- This topic has 1,297 replies, 43 voices, and was last updated 7 years, 7 months ago by
Balboa.
-
AuthorPosts
-
March 20, 2016 at 10:49 PM #795972March 20, 2016 at 11:09 PM #795973
njtosd
ParticipantWhy doesn’t anyone look around for some info? Like here: http://www.wsj.com/articles/fact-checking-the-figures-on-anchor-babies-1441963800
The automatic citizenship seems to be a red herring – but the numbers are interesting, roughly 300,000 babies born to at least one undocumented immigrant each year. There are only 4 million babies (overall) born each year in the US – so it is a relevant discussion.
March 21, 2016 at 6:56 AM #795981SK in CV
Participant[quote=njtosd]Why doesn’t anyone look around for some info? Like here: http://www.wsj.com/articles/fact-checking-the-figures-on-anchor-babies-1441963800
The automatic citizenship seems to be a red herring – but the numbers are interesting, roughly 300,000 babies born to at least one undocumented immigrant each year. There are only 4 million babies (overall) born each year in the US – so it is a relevant discussion.[/quote]
I agree. It might be relevant. Except that the net migration from Mexico has been zero for the last 5 or 6 years. (Thanks Obama) So there may be a steady stream of babies born to at least 1 undocumented parent. But the number of new undocumented is remaining unchanged.
March 21, 2016 at 8:57 AM #795986no_such_reality
Participant[quote=flu]Geesh BG, how many “illegals” mexicans and “anchor babies” stole your paralegal jobs? Really?
It’s like the same question I asked Paramount. How many H1-B or even U.S. citizens that are asian stole Paramount’s defense jobs?
Seems like there’s a lot of hate and blame going around. Don’t get it when it doesn’t appear to apply.[/quote]
Not to side with Trump, however, I think the relevant discussion point is bad corporate behavior. That discontent is getting targeted at the people being employed.
A good example, is Disney’s failed IT outsourcing attempt in Orlando.
And ironically, Trump’s own exploitation of H2-Bs for temp labor in his hotel.
March 21, 2016 at 1:27 PM #796002Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=njtosd]Why doesn’t anyone look around for some info? Like here: http://www.wsj.com/articles/fact-checking-the-figures-on-anchor-babies-1441963800
The automatic citizenship seems to be a red herring – but the numbers are interesting, roughly 300,000 babies born to at least one undocumented immigrant each year. There are only 4 million babies (overall) born each year in the US – so it is a relevant discussion.[/quote]
I agree. It might be relevant. Except that the net migration from Mexico has been zero for the last 5 or 6 years. (Thanks Obama) So there may be a steady stream of babies born to at least 1 undocumented parent. But the number of new undocumented is remaining unchanged.[/quote]
I had kind of pooh-poohed the issue of children born to undocumented immigrants prior to looking at that statistic. But when close to 1/10th of the children born have an undocumented parent (if these stats are correct) that’s an issue. We created a business plan that dealt with a child safety device that would be installed in homes. It never occurred to me to take that number into account, but I probably should, because if you are undocumented you’d be less likely to purchase something that would be installed (you’re a renter and don’t want to draw attention, you’re living with a friend, etc.).
March 21, 2016 at 5:59 PM #796011joec
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]joec, for the record, PLENTY of Asian families reside in SD South County (and to a lesser extent, East County). Tens of thousands (perhaps close to 100K). I’ve heard MANY comments on this board on how Piggs don’t want their own kids going to school with hundreds of kids crossing the border every day. Nor would they be happy about having their kids in classes filled with ESL students (elem school). I believe these are the primary reasons for Piggs not wanting to purchase a home in South County, even though many of the listings around here are large SFRs with often much larger lots than their “target areas” and listed for $200-$600K LESS and a good portion of South County’s public schools are rated very highly. Although, distance to high-tech jobs is listed as another reason for discounting South County as a viable place to live, it isn’t that far to those job centers from many points in East County.[/quote]
Maybe that’s true, but having lived in those areas of SD before buying, all I remember is what I saw.
EVERY SINGLE TIME (seriously) when I ate at Denny’s, it was pretty much 100% Mexican/Hispanic. If there were Asians living, out in east and south county there, they certainly never go to Denny’s or any other restaurants I ever visited.
Again, not statistical data, but good enough for me if everyone I see walking around is of a particular race.
March 21, 2016 at 6:17 PM #796012FlyerInHi
GuestTrump inoculated himself with this base by saying that he did what he had to do as a businessman. He knows the system so he’s best equipped to change it.
March 24, 2016 at 9:02 AM #796103livinincali
ParticipantI thought the liberal left wan’t extreme but apparently writing Trump’s name in chalk now constitutes offensive hate speech.
[quote]
Conservative students at Emory University are planning a free-speech event for next week, after an outcry on campus over messages supporting Donald Trump.Students woke up Monday morning to find messages written in chalk all over campus, in support of Donald Trump. That afternoon, a group of 40 to 50 students protested. According to the student newspaper, the Emory Wheel, they shouted in the quad, “You are not listening! Come speak to us, we are in pain!” and then students moved into the administration building calling out, “It is our duty to fight for our freedom. It is our duty to win. We must love each other and support each other. We have nothing to lose but our chains.
[/quote]March 24, 2016 at 12:54 PM #796118bearishgurl
Participant[quote=livinincali]I thought the liberal left wan’t extreme but apparently writing Trump’s name in chalk now constitutes offensive hate speech.
