Sunrise powerlink project

[not-so-average-joe]

Sorry if I am asking an already covered topic,
but I am wondering whether the newly planned power
lines of the SDG&E Sunrise Powerlink project would
have a negative impact in Carmel Valley and Rancho
Penasquitos markets; if so, how much.

For example, Torrey Hills in Carmel Valley has
a huge power station, but as FLU mentioned the other
day, the market there apparently has been holding on
pretty well. I’m curious if the power line impact
is already factored into the market, or it will work
as a time bomb.

[Coronita]

I'll offer my 2 cents worth. Imho, the sunrise powerlink (if approved) won't cause any significant depreciation to occur in CV by itself. Frankly, a lot of these negative landmarks are already part of Torrey Hills :)…At most if would affect a few select communities which frankly are already affected being in an undesirable location right next to power lines. Good locations in Torrey Hills or for that matter, the rest of CV, are still good locations. Depreciation, though, will most likely occur….just due to other factors (economy related). But I don't you'll get the extra drop just because of this power link, unless you really want to buy in the communities right next to power lines.

As far as resale right now, I can tell you the home being sold in SeaRidge, on the corner of e. ocean air is having a tough time,

MLS#071073082 : 10575 CORTE JARDIN DEL MAR
http://sandiego.houserebate.com/search/homeview.asp?id=1673948&p3=-1&ix=43

because this one has HV line towers right behind it. And funny thing is, this community is considered to be in a fire hazard zone by several homeowners insurance companies.. But if you go take a look at this home, you would understand why it's such a problem child, and not representative of the rest of Torrey Hills or CV. The house looks great, but the location is absolutely terrible. Never mind that you probably can see the ocean from your front yard, you can hear the crackle of the power lines behind you. And the owner evidently forgot that electricity and water don't mix when he/she decided to put a pool in there. Perhaps I'm just the paranoid parent I am, but I wouldn't want to get paid to live in that home, let alone buy it.

But as far as the rest of the community, these power lines (and other interesting "landmarks" that I discuss later) have not thwarted people from buying in Torrey Hills or the rest of CV for that matter,both pre-bubble economy, and post-bubble economy.

Just to give you a background, part of Torrey Hills use to be SDGE land that was sold to developers if I'm not mistaken. There are a lot of power lines in particular areas, a few of the communities run really close (and I mean really close) to HV lines on 40+feet mast towers. In addition, there are plenty of places when HV are buried in the ground, as you can tell from the red cone markers that warn you not to dig there. In addition, a petroleum pipeline and a natural gas line also runs near the switching station, as marked by the yellow colored cones that warn you not to dig there. Most of the communities are far away from this, and the only issue is really it's an eye-sore. My understanding of the sunrise power link is that it will add additional lines to existing towers and/or require some of these existing towers to be replaced with more towers alone the route. The presumption would be though that SDGE would need to bury the lines where SDGE currently has parts of the HV links buried… Unlike other areas(Ramona/RP/etc) which are protesting because SDGE is adding new lines, in Torrey Hills, lines already exist. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if SDGE makes some concessions with CV to bury additional lines to make the sunrise link go through, which would be aesthetically appealing to residents (they won't be able to bury the switching points though). Personally, if you're concerned about EMF and any possible associations to leukemia, I'm not sure that having lines buried 7-8 feet below you would be better than having lines that are 40+ feet above you…. But that's another topic for discussion.

 

BTW: since we're on the topic of special landmarks in Torrey Hills, I might add there is a nice cell phone tower right behind torrey hills park and torrey hills elementary school, which judging by the way it looks, is used by all of the major cell phone carriers. The T1 backhaul which carries the cell phone calls to a traditional switch is probably not a land-based line, but probably uses a microwave link, based on some of acthe equipment that is positioned around the tower. If one were to be concerned about cell phone radiation from towers, you shouldn't be living in torrey hills, because cell phone tower is pretty much in the center of a good portion of the Torrey Hills community.

That was actually one of my wife's and I's concern, prior to moving in…and we almost backed out because of it. However, being it that my wife works at qualcomm (and I use to work at qualcomm as well), where we were(are) routinely blasted daily with cell phone radiation in labs and roofs at much closer range and intensity, it didn't seem to be that much of our concern. Just to be sure, we did grab a few test buddies in this industry to do a measurement of radiation from our home, and it was pretty much a joke. …Even if they do find this to be a medical concern in the future, I'm sure our tumors will be from yapping on the cell phones near our brain, versus what comes out of the cell phone tower a couple of hundred yards away and a few yard up. The only other concern was the microwave links I mentioned, which supposedly could lead to infertility if exposed to people. Well, I proved that wasn't a problem recently. I do notice though, that it's rare I get a dropped call from my cell when used at home 🙂

 

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[Anonymous]

If you are concerned about cell phone radiation, then it is better to be as close as possible to a base station.

By far the primary radiation danger comes from the antenna next to your skull. It makes sense by physics, since that is
where the highest radiation intensity is because of the smallest distance. Nobody holds their head up against a base station antenna for hours.

Also think about it the other way around, why would a base station need to emit more radiofrequency power to transmit to your phone than your phone would need to transmit back?

The most important point however, is that phone handsets and base stations do automatic power adjustment: they use the minimum power necessary to talk to one another and they dynamically adjust it based on conditions.

