Reasons I cannot vote for Trump

[SK in CV]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=SK in CV][quote=bearishgurl]The only other reason for this phenomenon is big manufacturing plants moving to other countries, leaving the longtime “nativist” population (in some areas, there has been very little, if any, immigration over the years) chronically unemployed and stuck with homes that don’t have any resale value. We’ve seen this scenario play out repeatedly in the news along the recent “campaign trail” in rust-belt and other midwestern and southern states.

Those are the only cases where immigration has not played a part in American “nativists” losing their longtime jobs, IMO. Ironically, these coveted jobs (formerly occupied by US “nativists”) went to foreign workers in their own countries for the express purpose of “Big Manufacturing” being able to get away with paying them 1/10th (on avg) the hourly rate their American employees were getting (plus being able to eliminate benefits and pensions).[/quote]

Huh? What “phenomenon” are you talking about? The lack of data to support your silly claims? This isn’t the least bit responsive to what I said. If there is evidence to back up what you said, I’d love to see it. I’ve looked. There isn’t any. Stories on the news are not data.[/quote]Are you not understanding that a good portion of the US auto plants and steel plants have moved to MX or overseas and (presumably) two more Ohio steel plants will be closing at the end of this month? Have you been paying attention to the many towns on the news who have hosted rallies for the candidates and the TV cameras touring around the decimated, idle former factories with the former workers and union reps who were interviewed?

It’s been all over the airwaves for about two months now.

Maybe you’re not paying attention to the campaign trail? That’s okay, but don’t act surprised now because you may be unaware of any of this.

edit: I recently read somewhere that the avg auto worker working in for an auto mfr in MX receives $2.22 to $2.70 hr (in US dollars). I’ll try to find that piece again and post it on this thread.[/quote]

What I’m not understanding is why you’re talking about manufacturing jobs when my original comment was in response to your claim that “full employment of the “nativist sector” of the U.S. population has dropped significantly in the past 20 years due to massive immigration into the country.” And now you’re railing on about lost auto jobs to mexico. Are you blaming lost mfg jobs to mexico on H1B workers from India in the US?

[FlyerInHi]

SK, your post about Obama and racism was pretty much what I’ve always felt.

What do you think is Trump’s appeal to his working class base? And why do they believe him? He lies about his wealth and he sounds like a fast talking scam artist to me. In real estate, when a developer sells you property and prices go up, then everyone’s happy. But when there’s trouble, Trump is the first one to bail, and screw everybody else.

[mixxalot]

As much as I dislike Trump for many reasons, I hate that bile spewing demon witch Hillary even more. So for my vote, I will write in Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck!

[njtosd]

[quote=FlyerInHi]SK, your post about Obama and racism was pretty much what I’ve always felt.

What do you think is Trump’s appeal to his working class base? And why do they believe him? He lies about his wealth and he sounds like a fast talking scam artist to me. In real estate, when a developer sells you property and prices go up, then everyone’s happy. But when there’s trouble, Trump is the first one to bail, and screw everybody else.[/quote]

Disclaimer – I don’t like Trump. But I am fascinated by his appeal, which I never expected and have been watching like a bad movie. I think it is a matter of passion. He expresses a lot more emotion than Hillary does, who (in my opinion) comes across as calculating and not believable.

I think Trump appeals to people who are fearful (similar to Hitler) – he expresses the fears that they are unwilling to admit to. And there is a lot to be fearful about, and I think Hillary’s cold calculating behavior doesn’t give those who are fearful much comfort. As anyone who has read The Crucible can attest, uncertain times bring out the conservative tendencies in a population . . .

[FlyerInHi]

I too am fascinated by Trump’s appeal. I agree with you. I’m careful not to bring up Hilter because that’s overdone. I find the rise of Trump, especially during the Obama presidency, a phenomenon to be studied for many years to come.

[zk]

[quote=njtosd] As anyone who has read The Crucible can attest, uncertain times bring out the conservative tendencies in a population . . .[/quote]

Which is part of the reason (along with the desire to discredit Obama) that the right-wing noise machine has been peddling gloom and doom for so long.

It’s working for them. People are buying it. And because they’ve been buying the right-wing noise machine’s doom and gloom and racism and xenophobia, they are ripe for Trump. I was surprised at Trump’s appeal, too. But I shouldn’t have been surprised. We shouldn’t have been surprised. The leaders of the republican party sure as hell shouldn’t have been surprised.

In retrospect, it seems kind of obvious that a bunch of people who have been told (and emotionally manipulated to believe) for years that things are bad and will get worse, things are dangerous, foreigners are bad, Islam is bad and will hurt you, that the establishment is bad, nobody in Washington is listening to you, etc. would gravitate to someone like Trump. Someone who says all of the above, but not in code, who can (or can pretend to) relate to their fears, and who says he will fight and kill whoever it takes to protect the poor schlubs who would be the victims of all those things.

I should probably be tired of saying this by now, but I’m not: They brought it on themselves, they shouldn’t be surprised, and they are getting what they deserve.

