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March 3, 2016 at 3:01 PM #795286March 3, 2016 at 6:09 PM #795296joecParticipant
[quote=Sandi Egan]Trump’s success has nothing to do with his policy proposals, issue stances etc. People are just fed up – pure and simple – with the status quo. Polls consistently show that overwhelming majority of citizens think the country is on the wrong track. Voting for any establishment politician only perpetuates the problem. So a vote for Trump is really a vote against the establishment.
Here’s what some of his supporters have to say. Note the diverse demographic: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/03/secret-donald-trump-voters-speak-outBTW, I am NOT a Trump supporter. I would seriously consider Bernie, given a chance. I strongly believe that if a system doesn’t work, it’s my duty to vote for a change. And if the system is fundamentally flawed, the change must be equally radical.[/quote]
I also think this is what’s happening. A lot of people simply want politics to change and to change radically.
Part of it is to destroy the republican party since it’s pretty dead already. I don’t see why someone labeled “Republican” HAS to, say be conservative and pro-life, strong military, etc etc etc, anti healthcare (all the candidates pretty much want to remove healthcare for all…)…It’d be nicer if people just had a stance on issues without this party or that.
Maybe this year, destroy the republican party as a party, in 4 years, destroy the democrats also and remove all the establishment candidates.
One reason Clinton has so much black support is because she works to get her black friends elected so they are returning the favor…
Again, that’s all normal in life and how the world works, but most people would agree there is too much money in politics in general and the system is pretty unfair to help the elites win elections (Superdelegates for Clinton)…
I’m hoping some major issue comes up with the email server or something else and Clinton honestly can’t run…
Don’t see how Trump can stop her unless all the Bernie supporters move to support Trump just to vote “anti-establishment”.
March 3, 2016 at 7:06 PM #795301enron_by_the_seaParticipant[quote=joec]
One reason Clinton has so much black support is because she works to get her black friends elected so they are returning the favor…
[/quote]That sounds insulting to the people who voted for her. A more simple explanation might be that the issue that Bernie has been raising does not resonate highly with minorities.
BTW I have high respect for Bernie’s excellent civil rights record.
March 3, 2016 at 9:04 PM #795302svelteParticipantAnother thought that has been rolling around my head is that this election is a long time coming.
Folks have been leaving both parties for a long time. I think it is mostly the moderates who have been leaving. As more leave, the parties become more extreme which motivates more moderates to leave and it snowballs.
I see it more in the Republican party, and I think that is reflected in their candidates. Bernie is pretty extreme too though.
Just my perspective.
March 3, 2016 at 9:32 PM #795303paramountParticipantIt seems a lot of people feel the need to preface statements with: “I’m not a Trump supporter, but….”
March 3, 2016 at 10:37 PM #795304flyerParticipantSince the stats reveal that the average household net worth in the US is only around $300K (and, that’s in the 70th Percentile!!) it’s no wonder the majority of the population is looking for any candidate in any party who will at least promise them some hope of survival.
March 3, 2016 at 10:49 PM #795305ltsdddParticipant[quote=bearishgurl]
Not to be defending Trump here, but he was very visibly tired (maybe even exhausted) when Tapper threw that question at him.
[/quote]Somehow you managed to contradict yourself in a single sentence.
[quote=bearishgurl]
Anyone with half a brain and knows how to use it knows that Trump has never had anything to do with David Duke or the KKK. A candidate can’t control all the looneybins out there who get on social media and say he/she would make a good president.
[/quote]and again demonstrate to the whole board what a fool you are. Why must you make up lies just to make a counter argument? No one said anything about trump “had anything to do with DD”. The discussion was about his failure to disavow DD’s endorsement and his assertion that he didn’t know who DD is (which he did and had discussed about him numerous times in the past).