So if you have a base station nearby and you have ‘five bars’, then your phone might emit a milliwatt. But if you have one or two bars if you’re further, then the phone could well emit a watt or two, right next to your brain.

By far that is the most critical parameter for human exposure to cell phone radiation.

So, if you are concerned about cell phone safety

1) use a wired (not wireless) headset and keep your phone antenna away from your skull

2) insist that base stations be put as close as reasonably possible

[Coronita]

DrChaos ,

Thank you, but I assure you, I know how cell phones work (to some varying shape or form) 🙂 Though, in practice, I'm allowed to be paranoid even beyond scientific data or knowledge.

Not an RF engineer, but I believe it's safer to be further away from the base station, as i recall the power is inverse proportional to the distance squared. I've considered lining my home with EMF shielding, but I figured that would have caused issues with my WIFI network 🙂

 

 

 

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[newcomer]

with 20+ years in wireless telecom, I would have the same concerns as fat_lazy_union if I spotted the tx antenna facing towards my future residence, and I would take the same action as fat_lazy_union did.

Some antennas, such as those used for radio and television broadcast transmissions, use power levels that are much higher than those used for cellular and PCS antennas – base stations. Even though all broadcast stations are required to demonstrate compliance with FCC safety guidelines, in some cases there could be a potential for higher levels of RF exposure.

[not-so-average-joe]

FLU et al.

Thanks a lot for sharing your wisdom. Will have to
consult you again on how to shield my home (or at
least my skull) if I ever buy in near there. 🙂

Not so average Joe

[Alex_angel]

Hahahaha. They are worried about attenas but probably all chatter on their cell phones all day. You can’t escape it by not living in CV.

[Alex_angel]

Hahahaha. They are worried about attenas but probably all chatter on their cell phones all day. You can’t escape it by not living in CV.

[Alex_angel]

Hahahaha. They are worried about attenas but probably all chatter on their cell phones all day. You can’t escape it by not living in CV.

[Alex_angel]

Hahahaha. They are worried about attenas but probably all chatter on their cell phones all day. You can’t escape it by not living in CV.

[Alex_angel]

Hahahaha. They are worried about attenas but probably all chatter on their cell phones all day. You can’t escape it by not living in CV.

[not-so-average-joe]

FLU et al.

Thanks a lot for sharing your wisdom. Will have to
consult you again on how to shield my home (or at
least my skull) if I ever buy in near there. 🙂

Not so average Joe

[not-so-average-joe]

FLU et al.

Thanks a lot for sharing your wisdom. Will have to
consult you again on how to shield my home (or at
least my skull) if I ever buy in near there. 🙂

Not so average Joe

[not-so-average-joe]

FLU et al.

Thanks a lot for sharing your wisdom. Will have to
consult you again on how to shield my home (or at
least my skull) if I ever buy in near there. 🙂

Not so average Joe

[not-so-average-joe]

FLU et al.

Thanks a lot for sharing your wisdom. Will have to
consult you again on how to shield my home (or at
least my skull) if I ever buy in near there. 🙂

Not so average Joe

[newcomer]

with 20+ years in wireless telecom, I would have the same concerns as fat_lazy_union if I spotted the tx antenna facing towards my future residence, and I would take the same action as fat_lazy_union did.

Some antennas, such as those used for radio and television broadcast transmissions, use power levels that are much higher than those used for cellular and PCS antennas – base stations. Even though all broadcast stations are required to demonstrate compliance with FCC safety guidelines, in some cases there could be a potential for higher levels of RF exposure.

[newcomer]

with 20+ years in wireless telecom, I would have the same concerns as fat_lazy_union if I spotted the tx antenna facing towards my future residence, and I would take the same action as fat_lazy_union did.

Some antennas, such as those used for radio and television broadcast transmissions, use power levels that are much higher than those used for cellular and PCS antennas – base stations. Even though all broadcast stations are required to demonstrate compliance with FCC safety guidelines, in some cases there could be a potential for higher levels of RF exposure.

[newcomer]

with 20+ years in wireless telecom, I would have the same concerns as fat_lazy_union if I spotted the tx antenna facing towards my future residence, and I would take the same action as fat_lazy_union did.

Some antennas, such as those used for radio and television broadcast transmissions, use power levels that are much higher than those used for cellular and PCS antennas – base stations. Even though all broadcast stations are required to demonstrate compliance with FCC safety guidelines, in some cases there could be a potential for higher levels of RF exposure.

[newcomer]

with 20+ years in wireless telecom, I would have the same concerns as fat_lazy_union if I spotted the tx antenna facing towards my future residence, and I would take the same action as fat_lazy_union did.

Some antennas, such as those used for radio and television broadcast transmissions, use power levels that are much higher than those used for cellular and PCS antennas – base stations. Even though all broadcast stations are required to demonstrate compliance with FCC safety guidelines, in some cases there could be a potential for higher levels of RF exposure.

[Anonymous]

“Not an RF engineer, but I believe it’s safer to be further away from the base station, as i recall the power is inverse proportional to the distance squared.”

Indeed it is in free space. Assuming the input transmission power provided to the antenna is held constant.

It is so with radio and TV, which emit thousands of watts.

The point is that cell phones are different in fundamental ways: there is two way, not one way communication, both transmitters continuously adjust their emitted physical power over a very wide range to compensate for the distance between the two (this is not widely appreciated or understood), and the transmitter near your head is the most hazardous one.

