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August 4, 2017 at 1:42 PM #807461August 4, 2017 at 1:48 PM #807462
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Guest[quote=flu]Like I said. If you really care about the disadvantaged, you would stop talking theory, and start volunteering.[/quote]
C’mon flu, that’s a pretty weak use of logical fallacy.
Tu quoque
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoqueAugust 4, 2017 at 2:47 PM #807465millennial
ParticipantWas going to start quoting people but there are too many points on here that I would like to address.
Firstly – Harvey you are a either a racist (if white), or a complete a-hole!
Ignorant people will use the term “oriental” instead of “Asian” because they don’t know any better, like your mom or maybe someone that lives in the South, or Midwest. That is fine – those people are just ignorant. For you to come back with an etymological rationale of why “Asians” should be OK with the term “oriental” is neither here nor there. You seemingly understand that the term is not correct when referring to “Asian Americans” yet you continue to use the term “Oriental” in reference. Is this because you think you are better? That you have the power to start calling people things after knowing they don’t like to be called it? You are a complete a-hole and if I was at a party with you I would either (a) punch you in the face, or (b) feel bad cause someone else just knocked you the eff out. Would love for you to come to my hometown by Detroit and start throwing the N word around and continue to use it after throwing out the etymological root of the word – would be great!
Secondly, flu get off your high horse. Yeah I get that you volunteer in your kid’s school and that some parents can’t remember 4th or 5th grade math. So what! I can’t remember some of the stuff my 4th grader brings home either and I’m a god damn genius (ha)! To be honest, a lot of the s*it doesn’t matter. Being Asian American, what my role model parents taught me was that grit and self control are way more important. This being said, those kids in Carmel Valley will do fine. Why? Because either their parents are smart,(professionals who understand hard work, good role models (moved to area and paying extra rent so kids can be in a good school), rich (parents can pay for outside tutors), or all of the above. What you don’t understand are places like Detroit, Chicago, or Flint where the kids, teenagers, etc. don’t have role models, money, or smart parents. These kids are so disadvantaged that for them to get an 800 on their SAT would put them in the 95% percentile. Is it there fault? Does it make America a better country when these people fall into a perpetual cycle of poverty with no way out because they were never taught that you need to multiply and divide before adding? My opinion, but maybe you should think about things like this before being all hell bent on destroying any idea similar to affirmative action.
Your viewpoints may be based on when your family immigrated to the US. I understand that a lot of recent Asian immigrants came from educated backgrounds (eg. doctors, nurses, engineers, etc.) which could explain our differences in opinion. My father’s family immigrated from Asia over 100 years ago. Those that did faced many injustices, and worked very hard to fight through them; probably with some help through affirmative action and other social programs. Are they necessary now? Certainly not for some of the rich immigrants coming from abroad. Does it make sense for some new disadvantaged class? Maybe. What makes America great is the possibility that one can move from one social class to another through hard work and grit. With college education playing such an important part, I really think that not assisting those that are disadvantaged is not right and will harm us as a whole.
August 4, 2017 at 2:56 PM #807466
CoronitaParticipant[quote=millennial]Was going to start quoting people but there are too many points on here that I would like to address.
Firstly – Harvey you are a either a racist (if white), or a complete a-hole!
Ignorant people will use the term “oriental” instead of “Asian” because they don’t know any better, like your mom or maybe someone that lives in the South, or Midwest. That is fine – those people are just ignorant. For you to come back with an etymological rationale of why “Asians” should be OK with the term “oriental” is neither here nor there. You seemingly understand that the term is not correct when referring to “Asian Americans” yet you continue to use the term “Oriental” in reference. Is this because you think you are better? That you have the power to start calling people things after knowing they don’t like to be called it? You are a complete a-hole and if I was at a party with you I would either (a) punch you in the face, or (b) feel bad cause someone else just knocked you the eff out. Would love for you to come to my hometown by Detroit and start throwing the N word around and continue to use it after throwing out the etymological root of the word – would be great!