March 3, 2016 at 10:53 PM #795306njtosdParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=bearishgurl]
FIH, can you explain further exactly what it is that you are discussing in the italicized portion of this comment?[/quote]As a good legal researcher that you are, please state exactly what language in the ACA is so objectionable to you, and what repealing that language will do.
Trump cannot force insurance companies to sell you the plan you want at the rate you want. The future is health care rationing, not all you can eat buffet[/quote]
Part of the problem with the ACA, from what I’ve been told, is that it’s often cheaper for companies to violate the rules and pay the fine. Perhaps that option is slowly getting phased out, but that seems sort of pointless.
March 3, 2016 at 10:53 PM #795307paramountParticipant[quote=ltsdd]
and again demonstrate to the whole board what a fool you are. Why must you make up lies just to make a counter argument? No one said anything about trump “had anything to do with DD”. The discussion was about his failure to disavow DD’s endorsement and his assertion that he didn’t know who DD is (which he did and had discussed about him numerous times in the past).[/quote]Please provide evidence showing that trump discussed dd numerous times in the past.
March 3, 2016 at 10:56 PM #795308ltsdddParticipant[quote=paramount][quote=ltsdd]
and again demonstrate to the whole board what a fool you are. Why must you make up lies just to make a counter argument? No one said anything about trump “had anything to do with DD”. The discussion was about his failure to disavow DD’s endorsement and his assertion that he didn’t know who DD is (which he did and had discussed about him numerous times in the past).[/quote]Please provide evidence showing that trump discussed dd numerous times in the past.[/quote]
click on one of links on my previous post ^ there
March 4, 2016 at 12:35 AM #795309FlyerInHiGuestI enjoyed the republican debate on Fox. More entertainment than anything else.
Trump said he guarantees there nothing small about his hands or related. After he’s all about HUUGE..
Megan Kelly was wearing long fake eye lashes. Is that really conservative?
March 4, 2016 at 6:08 PM #795324joecParticipant[quote=enron_by_the_sea][quote=joec]
One reason Clinton has so much black support is because she works to get her black friends elected so they are returning the favor…
[/quote]That sounds insulting to the people who voted for her. A more simple explanation might be that the issue that Bernie has been raising does not resonate highly with minorities.
BTW I have high respect for Bernie’s excellent civil rights record.[/quote]
People are voting Clinton to avoid the total mess that “maybe” Trump (hey, who knows, maybe it’ll work out) and limited change overall to Obama’s policies…(hopefully…).
I don’t think it’s untrue when surveyed, many people, even within the democratic party find Clinton untrustworthy and fairly self serving…Democrats would prefer someone else, but apparently, there is no one else qualified…or even wants the job.
March 4, 2016 at 6:29 PM #795325enron_by_the_seaParticipant[quote=joec]
I don’t think it’s untrue when surveyed, many people, even within the democratic party find Clinton untrustworthy and fairly self serving…Democrats would prefer someone else, but apparently, there is no one else qualified…or even wants the job.[/quote]
Here is a statistic for you : 79 percent of Democrats this year have said they’d be satisfied with Hillary Clinton as their nominee (not very different from the number Obama got when this question was asked in 2008). The same number for Bernie Sanders is 62 percent.
So she is not as unpopular as some people claim.
Source: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/republican-voters-kind-of-hate-all-their-choices/
Now of course Hillary is less popular than Jesus. However it is not an election between her and Jesus. She only needs to be more popular than Sanders, Trump, Rubio, Cruz and Kasich. Sometimes there are some double standards applied to Hillary in that nothing about her is good enough for some people.
March 4, 2016 at 7:19 PM #795326flyerParticipantFor us, given the nature of politics, it usually boils down to voting for the candidates we consider to be the best of the worst. In this case, that’s going to be a real challenge.
Fortunately, yet, contrary to mystical political mythology, many of us will continue to live the lives we want to live, regardless of who is elected.
March 4, 2016 at 7:23 PM #795327CoronitaParticipantLol. For a good laugh…
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