[patientlywaiting]

I know nothing about RF. How does a home wifi network affect exposure to radiation? I have two of those routers at home.

[Coronita]

Patientlywaiting,

There hasn’t been any conclusive evidence that cell phones,wifi, cordless phone,bluetooth, etc is or is not a health hazard.

It’s really anyone’s guess but most of these devices operate on lower power than say a broadcast station. Like I said, torrey hills elementary is pretty close to the cell tower, it hasn’t been a concern to residence, and considering the api tests from there are pretty hi(third I think in sd), it’s probably not of concern.( Perhaps it makes the kids smarter? Just kidding)

Power from things like wifi, cordless devices are pretty weak, furthermore, the power gets attenuated quickly over distances and through barriers like walls, etc. So unless your using your router as a pacifier, it’s probably not an issue.
if you wanted to live in fear, you’d end up living in the dark ages. That said, since giving up these toys isn’t really an option, if you’re really worried about it, just put the wireless router as far away as feasible from where people are. I haven’t relocated my wifi router, but will because it’s pretty close to where my infant sleeps.
…Just in case.

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[Coronita]

Patientlywaiting,

There hasn’t been any conclusive evidence that cell phones,wifi, cordless phone,bluetooth, etc is or is not a health hazard.

It’s really anyone’s guess but most of these devices operate on lower power than say a broadcast station. Like I said, torrey hills elementary is pretty close to the cell tower, it hasn’t been a concern to residence, and considering the api tests from there are pretty hi(third I think in sd), it’s probably not of concern.( Perhaps it makes the kids smarter? Just kidding)

Power from things like wifi, cordless devices are pretty weak, furthermore, the power gets attenuated quickly over distances and through barriers like walls, etc. So unless your using your router as a pacifier, it’s probably not an issue.
if you wanted to live in fear, you’d end up living in the dark ages. That said, since giving up these toys isn’t really an option, if you’re really worried about it, just put the wireless router as far away as feasible from where people are. I haven’t relocated my wifi router, but will because it’s pretty close to where my infant sleeps.
…Just in case.

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[Coronita]

Patientlywaiting,

There hasn’t been any conclusive evidence that cell phones,wifi, cordless phone,bluetooth, etc is or is not a health hazard.

It’s really anyone’s guess but most of these devices operate on lower power than say a broadcast station. Like I said, torrey hills elementary is pretty close to the cell tower, it hasn’t been a concern to residence, and considering the api tests from there are pretty hi(third I think in sd), it’s probably not of concern.( Perhaps it makes the kids smarter? Just kidding)

Power from things like wifi, cordless devices are pretty weak, furthermore, the power gets attenuated quickly over distances and through barriers like walls, etc. So unless your using your router as a pacifier, it’s probably not an issue.
if you wanted to live in fear, you’d end up living in the dark ages. That said, since giving up these toys isn’t really an option, if you’re really worried about it, just put the wireless router as far away as feasible from where people are. I haven’t relocated my wifi router, but will because it’s pretty close to where my infant sleeps.
…Just in case.

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[Coronita]

Patientlywaiting,

There hasn’t been any conclusive evidence that cell phones,wifi, cordless phone,bluetooth, etc is or is not a health hazard.

It’s really anyone’s guess but most of these devices operate on lower power than say a broadcast station. Like I said, torrey hills elementary is pretty close to the cell tower, it hasn’t been a concern to residence, and considering the api tests from there are pretty hi(third I think in sd), it’s probably not of concern.( Perhaps it makes the kids smarter? Just kidding)

Power from things like wifi, cordless devices are pretty weak, furthermore, the power gets attenuated quickly over distances and through barriers like walls, etc. So unless your using your router as a pacifier, it’s probably not an issue.
if you wanted to live in fear, you’d end up living in the dark ages. That said, since giving up these toys isn’t really an option, if you’re really worried about it, just put the wireless router as far away as feasible from where people are. I haven’t relocated my wifi router, but will because it’s pretty close to where my infant sleeps.
…Just in case.

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—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Patientlywaiting,

There hasn’t been any conclusive evidence that cell phones,wifi, cordless phone,bluetooth, etc is or is not a health hazard.

It’s really anyone’s guess but most of these devices operate on lower power than say a broadcast station. Like I said, torrey hills elementary is pretty close to the cell tower, it hasn’t been a concern to residence, and considering the api tests from there are pretty hi(third I think in sd), it’s probably not of concern.( Perhaps it makes the kids smarter? Just kidding)

Power from things like wifi, cordless devices are pretty weak, furthermore, the power gets attenuated quickly over distances and through barriers like walls, etc. So unless your using your router as a pacifier, it’s probably not an issue.
if you wanted to live in fear, you’d end up living in the dark ages. That said, since giving up these toys isn’t really an option, if you’re really worried about it, just put the wireless router as far away as feasible from where people are. I haven’t relocated my wifi router, but will because it’s pretty close to where my infant sleeps.
…Just in case.

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—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[patientlywaiting]

I know nothing about RF. How does a home wifi network affect exposure to radiation? I have two of those routers at home.

[patientlywaiting]

I know nothing about RF. How does a home wifi network affect exposure to radiation? I have two of those routers at home.

[patientlywaiting]

I know nothing about RF. How does a home wifi network affect exposure to radiation? I have two of those routers at home.