Secondly, flu get off your high horse. Yeah I get that you volunteer in your kid’s school and that some parents can’t remember 4th or 5th grade math. So what! I can’t remember some of the stuff my 4th grader brings home either and I’m a god damn genius (ha)! To be honest, a lot of the s*it doesn’t matter. Being Asian American, what my role model parents taught me was that grit and self control are way more important. This being said, those kids in Carmel Valley will do fine. Why? Because either their parents are smart,(professionals who understand hard work, good role models (moved to area and paying extra rent so kids can be in a good school), rich (parents can pay for outside tutors), or all of the above. What you don’t understand are places like Detroit, Chicago, or Flint where the kids, teenagers, etc. don’t have role models, money, or smart parents. These kids are so disadvantaged that for them to get an 800 on their SAT would put them in the 95% percentile. Is it there fault? Does it make America a better country when these people fall into a perpetual cycle of poverty with no way out because they were never taught that you need to multiply and divide before adding? My opinion, but maybe you should think about things like this before being all hell bent on destroying any idea similar to affirmative action.
Your viewpoints may be based on when your family immigrated to the US. I understand that a lot of recent Asian immigrants came from educated backgrounds (eg. doctors, nurses, engineers, etc.) which could explain our differences in opinion. My father’s family immigrated from Asia over 100 years ago. Those that did faced many injustices, and worked very hard to fight through them; probably with some help through affirmative action and other social programs. Are they necessary now? Certainly not for some of the rich immigrants coming from abroad. Does it make sense for some new disadvantaged class? Maybe. What makes America great is the possibility that one can move from one social class to another through hard work and grit. With college education playing such an important part, I really think that not assisting those that are disadvantaged is not right and will harm us as a whole.[/quote]
fvck you too.
I didn’t bother to read this. Beyond getting off my high horse. No high horse. But
none of you dicks do shit to help out the the situation.I’m out…Bye. Enjoy the next 4 years. You’ve definitely earned them.
August 4, 2017 at 2:59 PM #807467Participant[quote=flu]fvck you too. I’m out…Bye. Enjoy the next 4 years.[/quote]
WTF? Where did I say that I like Trump? The truth of the matter is I despise him. You on the other hand have just proven to be very close minded to other’s opinions. In fact your response kinda had the same tone of a Trump tweet.
August 4, 2017 at 3:13 PM #807469Guest[quote=millennial]Ignorant people will use the term “oriental” instead of “Asian” because they don’t know any better, like your mom or maybe someone that lives in the South, or Midwest. [/quote]
We’ve had some pretty heated debates on this site for years.
But you are certainly the first person to insult someone else’s mother.
L O fucking L!
[quote]Would love for you to come to my hometown by Detroit and start throwing the N word around and continue to use it after throwing out the etymological root of the word – would be great![/quote]
It gets better….YOU ARE CLAIMING STREET CRED!
Glad I checked in one more time today…the absolute best of Piggington right here.
Holy shit, I can’t stop laughing!
August 4, 2017 at 3:15 PM #807468CoronitaParticipant[quote=millennial][quote=flu]fvck you too. I’m out…Bye. Enjoy the next 4 years.[/quote]
WTF? Where did I say that I like Trump? The truth of the matter is I despise him. You on the other hand have just proven to be very close minded to other’s opinions. In fact your response kinda had the same tone of a Trump tweet.[/quote]
You come here to judge. Get off of your rocker thinking you’re open minded. You aren’t. No one posting on this thread is. This is the problem. If people’s opinion don’t jell, you immediately throw the “you’ll close minded” flak (at me)… or you’re a racist flak (at harvey). Nice how labels the far left throw around, huh?
This is EXACTLY the problem politics have. The only good it does is polarizing in america.
I have big issues with affirmative action, because like I said. Why the fvck should my kid have to work twice as hard to get the same results as someone simply because they aren’t asian? I didn’t enslave any african americans, or latinos.. Why am I making reparations for things I didn’t do? I never asked for a quota helping my kid. I just want a level playing field. What the fck is wrong with that?
People like you are exactly the problem why people are sick of the left side.
