, 2011 at 2:42 AM #662583Participant[quote=UCGal]My sister switched to teaching in her 30’s (after getting an MBA and working in business for most of her 20’s). Despite having a masters (MBA) she had to take 2 years of education courses and do a year of unpaid student teaching before she was credentialed for CA.
A good friend has a similar story. Worked sales and had a business degree, then went and got a teaching credential… it was a few years of education classes then a year of unpaid student teaching.
Both my sister and friend made the choice to give up better paying jobs specifically to become teachers. Some people love teaching, put in 80 hour weeks as teachers. They’re both type A type people. They put their all into teaching.
I can’t speak for other districts – but San Diego Unified is reducing the number of teachers. They’ve increased class sizes due to budget cuts and will likely be increasing sizes even more for the 2011/12 school year. What does that mean? They aren’t hiring new teachers.[/quote]
Just saw your post, UCGal. Yes, this is what I’m familiar with as well. I also went from a higher-paying job in the private sector to teaching.
February 4, 2011 at 2:42 AM #662644Participant[quote=UCGal]My sister switched to teaching in her 30’s (after getting an MBA and working in business for most of her 20’s). Despite having a masters (MBA) she had to take 2 years of education courses and do a year of unpaid student teaching before she was credentialed for CA.
A good friend has a similar story. Worked sales and had a business degree, then went and got a teaching credential… it was a few years of education classes then a year of unpaid student teaching.
Both my sister and friend made the choice to give up better paying jobs specifically to become teachers. Some people love teaching, put in 80 hour weeks as teachers. They’re both type A type people. They put their all into teaching.
I can’t speak for other districts – but San Diego Unified is reducing the number of teachers. They’ve increased class sizes due to budget cuts and will likely be increasing sizes even more for the 2011/12 school year. What does that mean? They aren’t hiring new teachers.[/quote]
Just saw your post, UCGal. Yes, this is what I’m familiar with as well. I also went from a higher-paying job in the private sector to teaching.
February 4, 2011 at 2:42 AM #663247Participant[quote=UCGal]My sister switched to teaching in her 30’s (after getting an MBA and working in business for most of her 20’s). Despite having a masters (MBA) she had to take 2 years of education courses and do a year of unpaid student teaching before she was credentialed for CA.
A good friend has a similar story. Worked sales and had a business degree, then went and got a teaching credential… it was a few years of education classes then a year of unpaid student teaching.
Both my sister and friend made the choice to give up better paying jobs specifically to become teachers. Some people love teaching, put in 80 hour weeks as teachers. They’re both type A type people. They put their all into teaching.
I can’t speak for other districts – but San Diego Unified is reducing the number of teachers. They’ve increased class sizes due to budget cuts and will likely be increasing sizes even more for the 2011/12 school year. What does that mean? They aren’t hiring new teachers.[/quote]
Just saw your post, UCGal. Yes, this is what I’m familiar with as well. I also went from a higher-paying job in the private sector to teaching.
February 4, 2011 at 2:42 AM #663384Participant[quote=UCGal]My sister switched to teaching in her 30’s (after getting an MBA and working in business for most of her 20’s). Despite having a masters (MBA) she had to take 2 years of education courses and do a year of unpaid student teaching before she was credentialed for CA.
A good friend has a similar story. Worked sales and had a business degree, then went and got a teaching credential… it was a few years of education classes then a year of unpaid student teaching.
Both my sister and friend made the choice to give up better paying jobs specifically to become teachers. Some people love teaching, put in 80 hour weeks as teachers. They’re both type A type people. They put their all into teaching.
I can’t speak for other districts – but San Diego Unified is reducing the number of teachers. They’ve increased class sizes due to budget cuts and will likely be increasing sizes even more for the 2011/12 school year. What does that mean? They aren’t hiring new teachers.[/quote]
Just saw your post, UCGal. Yes, this is what I’m familiar with as well. I also went from a higher-paying job in the private sector to teaching.