[patientlywaiting]

I know nothing about RF. How does a home wifi network affect exposure to radiation? I have two of those routers at home.

[Anonymous]

“Not an RF engineer, but I believe it’s safer to be further away from the base station, as i recall the power is inverse proportional to the distance squared.”

Indeed it is in free space. Assuming the input transmission power provided to the antenna is held constant.

It is so with radio and TV, which emit thousands of watts.

The point is that cell phones are different in fundamental ways: there is two way, not one way communication, both transmitters continuously adjust their emitted physical power over a very wide range to compensate for the distance between the two (this is not widely appreciated or understood), and the transmitter near your head is the most hazardous one.

[Anonymous]

“Not an RF engineer, but I believe it’s safer to be further away from the base station, as i recall the power is inverse proportional to the distance squared.”

Indeed it is in free space. Assuming the input transmission power provided to the antenna is held constant.

It is so with radio and TV, which emit thousands of watts.

The point is that cell phones are different in fundamental ways: there is two way, not one way communication, both transmitters continuously adjust their emitted physical power over a very wide range to compensate for the distance between the two (this is not widely appreciated or understood), and the transmitter near your head is the most hazardous one.

[Anonymous]

“Not an RF engineer, but I believe it’s safer to be further away from the base station, as i recall the power is inverse proportional to the distance squared.”

Indeed it is in free space. Assuming the input transmission power provided to the antenna is held constant.

It is so with radio and TV, which emit thousands of watts.

The point is that cell phones are different in fundamental ways: there is two way, not one way communication, both transmitters continuously adjust their emitted physical power over a very wide range to compensate for the distance between the two (this is not widely appreciated or understood), and the transmitter near your head is the most hazardous one.

[Anonymous]

“Not an RF engineer, but I believe it’s safer to be further away from the base station, as i recall the power is inverse proportional to the distance squared.”

Indeed it is in free space. Assuming the input transmission power provided to the antenna is held constant.

It is so with radio and TV, which emit thousands of watts.

The point is that cell phones are different in fundamental ways: there is two way, not one way communication, both transmitters continuously adjust their emitted physical power over a very wide range to compensate for the distance between the two (this is not widely appreciated or understood), and the transmitter near your head is the most hazardous one.

[Coronita]

DrChaos ,

Thank you, but I assure you, I know how cell phones work (to some varying shape or form) 🙂 Though, in practice, I'm allowed to be paranoid even beyond scientific data or knowledge.

Not an RF engineer, but I believe it's safer to be further away from the base station, as i recall the power is inverse proportional to the distance squared. I've considered lining my home with EMF shielding, but I figured that would have caused issues with my WIFI network 🙂

 

 

 

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[Coronita]

DrChaos ,

Thank you, but I assure you, I know how cell phones work (to some varying shape or form) 🙂 Though, in practice, I'm allowed to be paranoid even beyond scientific data or knowledge.

Not an RF engineer, but I believe it's safer to be further away from the base station, as i recall the power is inverse proportional to the distance squared. I've considered lining my home with EMF shielding, but I figured that would have caused issues with my WIFI network 🙂

 

 

 

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[Coronita]

DrChaos ,

Thank you, but I assure you, I know how cell phones work (to some varying shape or form) 🙂 Though, in practice, I'm allowed to be paranoid even beyond scientific data or knowledge.

Not an RF engineer, but I believe it's safer to be further away from the base station, as i recall the power is inverse proportional to the distance squared. I've considered lining my home with EMF shielding, but I figured that would have caused issues with my WIFI network 🙂

 

 

 

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[Coronita]

DrChaos ,

Thank you, but I assure you, I know how cell phones work (to some varying shape or form) 🙂 Though, in practice, I'm allowed to be paranoid even beyond scientific data or knowledge.

Not an RF engineer, but I believe it's safer to be further away from the base station, as i recall the power is inverse proportional to the distance squared. I've considered lining my home with EMF shielding, but I figured that would have caused issues with my WIFI network 🙂

 

 

 

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[Anonymous]

If you are concerned about cell phone radiation, then it is better to be as close as possible to a base station.

By far the primary radiation danger comes from the antenna next to your skull. It makes sense by physics, since that is
where the highest radiation intensity is because of the smallest distance. Nobody holds their head up against a base station antenna for hours.

Also think about it the other way around, why would a base station need to emit more radiofrequency power to transmit to your phone than your phone would need to transmit back?

The most important point however, is that phone handsets and base stations do automatic power adjustment: they use the minimum power necessary to talk to one another and they dynamically adjust it based on conditions.

So if you have a base station nearby and you have ‘five bars’, then your phone might emit a milliwatt. But if you have one or two bars if you’re further, then the phone could well emit a watt or two, right next to your brain.

By far that is the most critical parameter for human exposure to cell phone radiation.

So, if you are concerned about cell phone safety

1) use a wired (not wireless) headset and keep your phone antenna away from your skull

2) insist that base stations be put as close as reasonably possible

[Anonymous]

If you are concerned about cell phone radiation, then it is better to be as close as possible to a base station.

By far the primary radiation danger comes from the antenna next to your skull. It makes sense by physics, since that is
where the highest radiation intensity is because of the smallest distance. Nobody holds their head up against a base station antenna for hours.

Also think about it the other way around, why would a base station need to emit more radiofrequency power to transmit to your phone than your phone would need to transmit back?

