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August 3, 2017 at 9:24 AM #807425August 3, 2017 at 9:32 AM #807426
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Your and Harvey’s responses are disturbing. Really you aren’t arguing, just calling me out as a liar because I said I don’t watch the news but have an opinion on the bias in the media. Kind of annoying.[/quote]
I believe that you don’t watch fox news (anymore). I’m not pointing out that you claim not to watch fox news while simultaneously opining as to fox’s bias as it relates to other stations’ bias to call you out as a liar. I’m pointing it out to discredit your opinion that fox is no more nor less biased than other stations. If you don’t watch it, how can your opinion be valid?
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You are just as blind to the bias of the stations that spew what you want to hear as the Fox watchers, methinks.[/quote]
If you don’t watch tv news, then how do you know what any stations are “spewing?”
I only very rarely watch tv news, and then only for the specific purpose of monitoring its bias. There is so much emotion thrown at you (even when there’s no bias), and I can’t stand that. I get virtually all my news online, and most of that from the New York Times and the Washington Post. Peerless reporting that tries to get to the bottom of things without the clear agenda of outlets like fox.
August 3, 2017 at 9:35 AM #807427livinincali
ParticipantHere’s a pew research study from 2014 that goes really in depth to the topic of how people consume media.
Seems like Fox News in general is about as far right as as liberal outlets like Huff Post, Washington Post, etc. but some of the individual programs on Fox News are extremely to the right so maybe it’s not regular old Fox news that’s so extreme in it’s bias. It’s The Sean Hannity show on Fox News and that being equated to all of Fox news.
According the the study it seemed like The Wall Street Journal is viewed as the least biased.
August 3, 2017 at 9:40 AM #807428FlyerInHi
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Compare the New York Times and the Washington Post with fox news. If you see anything remotely similar… well, there’s no helping you.[/quote]
I should add that NYT and WP are neither liberal nor leftwing. Any honest observer would agree that they are as establishment as the press comes. I read them simply because they are establishment.
Calling them liberal clearly redefines left vs right. Zk, you didn’t do that; I think you simply meant to contrast the journalistic standards.
August 3, 2017 at 9:51 AM #807431GuestHa, the Economist is liberal? It’s so corporate oriented.
The right wing in USA is so weird now. It’s more lower education populist than traditional buttoned down, stuffy conservative.
Let us define left wing, right wing, liberal and conservative then we can correspondingly match the press
August 3, 2017 at 9:58 AM #807432Anonymous
Guest[quote=sdduuuude]Your and Harvey’s responses are disturbing. Really you aren’t arguing, just calling me out as a liar because I said I don’t watch the news but have an opinion on the bias in the media. Kind of annoying.[/quote]
We pointed out that you offer no evidence except your own personal observations and then contradicted your own claims within a few sentences.
And now you are butthurt because you’ve been called out on the obvious BS.
You’ve got the pattern down perfectly.
[quote]You are just as blind to the bias of the stations that spew what you want to hear as the Fox watchers, methinks.[/quote]
Holy shit, you are still doing it.
August 3, 2017 at 10:00 AM #807433
CoronitaParticipantRegarding the affirmative action lawsuit….. It’s a lawsuit over Harvard admissions process filed by an asian american group….
Instead, Flores said the department was looking for lawyers to investigate a 2015 complaint filed with the Department of Education over Harvard University’s race-based quota system. The complaint alleges the Ivy-League school requires Asian students to have SAT scores 140 points higher than white students, 270 points higher than Hispanics and 450 points higher than black students
August 3, 2017 at 10:22 AM #807434Guest[quote=livinincali]Seems like Fox News in general is about as far right as as liberal outlets like Huff Post, Washington Post, etc. but some of the individual programs on Fox News are extremely to the right so maybe it’s not regular old Fox news that’s so extreme in it’s bias. It’s The Sean Hannity show on Fox News and that being equated to all of Fox news.[/quote]
I’ve seen these comparisons done before and although they provide some interesting data they seem to neglect the size and influence of the organizations. That graph is outright misleading. It’s not the number of news outlets that matter, it’s the overall size and influence – the number of consistent viewers.
