Right-Wing Media are Destroying Our Country

[Anonymous]

All of this nonsense is founded upon the premise that the Russian government and its intelligence apparatus are completely benign toward American national security.

But it’s those “liberals” – the people that sit next to us and cheer along at our kid’s soccer games – the neighbor who brings in your trash cans when you are on vacation but then votes for Hillary – they are the real threat!

That is the incredible and sorely disappointing theme of our time: So many Americans are so easily duped by cheap propaganda from likes of Sean Hannity.

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[quote=SK in CV][quote=ucodegen]
You have never handled classified info – that last sentence is incorrect. They were marked, but may have not been marked as per the standard – location on the text, coloring, background. That does NOT make them unclassified.[/quote]

What makes them unclassified is that the information wasn’t classified.

What makes Clinton’s assertion accurate is that if they weren’t correctly marked classified, then they weren’t marked classified.[/quote]

Last line is lawyer speak, and inaccurate. If they weren’t correctly marked classified, they weren’t correctly marked classified. If you see partial markings to the effect that it is classified – it is to be considered classified until otherwise identified – see my link below.

It is not the markings that make things classified, it is the content. BTW where is the assertion that they weren’t really classified – another false news? From what I remember of the video link sent – Comey confirmed that they were classified.

NOTE:
https://www.archives.gov/isoo/faqs/identifying-handling-classified-records.html

Look at end of first bullet under question 3.

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[quote=SK in CV][quote=ucodegen]
Sorry neither. That said, it has not been shown that Trump has colluded with Russia. However I do think that Russia was in Hillary’s Email server – for a long time, probably set up automated forwarding of all Emails sent and received, going through several proxies. I don’t think they did this for the Election, I think it was in place for some time. However I don’t think they were the ones that released them – how could Russia profit from that? But it is something that could be subject to blackmail, releasing them and it can no longer be used for blackmail.

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Not a single email from Clinton’s server was ever released surreptitiously. Not a single one. There was no evidence that it was ever successfully hacked. Interesting that you think there was. Did fake news help form your impressions of the candidate?[/quote]
Really? I thought the claim was that Russians were the source for the Wikileaks leak of her Emails. How did they get it.. Wikileaks claims that the source was not the Russians – which I tend to believe because Russia does not give away any leverage which they could have over people.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37639370

[ucodegen]

[quote=harvey]All of this nonsense is founded upon the premise that the Russian government and its intelligence apparatus are completely benign toward American national security.[/quote]
Wrong. they are malevolent but skilled. They don’t give away any leverage that they can obtain. Where in anything that I wrote – did I say they were benign? False News. The Russian government prefers blackmail to ‘friends’ or allies because an ally can turn on you, but someone under blackmail can’t without significant damage to themselves. I even wrote that previously, so where do you come up with ‘benign’?

[quote=harvey]But it’s those “liberals” – the people that sit next to us and cheer along at our kid’s soccer games – the neighbor who brings in your trash cans when you are on vacation but then votes for Hillary – they are the real threat!

That is the incredible and sorely disappointing theme of our time: So many Americans are so easily duped by cheap propaganda from likes of Sean Hannity.[/quote]
Ok, you are really off the reservation now.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=ucodegen]
Sorry neither. That said, it has not been shown that Trump has colluded with Russia. However I do think that Russia was in Hillary’s Email server – for a long time, probably set up automated forwarding of all Emails sent and received, going through several proxies. I don’t think they did this for the Election, I think it was in place for some time. However I don’t think they were the ones that released them – how could Russia profit from that? But it is something that could be subject to blackmail, releasing them and it can no longer be used for blackmail.

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Not a single email from Clinton’s server was ever released surreptitiously. Not a single one. There was no evidence that it was ever successfully hacked. Interesting that you think there was. Did fake news help form your impressions of the candidate?[/quote]

SK, there cannot ever be any proof that Hillary’s emails were hacked because the Russians did it and they are holding them for blackmail. We just know.

When it comes to Trump all information is benign because if it weren’t it would be secret for blackmail. The Russian would never be so careless. So it must be a Chinese attempt, in concert with American left-wingers to undermine the president who would make America Great again.

The Chinese cooked the climate change hoax, but Trump was too smart for them. He’ll show them.

Meanwhile the Chinese economy is minting new millionaires everyday. Millionaires who can afford to buy expensive houses in the best schools districts around the world. But don’t worry, it’s fake money.

[SK in CV]

[quote=ucodegen] BTW where is the assertion that they weren’t really classified – another false news? From what I remember of the video link sent – Comey confirmed that they were classified.

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State department said so. Don’t believe me? I don’t give a shit. Doesn’t change anything one bit. They weren’t classified. They weren’t marked classified.

[SK in CV]

[quote=ucodegen]Really? I thought the claim was that Russians were the source for the Wikileaks leak of her Emails. How did they get it.. Wikileaks claims that the source was not the Russians – which I tend to believe because Russia does not give away any leverage which they could have over people.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37639370%5B/quote%5D

You thought wrong. You didn’t read carefully enough. Not a single one of her emails was hacked. Her campaign manager’s were. And they weren’t on her server, they were on aol. Her server was shut down when she left state.