The most important point however, is that phone handsets and base stations do automatic power adjustment: they use the minimum power necessary to talk to one another and they dynamically adjust it based on conditions.

So if you have a base station nearby and you have ‘five bars’, then your phone might emit a milliwatt. But if you have one or two bars if you’re further, then the phone could well emit a watt or two, right next to your brain.

By far that is the most critical parameter for human exposure to cell phone radiation.

So, if you are concerned about cell phone safety

1) use a wired (not wireless) headset and keep your phone antenna away from your skull

2) insist that base stations be put as close as reasonably possible

[Anonymous]

If you are concerned about cell phone radiation, then it is better to be as close as possible to a base station.

By far the primary radiation danger comes from the antenna next to your skull. It makes sense by physics, since that is
where the highest radiation intensity is because of the smallest distance. Nobody holds their head up against a base station antenna for hours.

Also think about it the other way around, why would a base station need to emit more radiofrequency power to transmit to your phone than your phone would need to transmit back?

The most important point however, is that phone handsets and base stations do automatic power adjustment: they use the minimum power necessary to talk to one another and they dynamically adjust it based on conditions.

So if you have a base station nearby and you have ‘five bars’, then your phone might emit a milliwatt. But if you have one or two bars if you’re further, then the phone could well emit a watt or two, right next to your brain.

By far that is the most critical parameter for human exposure to cell phone radiation.

So, if you are concerned about cell phone safety

1) use a wired (not wireless) headset and keep your phone antenna away from your skull

2) insist that base stations be put as close as reasonably possible

[Anonymous]

If you are concerned about cell phone radiation, then it is better to be as close as possible to a base station.

By far the primary radiation danger comes from the antenna next to your skull. It makes sense by physics, since that is
where the highest radiation intensity is because of the smallest distance. Nobody holds their head up against a base station antenna for hours.

Also think about it the other way around, why would a base station need to emit more radiofrequency power to transmit to your phone than your phone would need to transmit back?

The most important point however, is that phone handsets and base stations do automatic power adjustment: they use the minimum power necessary to talk to one another and they dynamically adjust it based on conditions.

So if you have a base station nearby and you have ‘five bars’, then your phone might emit a milliwatt. But if you have one or two bars if you’re further, then the phone could well emit a watt or two, right next to your brain.

By far that is the most critical parameter for human exposure to cell phone radiation.

So, if you are concerned about cell phone safety

1) use a wired (not wireless) headset and keep your phone antenna away from your skull

2) insist that base stations be put as close as reasonably possible

[Coronita]

I'll offer my 2 cents worth. Imho, the sunrise powerlink (if approved) won't cause any significant depreciation to occur in CV by itself. Frankly, a lot of these negative landmarks are already part of Torrey Hills :)…At most if would affect a few select communities which frankly are already affected being in an undesirable location right next to power lines. Good locations in Torrey Hills or for that matter, the rest of CV, are still good locations. Depreciation, though, will most likely occur….just due to other factors (economy related). But I don't you'll get the extra drop just because of this power link, unless you really want to buy in the communities right next to power lines.

As far as resale right now, I can tell you the home being sold in SeaRidge, on the corner of e. ocean air is having a tough time,

MLS#071073082 : 10575 CORTE JARDIN DEL MAR
http://sandiego.houserebate.com/search/homeview.asp?id=1673948&p3=-1&ix=43

because this one has HV line towers right behind it. And funny thing is, this community is considered to be in a fire hazard zone by several homeowners insurance companies.. But if you go take a look at this home, you would understand why it's such a problem child, and not representative of the rest of Torrey Hills or CV. The house looks great, but the location is absolutely terrible. Never mind that you probably can see the ocean from your front yard, you can hear the crackle of the power lines behind you. And the owner evidently forgot that electricity and water don't mix when he/she decided to put a pool in there. Perhaps I'm just the paranoid parent I am, but I wouldn't want to get paid to live in that home, let alone buy it.

But as far as the rest of the community, these power lines (and other interesting "landmarks" that I discuss later) have not thwarted people from buying in Torrey Hills or the rest of CV for that matter,both pre-bubble economy, and post-bubble economy.

Just to give you a background, part of Torrey Hills use to be SDGE land that was sold to developers if I'm not mistaken. There are a lot of power lines in particular areas, a few of the communities run really close (and I mean really close) to HV lines on 40+feet mast towers. In addition, there are plenty of places when HV are buried in the ground, as you can tell from the red cone markers that warn you not to dig there. In addition, a petroleum pipeline and a natural gas line also runs near the switching station, as marked by the yellow colored cones that warn you not to dig there. Most of the communities are far away from this, and the only issue is really it's an eye-sore. My understanding of the sunrise power link is that it will add additional lines to existing towers and/or require some of these existing towers to be replaced with more towers alone the route. The presumption would be though that SDGE would need to bury the lines where SDGE currently has parts of the HV links buried… Unlike other areas(Ramona/RP/etc) which are protesting because SDGE is adding new lines, in Torrey Hills, lines already exist. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if SDGE makes some concessions with CV to bury additional lines to make the sunrise link go through, which would be aesthetically appealing to residents (they won't be able to bury the switching points though). Personally, if you're concerned about EMF and any possible associations to leukemia, I'm not sure that having lines buried 7-8 feet below you would be better than having lines that are 40+ feet above you…. But that's another topic for discussion.