February 4, 2011 at 2:42 AM #663722Participant[quote=UCGal]My sister switched to teaching in her 30’s (after getting an MBA and working in business for most of her 20’s). Despite having a masters (MBA) she had to take 2 years of education courses and do a year of unpaid student teaching before she was credentialed for CA.
A good friend has a similar story. Worked sales and had a business degree, then went and got a teaching credential… it was a few years of education classes then a year of unpaid student teaching.
Both my sister and friend made the choice to give up better paying jobs specifically to become teachers. Some people love teaching, put in 80 hour weeks as teachers. They’re both type A type people. They put their all into teaching.
I can’t speak for other districts – but San Diego Unified is reducing the number of teachers. They’ve increased class sizes due to budget cuts and will likely be increasing sizes even more for the 2011/12 school year. What does that mean? They aren’t hiring new teachers.[/quote]
Just saw your post, UCGal. Yes, this is what I’m familiar with as well. I also went from a higher-paying job in the private sector to teaching.
February 4, 2011 at 3:13 AM #662588ParticipantMy suggestions for fixing California’s budget problems:
1. Roll back the pension boost enacted by Gray Davis (and friends) to from 3% @XX to 2% @ 55 for public safety workers. I’m an ardent supporter of defined-benefit pension plans, but this increase was totally irresponsible, and I said so back then. Because this increase has been there for so long, and because many older workers have adjusted their finances because of it, those with 10 years or less left before retirement will need a lump payment, perhaps of $50K-$150K (a drop in the bucket when compared to the relative savings) in order to make up for the fact that they are too close to retirement to make up the difference.
2. Cut pay of municipal and state workers by 10%, if they haven’t already been cut (many have).
3. Get serious about illegal immigration, and either demand that the federal government supports all of the illegals and their children, OR charge the employers of illegal immigrants for **every single benefit** used by their workers AND their dependents (legal or not), and include infrastrucuture expenses AND the expenses related to administering this program.
[If we “fix” the illegal immigration problem, it will eliminate about 25-40% of the costs associated with education and prisons, and possibly “welfare” programs — all of these being the largest expenses in the state.]
4. Get rid of Prop 13 protection for all residences except a SINGLE, primary residence. Eliminate inheritability of Prop 13 protection IF the heir intends to “step-up” the cost basis upon death of a parent.
5. Get rid of Prop 13 protection for all commercial properties except for a SINGLE property (held by an individual or a trust/LLC controlled by that person). Eliminate the ability to pass Prop 13 protection from seller to buyer via corporate/LLC loopholes.
Once those things are done, see where everything stands, and then raise certain taxes, if necessary. I have a feeling we’d end up with a surplus if we enacted the changes noted above, though.
February 4, 2011 at 3:13 AM #662649ParticipantMy suggestions for fixing California’s budget problems:
1. Roll back the pension boost enacted by Gray Davis (and friends) to from 3% @XX to 2% @ 55 for public safety workers. I’m an ardent supporter of defined-benefit pension plans, but this increase was totally irresponsible, and I said so back then. Because this increase has been there for so long, and because many older workers have adjusted their finances because of it, those with 10 years or less left before retirement will need a lump payment, perhaps of $50K-$150K (a drop in the bucket when compared to the relative savings) in order to make up for the fact that they are too close to retirement to make up the difference.
2. Cut pay of municipal and state workers by 10%, if they haven’t already been cut (many have).
3. Get serious about illegal immigration, and either demand that the federal government supports all of the illegals and their children, OR charge the employers of illegal immigrants for **every single benefit** used by their workers AND their dependents (legal or not), and include infrastrucuture expenses AND the expenses related to administering this program.
[If we “fix” the illegal immigration problem, it will eliminate about 25-40% of the costs associated with education and prisons, and possibly “welfare” programs — all of these being the largest expenses in the state.]