[quote]
Conservative students at Emory University are planning a free-speech event for next week, after an outcry on campus over messages supporting Donald Trump.Students woke up Monday morning to find messages written in chalk all over campus, in support of Donald Trump. That afternoon, a group of 40 to 50 students protested. According to the student newspaper, the Emory Wheel, they shouted in the quad, “You are not listening! Come speak to us, we are in pain!” and then students moved into the administration building calling out, “It is our duty to fight for our freedom. It is our duty to win. We must love each other and support each other. We have nothing to lose but our chains.
[/quote]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/03/24/someone-wrote-trump-2016-on-emorys-campus-in-chalk-some-students-said-they-no-longer-feel-safe/%5B/quote%5D”…some students said they no longer feel safe.”
From chalk marks?? This is such a crock of sh!t. They’re a bunch of immature, PC whiners. If it weren’t for the 18-23 year-old (student) crowd outside a lot of these Trump rallies, we wouldn’t be seeing all of these protests (some of which are really getting out of hand).
I take it back when I said that Trump should campaign on or near UC/CSU campuses when his entourage arrives in Cali (not sure if it was on this thread or the “OT Predictions” thread). Today’s college students apparently have too fragile of “sensibilities” and are too immature to allow anyone else their right of free speech without acting out :=0
March 26, 2016 at 10:41 AM #796157phaster
Participantseems to be a common theme that “chalk marks” are considered a weapon of Insurrection? anyone else remember “chalk gate”??
San Diego jury acquits chalk artist in sidewalk vandalism case
SAN DIEGO — A jury Monday acquitted 40-year-old Jeffrey Olson on 13 misdemeanor counts after Olson chalked protest messages on the sidewalk outside Bank of America branch offices.
In doing so, the jury in the San Diego County Superior Court case scored a victory for Mayor Bob Filner in his continuing fight with City Atty. Jan Goldsmith.
Filner, who came of age politically as a civil rights activist in the 1960s, had called the case “stupid” and a waste of taxpayer money. Goldsmith had defended the case as a simple, and legally justifiable, prosecution of graffiti vandalism.
“This is a nonsense prosecution, and I will continue to say that,” Filner said Friday.
Goldsmith said he respected the jury’s verdict but noted that the case went to trial only because Olson refused an offer to have the charges reduced to an infraction by doing community service cleaning up graffiti.
Olson never denied writing slogans or drawing outside three bank branches.
One slogan said, “No thanks, big banks.” Another, “Shame on Bank of America.” In yet another, the bank was portrayed as an octopus grabbing at cash with its tentacles.
Courts have held that graffiti is vandalism even if, as with chalk, it can be easily washed off, Goldsmith said.
That Bank of America had contacted the city attorney’s office to urge prosecution had become part of the dispute between the Democratic mayor and Republican city attorney.
“We prosecute vandalism and theft cases regardless of who the perpetrator or victim might be,” Goldsmith said. “We don’t decide, for example, based upon whether we like or dislike banks. That would be wrong under the law.”
Filner has criticized Goldsmith over issues large and small. Earlier this year, he blasted the city attorney’s prosecution of a pro-seal activist for removing a sign at the Children’s Pool beach in La Jolla.
As the chalk case approached trial, Filner sent a memo to Goldsmith, calling it “an abuse of power that infringes on [the] 1st Amendment.”
At trial, however, Judge Howard Shore said Olson’s lawyer could not invoke the 1st Amendment as a defense. As the dispute flared at City Hall, Shore last week imposed a gag order on all parties.
March 27, 2016 at 9:52 AM #796181La Jolla Renter
ParticipantThese students are what our top universities are producing?
I’m not sure even Bernie wants to claim these sad little participation trophy millennials.
March 27, 2016 at 11:30 AM #796183Guest[quote=livinincali]I thought the liberal left wan’t extreme but apparently writing Trump’s name in chalk now constitutes offensive hate speech
[/quote]Poor attempt at equating the students’ response to Trump’s extremism.
I bet you wouldn’t feef the same about free speech if the writing was “Allah Akbar”The students are maybe too sensitive but extreme they are not.
March 28, 2016 at 4:46 PM #796201ParticipantI just ran across this article today, linked to an e-mail newsletter I subscribe to. It’s hilarious and sad at the same time. It speaks to the “emotional fragility” of today’s “college-student set.”
March 28, 2016 at 9:35 PM #796203ParticipantI do see some of what the article describes. However, I think many kids understand the competition for jobs out there and live in fear of a bad semester (or even a bad grade). As someone said in another thread, tech companies demand a certain grade point average and make no exceptions for students from more challenging schools. That would make me a little grade crazy. Palo Alto’s suicide rate is four or five times the average – and this the subject of an investigation by the CDC. Thttp://www.refinery29.com/2016/02/103433/palo-alto-high-school-suicides-cdc
The pressure on these kids is crazy ( but the idea of needing counseling over a mouse is also a little nuts).
March 28, 2016 at 9:43 PM #796206Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=livinincali]I thought the liberal left wan’t extreme but apparently writing Trump’s name in chalk now constitutes offensive hate speech
[/quote]Poor attempt at equating the students’ response to Trump’s extremism.
I bet you wouldn’t feef the same about free speech if the writing was “Allah Akbar”The students are maybe too sensitive but extreme they are not.[/quote]
There is a bit of a frightening belief that there is a right way to be and a wrong way to be and that the wrong ones should be silenced. It reminds me a lot of the “four legs good, two legs bad” idea from Animal Farm. Those who believe they are enlightened and therefore disagree with Trump don’t just disagree, they believe that the Trump supporters have no right to their viewpoint and that they, as the enlightened, should decide what gets expressed and what doesn’t. And they don’t question it. I’m sorry, but they are being led around by the nose by the media. I frankly fear the hypersensitive students (and those who lead these students to believe that they know exactly where the moral high ground lies) more than I fear Trump.
-
AuthorPosts
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.