 

BTW: since we're on the topic of special landmarks in Torrey Hills, I might add there is a nice cell phone tower right behind torrey hills park and torrey hills elementary school, which judging by the way it looks, is used by all of the major cell phone carriers. The T1 backhaul which carries the cell phone calls to a traditional switch is probably not a land-based line, but probably uses a microwave link, based on some of acthe equipment that is positioned around the tower. If one were to be concerned about cell phone radiation from towers, you shouldn't be living in torrey hills, because cell phone tower is pretty much in the center of a good portion of the Torrey Hills community.

That was actually one of my wife's and I's concern, prior to moving in…and we almost backed out because of it. However, being it that my wife works at qualcomm (and I use to work at qualcomm as well), where we were(are) routinely blasted daily with cell phone radiation in labs and roofs at much closer range and intensity, it didn't seem to be that much of our concern. Just to be sure, we did grab a few test buddies in this industry to do a measurement of radiation from our home, and it was pretty much a joke. …Even if they do find this to be a medical concern in the future, I'm sure our tumors will be from yapping on the cell phones near our brain, versus what comes out of the cell phone tower a couple of hundred yards away and a few yard up. The only other concern was the microwave links I mentioned, which supposedly could lead to infertility if exposed to people. Well, I proved that wasn't a problem recently. I do notice though, that it's rare I get a dropped call from my cell when used at home 🙂

 

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—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

I'll offer my 2 cents worth. Imho, the sunrise powerlink (if approved) won't cause any significant depreciation to occur in CV by itself. Frankly, a lot of these negative landmarks are already part of Torrey Hills :)…At most if would affect a few select communities which frankly are already affected being in an undesirable location right next to power lines. Good locations in Torrey Hills or for that matter, the rest of CV, are still good locations. Depreciation, though, will most likely occur….just due to other factors (economy related). But I don't you'll get the extra drop just because of this power link, unless you really want to buy in the communities right next to power lines.

As far as resale right now, I can tell you the home being sold in SeaRidge, on the corner of e. ocean air is having a tough time,

MLS#071073082 : 10575 CORTE JARDIN DEL MAR
http://sandiego.houserebate.com/search/homeview.asp?id=1673948&p3=-1&ix=43

because this one has HV line towers right behind it. And funny thing is, this community is considered to be in a fire hazard zone by several homeowners insurance companies.. But if you go take a look at this home, you would understand why it's such a problem child, and not representative of the rest of Torrey Hills or CV. The house looks great, but the location is absolutely terrible. Never mind that you probably can see the ocean from your front yard, you can hear the crackle of the power lines behind you. And the owner evidently forgot that electricity and water don't mix when he/she decided to put a pool in there. Perhaps I'm just the paranoid parent I am, but I wouldn't want to get paid to live in that home, let alone buy it.

But as far as the rest of the community, these power lines (and other interesting "landmarks" that I discuss later) have not thwarted people from buying in Torrey Hills or the rest of CV for that matter,both pre-bubble economy, and post-bubble economy.

Just to give you a background, part of Torrey Hills use to be SDGE land that was sold to developers if I'm not mistaken. There are a lot of power lines in particular areas, a few of the communities run really close (and I mean really close) to HV lines on 40+feet mast towers. In addition, there are plenty of places when HV are buried in the ground, as you can tell from the red cone markers that warn you not to dig there. In addition, a petroleum pipeline and a natural gas line also runs near the switching station, as marked by the yellow colored cones that warn you not to dig there. Most of the communities are far away from this, and the only issue is really it's an eye-sore. My understanding of the sunrise power link is that it will add additional lines to existing towers and/or require some of these existing towers to be replaced with more towers alone the route. The presumption would be though that SDGE would need to bury the lines where SDGE currently has parts of the HV links buried… Unlike other areas(Ramona/RP/etc) which are protesting because SDGE is adding new lines, in Torrey Hills, lines already exist. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if SDGE makes some concessions with CV to bury additional lines to make the sunrise link go through, which would be aesthetically appealing to residents (they won't be able to bury the switching points though). Personally, if you're concerned about EMF and any possible associations to leukemia, I'm not sure that having lines buried 7-8 feet below you would be better than having lines that are 40+ feet above you…. But that's another topic for discussion.

 

BTW: since we're on the topic of special landmarks in Torrey Hills, I might add there is a nice cell phone tower right behind torrey hills park and torrey hills elementary school, which judging by the way it looks, is used by all of the major cell phone carriers. The T1 backhaul which carries the cell phone calls to a traditional switch is probably not a land-based line, but probably uses a microwave link, based on some of acthe equipment that is positioned around the tower. If one were to be concerned about cell phone radiation from towers, you shouldn't be living in torrey hills, because cell phone tower is pretty much in the center of a good portion of the Torrey Hills community.

