Ross Perot and money

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Ross Perot just died. ..
I guess his economic predictions were all wrong.

On the highway to Vegas there is one dude with a Ross Perot REVOLUTION billboard on his property.

[spdrun]

Were they? Or did blue-collar alienation and rage about being left out of the global economy bring us Trump and Brexit?

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=spdrun]Were they? Or did blue-collar alienation and rage about being left out of the global economy bring us Trump and Brexit?[/quote]

I don’t think the answer to populism is to cater to it.

Blue collar populists were not left out. They just didn’t do proportionally as well as the rich or the new middle class in China. Tech did very well because there is now a global market place. In fact, US internet companies did the best because, with little friction, they can reach across borders into new markets. Shareholders did very well.

Economic liberalism worked extremely well and we now know that Ross Perot’s policies of austerity would have been bad.

[Hobie]

Brian, you really should be cheering Perot. Because of him, we got Bill Clinton. In part, because some of his social views were too progressive (prolife, progay) in a time when that was not popular.

[FlyerInHi]

According to most articles I read, Clinton would have won anyway.

On social issues such as gay equality, why not just have it early than later? Getting it over with would have saved the country all the fighting and it would have made a positive difference to millions of people. It was not even something that cost money. On the contrary, gays are a big market that contributes the economy — win win for everybody. I recently bought a fabulous Nate Berkus sofa at living spaces. Such a quality product at a bargain price.

[temeculaguy]

You’ve never been so wrong and it hurts to read your misguided musings. To help you understand, Bernie liked him, look up the story of Bernie Sanders’ sword which was a gift from Ross. I fondly remember my Perot bumper sticker and I remember reading the book “on the wings of eagles.” You want someone to care about the worker and the working class, you won’t find better.

In other news, Millennials are moving to the suburbs.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/07/08/millennials-are-moving-to-the-suburbs-but-suburbs-cant-keep-up.html?__source=cnbcembedplayer

Nobody is biking to work, nobody uses mass transit and every year fewer do. We waste 70% of transit funds on mass transit for 3.5% of the population that use it. Soy Boys are becoming the bain of our society and the democrats will lose on policy to probably the most offensive president ever because they didn’t learn anything from 2016. Pelosi is doing the right thing to try and silence the progressives because they are a liability. Oh and the deportations of the provisional voters starts Sunday!

Have I hurt your feelings enough, good, you deserved it this time.

I don’t hate Brian but he made me say those things because of his revisionist history about a great American patriot. You do not know Ross, so shut up and sit the hell down. If you or I were 10% of the man that Ross was I would be proud, I will leave this planet without accomplishing a fraction of what he did for others, as will you. That is the reason for the diatribe and the rant, because you have no respect for people who are better than you and you should. Now burn your Che Guevera T shirt and go get a Perot T shirt.

[temeculaguy]

You’ll be a hit at parties, the ultimate independant. Today he would win, had he won in 1992, we would have no national debt and you wouldn’t know where Iraq or Afghanistan are on a map.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=temeculaguy]You’ve never been so wrong and it hurts to read your misguided musings. To help you understand, Bernie liked him, look up the story of Bernie Sanders’ sword which was a gift from Ross. I fondly remember my Perot bumper sticker and I remember reading the book “on the wings of eagles.” You want someone to care about the worker and the working class, you won’t find better.

In other news, Millennials are moving to the suburbs.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/07/08/millennials-are-moving-to-the-suburbs-but-suburbs-cant-keep-up.html?__source=cnbcembedplayer

Nobody is biking to work, nobody uses mass transit and every year fewer do. We waste 70% of transit funds on mass transit for 3.5% of the population that use it. Soy Boys are becoming the bain of our society and the democrats will lose on policy to probably the most offensive president ever because they didn’t learn anything from 2016. Pelosi is doing the right thing to try and silence the progressives because they are a liability. Oh and the deportations of the provisional voters starts Sunday!

Have I hurt your feelings enough, good, you deserved it this time.

I don’t hate Brian but he made me say those things because of his revisionist history about a great American patriot. You do not know Ross, so shut up and sit the hell down. If you or I were 10% of the man that Ross was I would be proud, I will leave this planet without accomplishing a fraction of what he did for others, as will you. That is the reason for the diatribe and the rant, because you have no respect for people who are better than you and you should. Now burn your Che Guevera T shirt and go get a Perot T shirt.[/quote]

soy boy?

ugh. right wing radio offensive language.

https://medium.com/@natzlily28/the-term-soy-boy-is-popular-with-the-far-right-but-heres-why-the-phrase-is-problematic-itself-476eed02f2ce

people function in the system we have. would way more people ride bikes if it were perceived as safer? yeah.

would they prefer not to commute an hour a day each way? yeah.

but its a car, military, commute, oil, obese culture.

the choices are limited by the structure in place

as for economic austerity would individuals be way better off if they didnt drive a car for a few years? yeah

Get Rich With… Bikes

mrmoneymustache for president!