Fox News and the conservative talk radio set is huge relative to anything on the “left.” It’s not just the Sean Hannity show on Fox. It’s Oreilly, who was the biggest news show in the US for many years, it’s “Fox and Friends” which is comically biased, again with nothing equivalent on the left. And while left wing talk radio is virtually nonexistent, we all know a few people who have their car radio constantly on KOGO or the equivalent.
The Daily show and Colbert were news? No, they were comedy shows that would mock anything in the news whenever it was absurdly contradictory. It just so happened that the right-wing media gave them far more material.
Example of the day: Trump is going on a 2+ week golf vacation. Let’s pull up the tweets…
"Don't take vacations. What's the point? If you're not enjoying your work, you're in the wrong job." — Think Like A Billionaire
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 19, 2012
August 3, 2017 at 10:37 AM #807435Guest[quote=flu]Regarding the affirmative action lawsuit….. It’s a lawsuit over Harvard admissions process filed by an asian american group….
Instead, Flores said the department was looking for lawyers to investigate a 2015 complaint filed with the Department of Education over Harvard University’s race-based quota system. The complaint alleges the Ivy-League school requires Asian students to have SAT scores 140 points higher than white students, 270 points higher than Hispanics and 450 points higher than black students
[/quote]FLU, that’s very ironic because conservatives believe that private organizations should be able to discriminate as they please.
Plus, Harvard’s affirmative action in to the benefits of Whites, academically mediocre children of alumni, donors, businessmen and politicians.
Trump’s base will regret this because if universities only consider academics, Asians will always have the best grades and test scores. As education is globalized Asian parents who are very tiger will seek out the best schools. Armed with middle class and upper class incomes, they will buy houses near top schools such as the University of Michigan because they are laser focused on education. The California phenomenon will spread across the country.
August 3, 2017 at 10:49 AM #807436Participant[quote=livinincali]Here’s a pew research study from 2014 that goes really in depth to the topic of how people consume media.
Seems like Fox News in general is about as far right as as liberal outlets like Huff Post, Washington Post, etc. but some of the individual programs on Fox News are extremely to the right so maybe it’s not regular old Fox news that’s so extreme in it’s bias. It’s The Sean Hannity show on Fox News and that being equated to all of Fox news.
According the the study it seemed like The Wall Street Journal is viewed as the least biased.[/quote]
You missed one thing which entirely discredits your claims of bias in the reporting of the Washington Post et. al.
That spectrum indicates the ideological profile of the audience of those outlets. It has exactly zero to do with the reporting on those outlets.
August 3, 2017 at 12:03 PM #807437CoronitaParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=flu]Regarding the affirmative action lawsuit….. It’s a lawsuit over Harvard admissions process filed by an asian american group….
Instead, Flores said the department was looking for lawyers to investigate a 2015 complaint filed with the Department of Education over Harvard University’s race-based quota system. The complaint alleges the Ivy-League school requires Asian students to have SAT scores 140 points higher than white students, 270 points higher than Hispanics and 450 points higher than black students
[/quote]Trump’s base will regret this because if universities only consider academics, Asians will always have the best grades and test scores. As education is globalized Asian parents who are very tiger will seek out the best schools. Armed with middle class and upper class incomes, they will buy houses near top schools such as the University of Michigan because they are laser focused on education. The California phenomenon will spread across the country.[/quote]
Yes, that’s exactly how it should be. Completely based on merit. And definitive conclusion that things like SCA5 are illegal and it will never be brought back.
August 3, 2017 at 12:10 PM #807438Guest[quote=zk]
That spectrum indicates the ideological profile of the audience of those outlets. It has exactly zero to do with the reporting on those outlets.[/quote]
The next logical argument is the press pander to their audience.
Breitbart conservative in which way? You need to want to keep certain traditions and established order in order just be conservative. Populist, yes.
August 3, 2017 at 12:34 PM #807439Guest[quote=flu]
Yes, that’s exactly how it should be. Completely based on merit. And definitive conclusion that things like SCA5 are illegal and it will never be brought back.[/quote]
I’m ok with that.