That was actually one of my wife's and I's concern, prior to moving in…and we almost backed out because of it. However, being it that my wife works at qualcomm (and I use to work at qualcomm as well), where we were(are) routinely blasted daily with cell phone radiation in labs and roofs at much closer range and intensity, it didn't seem to be that much of our concern. Just to be sure, we did grab a few test buddies in this industry to do a measurement of radiation from our home, and it was pretty much a joke. …Even if they do find this to be a medical concern in the future, I'm sure our tumors will be from yapping on the cell phones near our brain, versus what comes out of the cell phone tower a couple of hundred yards away and a few yard up. The only other concern was the microwave links I mentioned, which supposedly could lead to infertility if exposed to people. Well, I proved that wasn't a problem recently. I do notice though, that it's rare I get a dropped call from my cell when used at home 🙂

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

I'll offer my 2 cents worth. Imho, the sunrise powerlink (if approved) won't cause any significant depreciation to occur in CV by itself. Frankly, a lot of these negative landmarks are already part of Torrey Hills :)…At most if would affect a few select communities which frankly are already affected being in an undesirable location right next to power lines. Good locations in Torrey Hills or for that matter, the rest of CV, are still good locations. Depreciation, though, will most likely occur….just due to other factors (economy related). But I don't you'll get the extra drop just because of this power link, unless you really want to buy in the communities right next to power lines.

As far as resale right now, I can tell you the home being sold in SeaRidge, on the corner of e. ocean air is having a tough time,

MLS#071073082 : 10575 CORTE JARDIN DEL MAR
http://sandiego.houserebate.com/search/homeview.asp?id=1673948&p3=-1&ix=43

because this one has HV line towers right behind it. And funny thing is, this community is considered to be in a fire hazard zone by several homeowners insurance companies.. But if you go take a look at this home, you would understand why it's such a problem child, and not representative of the rest of Torrey Hills or CV. The house looks great, but the location is absolutely terrible. Never mind that you probably can see the ocean from your front yard, you can hear the crackle of the power lines behind you. And the owner evidently forgot that electricity and water don't mix when he/she decided to put a pool in there. Perhaps I'm just the paranoid parent I am, but I wouldn't want to get paid to live in that home, let alone buy it.

But as far as the rest of the community, these power lines (and other interesting "landmarks" that I discuss later) have not thwarted people from buying in Torrey Hills or the rest of CV for that matter,both pre-bubble economy, and post-bubble economy.

Just to give you a background, part of Torrey Hills use to be SDGE land that was sold to developers if I'm not mistaken. There are a lot of power lines in particular areas, a few of the communities run really close (and I mean really close) to HV lines on 40+feet mast towers. In addition, there are plenty of places when HV are buried in the ground, as you can tell from the red cone markers that warn you not to dig there. In addition, a petroleum pipeline and a natural gas line also runs near the switching station, as marked by the yellow colored cones that warn you not to dig there. Most of the communities are far away from this, and the only issue is really it's an eye-sore. My understanding of the sunrise power link is that it will add additional lines to existing towers and/or require some of these existing towers to be replaced with more towers alone the route. The presumption would be though that SDGE would need to bury the lines where SDGE currently has parts of the HV links buried… Unlike other areas(Ramona/RP/etc) which are protesting because SDGE is adding new lines, in Torrey Hills, lines already exist. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if SDGE makes some concessions with CV to bury additional lines to make the sunrise link go through, which would be aesthetically appealing to residents (they won't be able to bury the switching points though). Personally, if you're concerned about EMF and any possible associations to leukemia, I'm not sure that having lines buried 7-8 feet below you would be better than having lines that are 40+ feet above you…. But that's another topic for discussion.

 

BTW: since we're on the topic of special landmarks in Torrey Hills, I might add there is a nice cell phone tower right behind torrey hills park and torrey hills elementary school, which judging by the way it looks, is used by all of the major cell phone carriers. The T1 backhaul which carries the cell phone calls to a traditional switch is probably not a land-based line, but probably uses a microwave link, based on some of acthe equipment that is positioned around the tower. If one were to be concerned about cell phone radiation from towers, you shouldn't be living in torrey hills, because cell phone tower is pretty much in the center of a good portion of the Torrey Hills community.

That was actually one of my wife's and I's concern, prior to moving in…and we almost backed out because of it. However, being it that my wife works at qualcomm (and I use to work at qualcomm as well), where we were(are) routinely blasted daily with cell phone radiation in labs and roofs at much closer range and intensity, it didn't seem to be that much of our concern. Just to be sure, we did grab a few test buddies in this industry to do a measurement of radiation from our home, and it was pretty much a joke. …Even if they do find this to be a medical concern in the future, I'm sure our tumors will be from yapping on the cell phones near our brain, versus what comes out of the cell phone tower a couple of hundred yards away and a few yard up. The only other concern was the microwave links I mentioned, which supposedly could lead to infertility if exposed to people. Well, I proved that wasn't a problem recently. I do notice though, that it's rare I get a dropped call from my cell when used at home 🙂

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

I'll offer my 2 cents worth. Imho, the sunrise powerlink (if approved) won't cause any significant depreciation to occur in CV by itself. Frankly, a lot of these negative landmarks are already part of Torrey Hills :)…At most if would affect a few select communities which frankly are already affected being in an undesirable location right next to power lines. Good locations in Torrey Hills or for that matter, the rest of CV, are still good locations. Depreciation, though, will most likely occur….just due to other factors (economy related). But I don't you'll get the extra drop just because of this power link, unless you really want to buy in the communities right next to power lines.