4. Get rid of Prop 13 protection for all residences except a SINGLE, primary residence. Eliminate inheritability of Prop 13 protection IF the heir intends to “step-up” the cost basis upon death of a parent.
5. Get rid of Prop 13 protection for all commercial properties except for a SINGLE property (held by an individual or a trust/LLC controlled by that person). Eliminate the ability to pass Prop 13 protection from seller to buyer via corporate/LLC loopholes.
Once those things are done, see where everything stands, and then raise certain taxes, if necessary. I have a feeling we’d end up with a surplus if we enacted the changes noted above, though.
February 4, 2011 at 3:13 AM #663252ParticipantMy suggestions for fixing California’s budget problems:
1. Roll back the pension boost enacted by Gray Davis (and friends) to from 3% @XX to 2% @ 55 for public safety workers. I’m an ardent supporter of defined-benefit pension plans, but this increase was totally irresponsible, and I said so back then. Because this increase has been there for so long, and because many older workers have adjusted their finances because of it, those with 10 years or less left before retirement will need a lump payment, perhaps of $50K-$150K (a drop in the bucket when compared to the relative savings) in order to make up for the fact that they are too close to retirement to make up the difference.
2. Cut pay of municipal and state workers by 10%, if they haven’t already been cut (many have).
3. Get serious about illegal immigration, and either demand that the federal government supports all of the illegals and their children, OR charge the employers of illegal immigrants for **every single benefit** used by their workers AND their dependents (legal or not), and include infrastrucuture expenses AND the expenses related to administering this program.
[If we “fix” the illegal immigration problem, it will eliminate about 25-40% of the costs associated with education and prisons, and possibly “welfare” programs — all of these being the largest expenses in the state.]
4. Get rid of Prop 13 protection for all residences except a SINGLE, primary residence. Eliminate inheritability of Prop 13 protection IF the heir intends to “step-up” the cost basis upon death of a parent.
5. Get rid of Prop 13 protection for all commercial properties except for a SINGLE property (held by an individual or a trust/LLC controlled by that person). Eliminate the ability to pass Prop 13 protection from seller to buyer via corporate/LLC loopholes.
Once those things are done, see where everything stands, and then raise certain taxes, if necessary. I have a feeling we’d end up with a surplus if we enacted the changes noted above, though.
February 4, 2011 at 3:13 AM #663389ParticipantMy suggestions for fixing California’s budget problems:
1. Roll back the pension boost enacted by Gray Davis (and friends) to from 3% @XX to 2% @ 55 for public safety workers. I’m an ardent supporter of defined-benefit pension plans, but this increase was totally irresponsible, and I said so back then. Because this increase has been there for so long, and because many older workers have adjusted their finances because of it, those with 10 years or less left before retirement will need a lump payment, perhaps of $50K-$150K (a drop in the bucket when compared to the relative savings) in order to make up for the fact that they are too close to retirement to make up the difference.
2. Cut pay of municipal and state workers by 10%, if they haven’t already been cut (many have).
3. Get serious about illegal immigration, and either demand that the federal government supports all of the illegals and their children, OR charge the employers of illegal immigrants for **every single benefit** used by their workers AND their dependents (legal or not), and include infrastrucuture expenses AND the expenses related to administering this program.
[If we “fix” the illegal immigration problem, it will eliminate about 25-40% of the costs associated with education and prisons, and possibly “welfare” programs — all of these being the largest expenses in the state.]
4. Get rid of Prop 13 protection for all residences except a SINGLE, primary residence. Eliminate inheritability of Prop 13 protection IF the heir intends to “step-up” the cost basis upon death of a parent.
5. Get rid of Prop 13 protection for all commercial properties except for a SINGLE property (held by an individual or a trust/LLC controlled by that person). Eliminate the ability to pass Prop 13 protection from seller to buyer via corporate/LLC loopholes.
Once those things are done, see where everything stands, and then raise certain taxes, if necessary. I have a feeling we’d end up with a surplus if we enacted the changes noted above, though.
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