Even some moderates.I care about my kid’s future. Even if my kid isn’t gifted. If you don’t give a shit, that’s fine. Give up your kid’s admission slot to my kid, for the greater good others.
Don’t volunteer my kid to do it. It’s not your choice to make for my kid.My comments at volunteering BTW were directed at Brian. Because his is a perfect example of talking out of his ass about helping out “poor minorities” but doing so in such way that it doesn’t impact him but screws over anyone else without care. That’s being a selfish POS. Of course, when the tables are turned, and things get thrown at him, he bitches about how unfair things are (like when his neighbors threw a bunch of building inspections and permit requirements for a remodeling he didn’t get approval for)…That’s hypocrisy.
I don’t know what you do or don’t do to help people our, or if you want to. I don’t give a hoot what you do frankly.
August 4, 2017 at 3:20 PM #807470CoronitaParticipant[quote=harvey][quote=millennial]Ignorant people will use the term “oriental” instead of “Asian” because they don’t know any better, like your mom or maybe someone that lives in the South, or Midwest. [/quote]
We’ve had some pretty heated debates on this site for years.
But you are certainly the first person to insult someone else’s mother.
L O fucking L!
[quote]Would love for you to come to my hometown by Detroit and start throwing the N word around and continue to use it after throwing out the etymological root of the word – would be great![/quote]
It gets better….YOU ARE CLAIMING STREET CRED!
Glad I checked in one more time today…the absolute best of Piggington right here.
Holy shit, I can’t stop laughing![/quote]
Three words:
Over sensitive millennial.
I guess I’m just narrow minded…Lol.
I must be a trump lover…. If I don’t agree with affirmative action, I must love trump. and be narrow minded.
Again, and people wonder why trump won? No room for moderation. No room for the middle. It’s not just the press. It’s people. Every single person on this thread is responsible for the shit we are in.
You ignore people’s grievances, whether it’s some white rural guy in nowhere america, or some asian american that feels screwed over by ridiculous affirmative action…one day things blow up.. and what you are left with is something on the alt-other side…..
August 4, 2017 at 3:21 PM #807471ParticipantYes exactly I’m judging you and Harvey. When someone misuses the term “oriental” I inform them. When someone does it purposely and labels you and tells you how you should feel about a word; I call them out. I hope you would do the same for your kids too.
The reason I call you out is because of statements like this.
“Like I said. If you really care about the disadvantaged, you would stop talking theory, and start volunteering. But I am guessing like many that talk about affirmative action and the disadvantaged, very few actual bother to lift a finger to do the real things that would make a difference.”
In this quote it makes you sound like you are assuming that no one volunteers because they don’t agree with your thoughts regarding affirmative action. It also makes you sound like you volunteering time in your son’s classroom somehow validates your credentials and your points.
August 4, 2017 at 3:30 PM #807472CoronitaParticipant[quote=millennial]Yes exactly I’m judging you and Harvey. When someone misuses the term “oriental” I inform them. When someone does it purposely then I call them out. I hope you would do the same for your kids too.
The reason I call you out is because of statements like this.
“Like I said. If you really care about the disadvantaged, you would stop talking theory, and start volunteering. But I am guessing like many that talk about affirmative action and the disadvantaged, very few actual bother to lift a finger to do the real things that would make a difference.”
In this quote it makes you sound like you are assuming that no one volunteers because they don’t agree with your thoughts regarding affirmative action. It also makes you sound like you volunteering time in your son’s classroom somehow validates your credentials and your points.[/quote]
He was being a fvcking smart ass. Are you really making a big deal out of this? Sheesh.
No, I was not assuming no one volunteers. that was your ASS-umption.
I was INSISTING * BRIAN * doesn’t do shit, despite his high chair far left progressive left bullshit that keeps coming out of his mouth…..specifically when it comes to “disadvantaged children”..Notice, brian is dead quiet about this…. He’s going to go into hiding now, because he knows I just called him out on his bullshit. And he hasn’t done shit to help out disadvantaged people ,despite his progressive “higher level of understanding and sympathy”…..