As far as resale right now, I can tell you the home being sold in SeaRidge, on the corner of e. ocean air is having a tough time,

MLS#071073082 : 10575 CORTE JARDIN DEL MAR
http://sandiego.houserebate.com/search/homeview.asp?id=1673948&p3=-1&ix=43

because this one has HV line towers right behind it. And funny thing is, this community is considered to be in a fire hazard zone by several homeowners insurance companies.. But if you go take a look at this home, you would understand why it's such a problem child, and not representative of the rest of Torrey Hills or CV. The house looks great, but the location is absolutely terrible. Never mind that you probably can see the ocean from your front yard, you can hear the crackle of the power lines behind you. And the owner evidently forgot that electricity and water don't mix when he/she decided to put a pool in there. Perhaps I'm just the paranoid parent I am, but I wouldn't want to get paid to live in that home, let alone buy it.

But as far as the rest of the community, these power lines (and other interesting "landmarks" that I discuss later) have not thwarted people from buying in Torrey Hills or the rest of CV for that matter,both pre-bubble economy, and post-bubble economy.

Just to give you a background, part of Torrey Hills use to be SDGE land that was sold to developers if I'm not mistaken. There are a lot of power lines in particular areas, a few of the communities run really close (and I mean really close) to HV lines on 40+feet mast towers. In addition, there are plenty of places when HV are buried in the ground, as you can tell from the red cone markers that warn you not to dig there. In addition, a petroleum pipeline and a natural gas line also runs near the switching station, as marked by the yellow colored cones that warn you not to dig there. Most of the communities are far away from this, and the only issue is really it's an eye-sore. My understanding of the sunrise power link is that it will add additional lines to existing towers and/or require some of these existing towers to be replaced with more towers alone the route. The presumption would be though that SDGE would need to bury the lines where SDGE currently has parts of the HV links buried… Unlike other areas(Ramona/RP/etc) which are protesting because SDGE is adding new lines, in Torrey Hills, lines already exist. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if SDGE makes some concessions with CV to bury additional lines to make the sunrise link go through, which would be aesthetically appealing to residents (they won't be able to bury the switching points though). Personally, if you're concerned about EMF and any possible associations to leukemia, I'm not sure that having lines buried 7-8 feet below you would be better than having lines that are 40+ feet above you…. But that's another topic for discussion.

 

BTW: since we're on the topic of special landmarks in Torrey Hills, I might add there is a nice cell phone tower right behind torrey hills park and torrey hills elementary school, which judging by the way it looks, is used by all of the major cell phone carriers. The T1 backhaul which carries the cell phone calls to a traditional switch is probably not a land-based line, but probably uses a microwave link, based on some of acthe equipment that is positioned around the tower. If one were to be concerned about cell phone radiation from towers, you shouldn't be living in torrey hills, because cell phone tower is pretty much in the center of a good portion of the Torrey Hills community.

That was actually one of my wife's and I's concern, prior to moving in…and we almost backed out because of it. However, being it that my wife works at qualcomm (and I use to work at qualcomm as well), where we were(are) routinely blasted daily with cell phone radiation in labs and roofs at much closer range and intensity, it didn't seem to be that much of our concern. Just to be sure, we did grab a few test buddies in this industry to do a measurement of radiation from our home, and it was pretty much a joke. …Even if they do find this to be a medical concern in the future, I'm sure our tumors will be from yapping on the cell phones near our brain, versus what comes out of the cell phone tower a couple of hundred yards away and a few yard up. The only other concern was the microwave links I mentioned, which supposedly could lead to infertility if exposed to people. Well, I proved that wasn't a problem recently. I do notice though, that it's rare I get a dropped call from my cell when used at home 🙂

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[hawk]

I work in Government and just spoke with SDG&E about Sunrise last week. The CA Public Utilities Commission (CPUC)designated that the preferred route in the Draft Environmental Impact Report excludes Penasquitos entirely and wants it to run through Miramar Road. Additionally, if for some reason the route changed again and it went through PQ, the Council District negotiated with SDG&E to commit to undergrounding that portion of the line.

[hawk]

I work in Government and just spoke with SDG&E about Sunrise last week. The CA Public Utilities Commission (CPUC)designated that the preferred route in the Draft Environmental Impact Report excludes Penasquitos entirely and wants it to run through Miramar Road. Additionally, if for some reason the route changed again and it went through PQ, the Council District negotiated with SDG&E to commit to undergrounding that portion of the line.

[hawk]

I work in Government and just spoke with SDG&E about Sunrise last week. The CA Public Utilities Commission (CPUC)designated that the preferred route in the Draft Environmental Impact Report excludes Penasquitos entirely and wants it to run through Miramar Road. Additionally, if for some reason the route changed again and it went through PQ, the Council District negotiated with SDG&E to commit to undergrounding that portion of the line.

[hawk]

I work in Government and just spoke with SDG&E about Sunrise last week. The CA Public Utilities Commission (CPUC)designated that the preferred route in the Draft Environmental Impact Report excludes Penasquitos entirely and wants it to run through Miramar Road. Additionally, if for some reason the route changed again and it went through PQ, the Council District negotiated with SDG&E to commit to undergrounding that portion of the line.

[hawk]

I work in Government and just spoke with SDG&E about Sunrise last week. The CA Public Utilities Commission (CPUC)designated that the preferred route in the Draft Environmental Impact Report excludes Penasquitos entirely and wants it to run through Miramar Road. Additionally, if for some reason the route changed again and it went through PQ, the Council District negotiated with SDG&E to commit to undergrounding that portion of the line.

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