[FlyerInHi]

Republicans are getting what they deserve, yes.
But as a country, we also got what we deserve. The country has been diminished. First of all, republican obstruction caused us not to achieve our economic potential. The consensus among economists is that we need more investments in infrastructure. We lost wealth and prosperity. The business community should really be angry about this.

And second, why did we enable Republicans by accepting that their rhetoric is matched by an equivalent on the democratic side? For example, human evolution is real science; but intelligent design is not science. Let’s not give equal credence to all sides.

[FlyerInHi]

Recently I had lunch with people who wanted to recruit me in some financial pyramid scheme. That’s what they do to everyone they meet. They pretend to be friends before they give you the spiel. You have to attend bullshit seminars that you pay for, etc…

The people succeptible to those sales pitches remind me of Trump supporters. Trump is the star salesman at the top of the pyramid.

[njtosd]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Recently I had lunch with people who wanted to recruit me in some financial pyramid scheme. That’s what they do to everyone they meet. They pretend to be friends before they give you the spiel. You have to attend bullshit seminars that you pay for, etc…

The people succeptible to those sales pitches remind me of Trump supporters. Trump is the star salesman at the top of the pyramid.[/quote]

Brian – you have a persistent belief that people who don’t agree with your politics are stupid. That is a mistake. The most gun toting, fear mongering lunatic that I have ever known (who also referred to his 8 year old son as “gay’) had an engineering degree from Berkeley and a law degree.

By the way – why in the world would you even go to such a lunch? Suggests you are rather susceptible as well . . . .

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=njtosd]

By the way – why in the world would you even go to such a lunch? Suggests you are rather susceptible as well . . . .[/quote]

Just friends of friends… the spiel came later.

And that reminds us of Trump university. Does anyone here not think it’s a scam? Should people who were taken get their money back or is it buyer beware?

[Coronita]

Speaking of Trump and foreign workers….
Lol. I am sure this is just the beginning of the dirt. I can’t wait to see his tax returns.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/18/news/economy/trump-maralago/index.html

[scaredyclassic]

Hilarious. The level of hypocrisy is just, well, very high.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=flu]Speaking of Trump and foreign workers….
Lol. I am sure this is just the beginning of the dirt. I can’t wait to see his tax returns.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/18/news/economy/trump-maralago/index.html
[/quote]

To be quite frank, the woman in the video doesn’t fit Trump’s standards for “high class”, something he’s very particular about.

I hear that when Trump ran his casinos in Atlantic City, he would instruct his floor bosses to only schedule goodlooking White people when he had investor walk throughs. He wanted a “high class” feel like in James Bond movies. No short, stumpy, fat, dark people, or White for that matter.

If you go to Vegas a lot, like me, you’d know that casinos in general have lots of minority workers.

[Coronita]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=flu]Speaking of Trump and foreign workers….
Lol. I am sure this is just the beginning of the dirt. I can’t wait to see his tax returns.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/18/news/economy/trump-maralago/index.html
[/quote]

To be quite frank, the woman in the video doesn’t fit Trump’s standards for “high class”, something he’s very particular about.

I hear that when Trump ran his casinos in Atlantic City, he would instruct his floor bosses to only schedule goodlooking White people when he had investor walk throughs. He wanted a “high class” feel like in James Bond movies. No short, stumpy, fat, dark people, or White for that matter.

If you go to Vegas a lot, like me, you’d know that casinos in general have lots of minority workers.[/quote]

Well, that’s the thing. I don’t think the woman in the interview was seeking a job that required her to be up in front of customers. If you read the interview with that woman, she said she didn’t care about the job she got. She said she would have taken a job as a janitor or something similar.

So, again, why would Trump *need* to hire foreign workers for that? We’re not even talking about engineering, writing software, designing hardware which some of us actually argue in some cases there is a skills gap in some specialization.

This job at the Trump mansion is simply a job really that anyone can do…Something that Trump apparently has made it as an issue for his platform and an issue for all his followers. All his followers are all blaming “the immigrants” (legal or not) for why they can’t find a job….Well, who’s making the employment decisions? Why not blame Trump?

[Coronita]

[quote=scaredyclassic]Hilarious. The level of hypocrisy is just, well, very high.[/quote]

The sad part is that even with this obvious level of hypocrisy, and despite all the data and real world example that Trump does exactly the opposite of what he says others should do, and what he attacks others about….. His low information/unintelligent followers just completely ignore these facts and continue to make excuses for him.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some of his followers say this story was fabricated by a “liberal media like CNN/money”…Gee, is the way that Trump followers cope with a real fact about Trump to contradicts what he’s preaching? With self-explanations “well, it’s obviously a lie put on by liberal/progressives?” Are people really that dumb that when something so obvious is right in front of them, they’ll still deny deny deny, and think obviously the reporter must be liberal and have an axe to grind?

Never mind, apparently they are. Nothing surprises me anymore about the level of stupidity exhibited by some people in the U.S..
And apparently, there’s a lot of them, which I find in itself pretty scary.

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