[scaredyclassic]

can things change?

yeah. my parents said weed would never be legal in my lifetime vack during a college days discussion.

now my moms doc is recommending it for pain. society will change when it becomes ridiculous not to …

my memory was all wrong tho. weed has to be the most boring substance ever.

lately i prefer the michelada. low alcohol, good for the prostate, soyfree. true, its provably a nafta inspired conspiracy to get americans to buy more tecate, but jeez, its delicious.

[scaredyclassic]

a really amazing high: deep breathing and sun salutations in yoga class.

wow. powerful rush. heads all buzzing.

yet probably seen as a soyboy feminine type activity.

i liked this podcsdt on why men refuse to do yoga

https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/06/man-up-podcast-terrell-starr-why-men-resist-yoga.html

When Terrell Starr started doing yoga in his 30s, it opened up his mind to new possibilities of what his body could do—not to mention what he could do as a man. He realized he’d been restricting himself not only physically but mentally because of what he’d learned growing up. This week on Man Up, he talks with Aymann about yoga, therapy, and breaking free of social limits.

but for those who love jesus, beware of deep breathing, weird m9vement and emptying the mind. christians maybe should avoid yoga…

https://www.cbn.com/health/fitness/bagby_yoga-alternative.aspx

[spdrun]

Temeculaguy: you seem bitter. Come to NYC, Boston, SF, or DC, plenty of people use public transit, and it could use improvement in the US. Not as many people bike to work in the US as in (say) Amsterdam, but it doesn’t mean that nobody rides.

If by “soyboys” you mean weaklings, who’s the weakling? The person who mostly walks, bikes, or takes transit to work, or the person who sits in a comfy car for 2.5 hours a day while munching on a supersize happy meal?

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=temeculaguy]
Nobody is biking to work, nobody uses mass transit and every year fewer do. We waste 70% of transit funds on mass transit for 3.5% of the population [/quote]

My Wife’s friends she grew up with in Shanghai all have two or three cars (and have moved to newly built suburbs).

Costco is opening a new (first in china) store in the burbs of Shanghai with a large parking lot.

[svelte]

[quote=temeculaguy] You want someone to care about the worker and the working class, you won’t find better.
.[/quote]

Would have to disagree.

There was a point in my life I lived in the Sacramento area and was struggling. EDS (Perot’s company) wanted to hire me to manage a data center there.

They sent me the contract to sign. The pay was poor and there was a clause stating that if I quit within the first year, I would owe the company $3x, two years $2x, and 3 years $1x. Can’t remember what x was but it was a significant part of the salary.

I passed on that offer and shortly thereafter got a great offer doing software development in San Diego. The rest is history. Thank goodness I passed on Ross.

[spdrun]

^^^

Wouldn’t the solution be to get yourself fired? It’s not quitting if you come to work every day with a bad case of diarrhea and soiled pants. If they try to collect the money, sue them under disability laws 😀

[temeculaguy]

Insults hurtled were meant for the person knocking one of my heroes. Heard the soy boy comment from John and Ken mentioning their trips to whole foods and seeing skinny guys afraid of gluten and lamenting that if WW2 were today, we’d lose. But totally beside the point and yet an unintended consequence of my poor choice of ways to illustrate the irony of Brian criticizing Perot.

Let’s look at his resume. Boy scout to Eagle Scout in 13 months and recipient of the DESA award.

Junior college to the Naval Academy (not an easy route) and while there he was a brigade commander and one of the few people that helped establich the honor code in the academy.

My favorite accomplishment was when two of his employees were take hostage in Iran, he paid for and attended their rescue mission by hiring retired special forces veterans. Now that is how a leader of company should treat their employees, he sent them there and he got them back.

Lastly I liked his ideas, he didn’t fit into either party, he was a social liberal and fiscal conservative, a belief system without a party that I still cling to. He was pro choice, believed in federal support for planned parenthood, stricter gun control( but not total gun control and a ban on assault weapons, supported gay rights and more aids research (in 1992 in Texas he was on his own island). He was a fiscal hawk and only supported raising taxes if spending was cut as well with all proceeds going to the debt. He was against NAFTA as he felt jobs would be lost to Mexico and he din’t like foreign wars.

The man has been dead for a short time, he was a good person, and our two party system prevents some of these good people from standing a chance.

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