[Anonymous]

[quote=ucodegen]Ok, you are really off the reservation now.[/quote]

Good to see we aren’t living under PC tyranny.

http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/06/29/326690947/should-saying-someone-is-off-the-reservation-be-off-limits

[FlyerInHi]

This is for you ZK, you kind hearted liberal who wants to treat everyone with respect.

“Trump and Republicans treat their voters like morons” because they are morons. The right wing press does the same.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/07/26/trump-and-republicans-treat-their-voters-like-morons/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.d32f13efec57

So Trump tells his base “don’t move, don’t sell your house” because they jobs are coming back bigly. Meanwhile Republicans are pushing for flexibility in labor markets so people are mobile to where the jobs are.

[FlyerInHi]

I don’t think the right wing press is ruining our country as much as uneducated, deplorable parents are.

Imagine the Boy Scouts cheering Trump for the things he said in fronf of them. By all measures Boy Scouts are solidly middle class. Imagine what those scouts are being taught at home.

One thing about Trump is that he’s unmasked a very retrograde segment of our population. We really need to look in the mirror and examine our own neighbors, friends and relatives. They are who they are because we enabled them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/07/25/trump-insults-everything-the-boy-scouts-stand-for/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.ab32bc30f40a

[sdduuuude]

While I agree the Fox propaganda machine is awful, I can’t imagine how anyone can say that the right wing media (Fox) is any different from the left (all others).

I stopped watching the news about 10 years ago. The only exception was the the presidential election this past November.

I was truly disgusted as I flipped between the gloating heads on Fox and the undeniably depressed talking heads on the other channels.

There wasn’t a single unbiased channel to be found that just reported the facts without biased commentary.

As one network was signing off, the whole coverage team made no attempt to hide the fact that they hated Trump and how bummed they were that he had won. It was disgusting – just as disgusting as Fox’s gloating.

One guy went so far as to say that the reason Trump won was because of a “whitelash” – that is white voters rebelling against a black president. Was he saying that all the white voters who voted for Obama suddenly turned racist and voted against a woman because the last President was black. Huh ? Stupidest thing I have ever heard anyone ever say on a news show.

Right and left wing media are not destroying this country. The fact that they exist is a sign that the country is being destroyed. The govt has control and influence in too many things. So much so that media has emerged to attempt to sway the gov in their direction. Take away that influence and the lobbyists and media would disappear.

[FlyerInHi]

Whitelash is real. Pretty strong concensus among sociologists. Very similar to Nixon’s Southern Strategy where Whites were hanging on to cultural pride.

Many areas that Obama won went Trump exactly because of whitelash. Ignore it if you wish…. but overlooking is exactly very PC and not “saying it like it is.” Anyway, history will be the judge.

[zk]

[quote=sdduuuude]While I agree the Fox propaganda machine is awful, I can’t imagine how anyone can say that the right wing media (Fox) is any different from the left (all others).

I stopped watching the news about 10 years ago. The only exception was the the presidential election this past November.

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If you stopped watching the news 10 years ago, how can you say that you “can’t imagine how anyone can say that the right wing media (Fox) is any different from the left (all others).”?

If you’re going by election night, I think you’re missing the reality of what’s happening. Talking heads on non-fox stations were bummed not because a republican won (which could point to them being left-wing) but because an ignorant, lying, cheating, racist, misogynist, xenophobic, dangerous, irresponsible, petty, vindictive, childish demagogue with unknown and probably conflicting (with his job as president) business interests had been elected. Whether you agree with such a person’s policies or not, such a person is not fit for the office of president of the United States.

If you think that “all other” outlets besides fox are left, then you’ve bought what fox has been selling for decades. And you’re a chump. I hate to say that, but there’s no other way to put it.

If you think that “all other” outlets are equally left as fox is right (which, granted, you didn’t say), then you’re even more of a chump.

Compare the New York Times and the Washington Post with fox news. If you see anything remotely similar… well, there’s no helping you.

[Anonymous]

[quote=zk]If you stopped watching the news 10 years ago, how can you say that you “can’t imagine how anyone can say that the right wing media (Fox) is any different from the left (all others).”?[/quote]

You see the same pattern of reasoning over and over:

“I don’t watch Fox news”

A few sentences later they are repeating a Fox talking point, word for word.

[quote]Compare the New York Times and the Washington Post with fox news. If you see anything remotely similar… well, there’s no helping you.[/quote]

Who is the counterpart of Sean Hannity on the left?

We won’t get an answer to that one.

But both sides are the same…

[sdduuuude]

[quote=zk]
If you stopped watching the news 10 years ago, how can you say that you “can’t imagine how anyone can say that the right wing media (Fox) is any different from the left (all others).”?

If you’re going by election night, I think you’re missing the reality of what’s happening.[/quote]

I had a friend who was on the Fox bandwagon. I heard it all from him. I stopped listening to him also.

Also, I channel surf and stop on those stations now and again.

Some of the non-Fox channels were more biased to the liberal side than others. I wasn’t composing my piggington response at the time so I didn’t track each station and their tendencies. .

Your and Harvey’s responses are disturbing. Really you aren’t arguing, just calling me out as a liar because I said I don’t watch the news but have an opinion on the bias in the media. Kind of annoying.

You are just as blind to the bias of the stations that spew what you want to hear as the Fox watchers, methinks.

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