Just pointing out that’s another example of Trump’s base voting against their interests. Which means they will lose in the medium to long term. The Trump base is encouraged now but it will be a Pyrrhic victory.
flu, you’re smart because you know what’s good for you. As an educated person, you know that the future is tilted in favor of those who have objective credentials. Trump’s base is middle-class because of an accident in history (the post war period when American labor had an advantage). But with their high school education only, they won’t hold the high paid new economy job. Even government and corporate jobs are requiring more academic credential. As things are posted online, people will more often ask “why did this C level guy get the job over the A+ guy.”
Trump gave you a win… enjoy it and use it to your advantage. However, keep in mind that Trump panders to his base of entitled asses that don’t believe in merit. If they did they wouldn’t be bitching about coal jobs, they would holding new economy jobs.
There will be a backlash when they realize they’ve been had.August 3, 2017 at 1:29 PM #807440Participant[quote=zk]
You missed one thing which entirely discredits your claims of bias in the reporting of the Washington Post et. al.
That spectrum indicates the ideological profile of the audience of those outlets. It has exactly zero to do with the reporting on those outlets.[/quote]
If you maybe read the first page of the study you’d understand how it was performed, but instead you didn’t. The funny thing is it specific talks about how those on classify themselves as far left/liberal are more likely to block or ban someone with an opposing view point. Pretty much exactly what you are trying to do here. Let’s ban fox news because they disagree with my view point.
It talks about how people who describe themselves as liberal get information from more sources while the conservatives tend to get there news from Fox. There’s some graphs for people in the middle of the spectrum and they seem to go Fox about as much as MSNBC.
You see Fox as having some sort of oversized impact because all the hard core conservatives/right go there while the hard liberal/left spreads it around the left leaning sites. I agree that there isn’t a dominate left leaning new network that the left all gathers around but it is what it is. Just because the left doesn’t have a fox news equivalent for their view point doesn’t mean Fox is destroying the country. They just seized on an opportunity of people consuming media with a selection bias. Conservatives wanted a news channel that agreed with their view point and Fox came along and gave it too them.
August 3, 2017 at 2:00 PM #807441Guest[quote=livinincali]
If you maybe read the first page of the study you’d understand how it was performed, but instead you didn’t.[/quote]Maybe nobody read it because the link in your post doesn’t go to the study.
[quote]The funny thing is it specific talks about how those on classify themselves as far left/liberal are more likely to block or ban someone with an opposing view point.[/quote]
I agree that is probably true, but the reason’s aren’t always a simple “liberals are closed minded.”
First, the Fox news media has become so nonsensical in their arguments that the “opposing viewpoint” is often gibberish. The health care debate is Exhibit A and there’s plenty of evidence linked on the other thread. Basically the opposing viewpoint is simply one of spite. There is actually no coherent policy argument to consider.
And then of course there’s the constant personal attacks. Our current president’s behavior is exhibit B and we’ve already beaten that one to death with evidence.
I actually hold conservative positions on many of the issues but I still find myself constantly cringing when I hear the “Fox News” side of the story. Because they are often so stupid, childish, or bitter. So, yeah. I can understand why some open-minded people are tuning out the right-wing partisans – the viewpoints have devolved into emotionally-based nonsense.
[quote]Pretty much exactly what you are trying to do here. Let’s ban fox news because they disagree with my view point.[/quote]
Aaaaand here we go veering into the bizarro world of alternative facts. Nobody here has ever mentioned banning any press. The only meaningful voice you hear these days trying to limit the free press is Trump’s.
[quote]It talks about how people who describe themselves as liberal get information from more sources while the conservatives tend to get there news from Fox. There’s some graphs for people in the middle of the spectrum and they seem to go Fox about as much as MSNBC.[/quote]
It’s amazing to me that so many insist on arriving at the conclusion that there is some balance in the media, as if some natural force must must make it true.
There’s no law of nature that says “both sides must be the same,” yet people seem to be so uncomfortable with the evidence that shows that they are quite different.
[quote]They [Fox] just seized on an opportunity of people consuming media with a selection bias. Conservatives wanted a news channel that agreed with their view point and Fox came along and gave it too them.[/quote]
They did in the early days of cable TV, back in the early 90s or so, and it was a brilliant business move. But now they’ve evolved into a powerful propaganda tool for one political party. That is is an important distinction.
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