Solar

[moneymaker]

My solar has produced $4000 in the last 2 years at the 18¢ per KWh rate. Double that amount for the 40¢ rate, so I am very happy with my system and it may even pay for itself sooner than I thought, especially if SDGE keeps raising their rates.

[FlyerInHi]

That’s pretty awesome.
Go solar.

My dream house is a single story house built under a solar canopy array that doubles as shade cover.

[svelte]

just completed our first year with Solar.

Received over $100 back, which means we generated more power than we used for the year.

[Coronita]

So what is the latest on the solar credits. I was talking to someone in the park today that mentioned that while the old program of sdge paying you for unused generated electricity has expired, there is a new 2.0 program that is just as good.

I am tempted to consider solar if prices have fallen.

[utcsox]

Project Sunroof is an interesting tool that you shall take a look at it: https://www.google.com/get/sunroof

[svelte]

[quote=flu]So what is the latest on the solar credits. I was talking to someone in the park today that mentioned that while the old program of sdge paying you for unused generated electricity has expired, there is a new 2.0 program that is just as good…[/quote]

I haven’t kept up very closely since I already have panels, but the reports I have read are conflicting. Some say 2.0 isn’t as good, others are less clear on the topic:

http://nowgosolar.com/time-is-running-out-on-net-energy-metering-in-san-diego/

http://www.pv-magazine.com/news/details/beitrag/california-regulators-approve-net-metering-20_100022989/#axzz42sjAYaUG

“Consensus from the solar industry is that while the decision is a step down from the earlier program, the market will still be able to move forward.”

http://www.pv-magazine.com/news/details/beitrag/environmental–solar-groups-protest-sdges-attempts-to-change-net-metering-20_100023775/#axzz4BQeHkyYk

A 6 month old article:
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/Californias-Net-Metering-2.0-Decision-Rooftop-Solar-to-Keep-Retail-Payme

[ocrenter]

just got an e-mail from Solare Energy regarding the new SDGE rate:

“To put this in perspective, in 2011 tier 1 rates for SDG&E were $0.14 and they currently sit at $0.19. Now, we expect a raise in our electricity rates gradually over time, SDG&E and most California Utility Companies have higher growth rate than the national 1.8%-3.2%. We see on average 6%-7.5% here in SDG&E territory. With the flattening of tiers from 4 to 2, the tier 2 rate of $0.16 in 2011 has increased to $0.39. Tier 4 in 2011 was at $0.31 and tier 3 was at $0.29.”

I verified this and the numbers are legit.

At around 1000 kWh per month the new rate would have cost me $325

With EV-TOU the monthly would be $220.

With solar + EV-TOU, my monthly is a $120 credit.

The spread between the new tiered rate vs solar + EV-TOU is $445, at least during the summer months.

Is SDGE just egging consumers to jump to solar? The higher their rates, the faster people will jump to solar. They do realize that’s bad for business right?

[an]

SDG&E have reached its net metering cap. So, how would that affect EV-TOU?

[ocrenter]

[quote=AN]SDG&E have reached its net metering cap. So, how would that affect EV-TOU?[/quote]

My understanding re: net metering 2.0 is TOU is mandatory and there’s a one time sign up charge of around $135 at the time of installation.

https://www.sunrun.com/solar-by-state/ca/sdge/nem2

[Escoguy]

New rates were approved in July.

[svelte]

[quote=ocrenter]

Is SDGE just egging consumers to jump to solar? The higher their rates, the faster people will jump to solar. They do realize that’s bad for business right?[/quote]

Looks similar to what I see SW companies do all the time. When they see their product is rapidly approaching end of life, they gouge the customer for as much as they can in the short-term, knowing it will take years for their customers to switch over to something open source.

With SDGE, if the power infrastructure is going solar anyway, why wouldn’t they try and maximize their take now while they still have a captive audience?

[ocrenter]

[quote=svelte][quote=ocrenter]

Is SDGE just egging consumers to jump to solar? The higher their rates, the faster people will jump to solar. They do realize that’s bad for business right?[/quote]

Looks similar to what I see SW companies do all the time. When they see their product is rapidly approaching end of life, they gouge the customer for as much as they can in the short-term, knowing it will take years for their customers to switch over to something open source.

With SDGE, if the power infrastructure is going solar anyway, why wouldn’t they try and maximize their take now while they still have a captive audience?[/quote]

I suppose. Although they might be accelerating the process. I’m certainly happy about it since it speeds up the ROI on my PV system.

[an]

[quote=ocrenter]I suppose. Although they might be accelerating the process. I’m certainly happy about it since it speeds up the ROI on my PV system.[/quote]
I think what’s happening is, people like us are causing them to gouge those who can’t get solar. They have to recoup the revenue from somewhere. Not everyone can get solar (poorer areas, people w/ roof that’s facing bad directions, people living in condos, rentals, etc). There are a lot more people in those categories than people like us. So, be blessed that they chose to do it that way and you skirt paying your fair share instead of them charging a flat fee for transmission/grid use. After all, we don’t have backup battery to be completely off grid, so we’re still using their infrastructure, but we don’t have to pay for it.

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=ocrenter]

” With the flattening of tiers from 4 to 2, the tier 2 rate of $0.16 in 2011 has increased to $0.39. ”

I verified this and the numbers are legit.

[/quote]

Where are you getting these rates from? My June electric Bill (before I turned on Solar) had following rates Tier 1 (< 288Kwh): $0.18, Tier 2 (288-374KWh): $0.21 and Tier 3 (>374KWh) : $0.41

[meadandale]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea][quote=ocrenter]

” With the flattening of tiers from 4 to 2, the tier 2 rate of $0.16 in 2011 has increased to $0.39. ”

I verified this and the numbers are legit.

[/quote]

Where are you getting these rates from? My June electric Bill (before I turned on Solar) had following rates Tier 1 (< 288Kwh): $0.18, Tier 2 (288-374KWh): $0.21 and Tier 3 (>374KWh) : $0.41[/quote]

That’s the old rate schedule. This is the current one:

https://www.sdge.com/sites/default/files/regulatory/08-01-16%20Schedule%20DR%20Total%20Rates%20Table.pdf

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