(Still waiting for a response brian…)
Unfortunately, you misread that, and/or you just sided with whatever you wanted to believe in. And then you went off on your high horse about certain people being narrow minded and harvey being a racist.
The irony. Look in the mirror dude. You are part of the problem.
Truthfully, unlike brian, I’m not saying I go out of my way to help disadvantaged children. The only reason why I do it is because (1) it benefits my kid the most and (2) it benefits some of my kid’s friends who happen to not be all from the same background. He and YOU are the one that keeps bring up how we need to help disadvantaged children. I haven’t asked YOU what you have done (I don’t care).. Again, what have you done Brian to do what you preach?
(Cricket’s chirping…)August 4, 2017 at 3:30 PM #807474Participant.
August 4, 2017 at 3:31 PM #807473Participant[quote=harvey]
We’ve had some pretty heated debates on this site for years.
But you are certainly the first person to insult someone else’s mother.
L O fucking L[quote]
Not an insult, just called her ignorant.
First time in a long time that I needed to tell an adult how to behave properly and explain why it’s not right to throw labels at other people. Regardless how they thought.
[quote=harvey]
It gets better….YOU ARE CLAIMING STREET CRED!Glad I checked in one more time today…the absolute best of Piggington right here.
Holy shit, I can’t stop laughing![/quote]
Just trying to help you. If you don’t believe me, why don’t you try and run outside and call every non-pc name in the book. After they say they don’t like it. Go ahead and tell them the meaning and proceed to call them it again. Let me know how it goes. I can’t believe there are people like you in this world still.
August 4, 2017 at 3:33 PM #807475CoronitaParticipant[quote=millennial][quote=harvey]
We’ve had some pretty heated debates on this site for years.
But you are certainly the first person to insult someone else’s mother.
L O fucking L[quote]
Not an insult, just called her ignorant.
First time in a long time that I needed to tell an adult how to behave properly and explain why it’s not right to throw labels at other people. Regardless how they thought.
[quote=harvey]
It gets better….YOU ARE CLAIMING STREET CRED!Glad I checked in one more time today…the absolute best of Piggington right here.
Holy shit, I can’t stop laughing![/quote]
Just trying to help you. If you don’t believe me, why don’t you try and run outside and call every non-pc name in the book. After they say they don’t like it. Go ahead and tell them the meaning and proceed to call them it again. Let me know how it goes. I can’t believe there are people like you in this world still.[/quote]
Help??? Is that what you call it? Seriously?
Hasn’t it occur to you some older people are oblivious? I guess you missed my point above between being ignorant offensive versus being subtle and intentionally offensive…
August 4, 2017 at 3:35 PM #807476Guest[quote]Yes exactly I’m judging you and Harvey. When someone misuses the term “oriental” I inform them. When someone does it purposely and labels you and tells you how you should feel about a word; I call them out. I hope you would do the same for your kids too.[/quote]
Nah, I let my asian wife handle disciplining the kids.
(Did I say that right?)
[quote=millennial]The reason I call you out is because of statements like this.
“Like I said. If you really care about the disadvantaged, you would stop talking theory, and start volunteering. But I am guessing like many that talk about affirmative action and the disadvantaged, very few actual bother to lift a finger to do the real things that would make a difference.”
[Lecture omitted for brevity]
[/quote]Lol, try reading again.
I didn’t post that. Blinded by your indignity?
So tell us, guardian of cultural sensitivity: Do you know when Americans stopped using the term “oriental” to describe ethnic origin and started adopting the term “asian?”
(Still laughing at the street cred….gonna fire up some urban rap music while I wait for your response….)
August 4, 2017 at 3:41 PM #807477Participant[quote=flu]The irony. Look in the mirror dude. You are part of the problem.[/quote]
No people like you are the problem. You use rationale like “I help kids at my son’s school” as support to an argument. Give me a break. Finally you agreed that the only reason is for ME, ME, ME. I think that’s where we differ in opinion. This is not a Trump thing, or left or right thing, it’s a selfish thing. Maybe it’s a difference in culture, or the way we were brought up. It’s OK, there are many many more people that feel and act the way you do.
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