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October 26, 2011 at 12:17 PM #731353October 26, 2011 at 11:21 PM #731378
svelteParticipant[quote=aldante][quote=markmax33]
The libertarian position is that the environmental regulation we have is not authorized by the constitution. It is therefore defaulted into state and local governement.[/quote]Well Said![/quote]
Except…that is not their position.
The Libertarian Platform, May 2010:
2.2 EnvironmentWe support a clean and healthy environment and sensible use of our natural resources. Private landowners and conservation groups have a vested interest in maintaining natural resources. Pollution and misuse of resources cause damage to our ecosystem. Governments, unlike private businesses, are unaccountable for such damage done to our environment and have a terrible track record when it comes to environmental protection. Protecting the environment requires a clear definition and enforcement of individual rights in resources like land, water, air, and wildlife. Free markets and property rights stimulate the technological innovations and behavioral changes required to protect our environment and ecosystems. We realize that our planet’s climate is constantly changing, but environmental advocates and social pressure are the most effective means of changing public behavior.
Nowhere does it mention federal vs state or any such distinction. It says that “environmental advocates and social pressure” are the best solution, along with “free markets and property rights”. !!
Markmax, just who do you think you’re foolin’?
October 27, 2011 at 7:15 AM #731390blahblahblah
Participant[quote=svelte][quote=aldante][quote=markmax33]
The libertarian position is that the environmental regulation we have is not authorized by the constitution. It is therefore defaulted into state and local governement.[/quote]Well Said![/quote]
Except…that is not their position.
The Libertarian Platform, May 2010:
2.2 EnvironmentWe support a clean and healthy environment and sensible use of our natural resources. Private landowners and conservation groups have a vested interest in maintaining natural resources. Pollution and misuse of resources cause damage to our ecosystem. Governments, unlike private businesses, are unaccountable for such damage done to our environment and have a terrible track record when it comes to environmental protection. Protecting the environment requires a clear definition and enforcement of individual rights in resources like land, water, air, and wildlife. Free markets and property rights stimulate the technological innovations and behavioral changes required to protect our environment and ecosystems. We realize that our planet’s climate is constantly changing, but environmental advocates and social pressure are the most effective means of changing public behavior.
Nowhere does it mention federal vs state or any such distinction. It says that “environmental advocates and social pressure” are the best solution, along with “free markets and property rights”. !!
Markmax, just who do you think you’re foolin’?[/quote]
Wasn’t this a Ron Paul thread? He’s a Republican, not a Libertarian. Anyway, even if he were, the Libertarian position from a federal point of view on most matters would be to defer to state and local governments, allowing them to decide. Of course those state and local governments might be Republican, Democrat, Whig, Communist, or even Libertarian. In a Libertarian area, there might not be any regulations on this sort of thing and the people there would just hope that social and economic pressure would be enough to keep them safe.
All of this political talk is boring and tiring, which is why I’m voting Zod in 2012. Kneel before Zod! In the Zod platform, all decisions are made by Zod. It’s quite simple.
October 27, 2011 at 7:23 AM #731391
CoronitaParticipant[quote=CONCHO][quote=svelte][quote=aldante][quote=markmax33]
The libertarian position is that the environmental regulation we have is not authorized by the constitution. It is therefore defaulted into state and local governement.[/quote]Well Said![/quote]
Except…that is not their position.
The Libertarian Platform, May 2010:
2.2 EnvironmentWe support a clean and healthy environment and sensible use of our natural resources. Private landowners and conservation groups have a vested interest in maintaining natural resources. Pollution and misuse of resources cause damage to our ecosystem. Governments, unlike private businesses, are unaccountable for such damage done to our environment and have a terrible track record when it comes to environmental protection. Protecting the environment requires a clear definition and enforcement of individual rights in resources like land, water, air, and wildlife. Free markets and property rights stimulate the technological innovations and behavioral changes required to protect our environment and ecosystems. We realize that our planet’s climate is constantly changing, but environmental advocates and social pressure are the most effective means of changing public behavior.
Nowhere does it mention federal vs state or any such distinction. It says that “environmental advocates and social pressure” are the best solution, along with “free markets and property rights”. !!
Markmax, just who do you think you’re foolin’?[/quote]
Wasn’t this a Ron Paul thread? He’s a Republican, not a Libertarian. Anyway, even if he were, the Libertarian position from a federal point of view on most matters would be to defer to state and local governments, allowing them to decide. Of course those state and local governments might be Republican, Democrat, Whig, Communist, or even Libertarian. In a Libertarian area, there might not be any regulations on this sort of thing and the people there would just hope that social and economic pressure would be enough to keep them safe.
All of this political talk is boring and tiring, which is why I’m voting Zod in 2012. Kneel before Zod! In the Zod platform, all decisions are made by Zod. It’s quite simple.[/quote]
Concho, Zod is probably the mainframe buried in one of Goldman Sachs’ offices… But, we already bow down to it anyway, so there’s no need to explicitly vote it into an office.
October 27, 2011 at 1:43 PM #731418markmax33
Guest[quote=svelte]
Except…that is not their position.The Libertarian Platform, May 2010:
2.2 EnvironmentWe support a clean and healthy environment and sensible use of our natural resources. Private landowners and conservation groups have a vested interest in maintaining natural resources. Pollution and misuse of resources cause damage to our ecosystem. Governments, unlike private businesses, are unaccountable for such damage done to our environment and have a terrible track record when it comes to environmental protection. Protecting the environment requires a clear definition and enforcement of individual rights in resources like land, water, air, and wildlife. Free markets and property rights stimulate the technological innovations and behavioral changes required to protect our environment and ecosystems. We realize that our planet’s climate is constantly changing, but environmental advocates and social pressure are the most effective means of changing public behavior.
Nowhere does it mention federal vs state or any such distinction. It says that “environmental advocates and social pressure” are the best solution, along with “free markets and property rights”. !!
Markmax, just who do you think you’re foolin’?[/quote]
Svelte,
First thing is I am talking about the Libertarian position on the national level. The libertarian position that Ron Paul supports. Ron Paul is indeed a Libertarian, although I don’t think he agrees with 100% of the party, just like any party.
Next you just proved my point above. “Social Pressure” is what forms on a local level to pass local regulation. CAL/EPA was formed from social pressure on the local level as well as local air quality boards, water quality boards, etc. These local groups go above and beyond what the EPA mandates which basically makes the EPA on the national level redundant. Why would you voluntarily pay the salaries of these guys on the National level in DC that have no clue about things out here in California? We are already putting our local money to work here and it’s better! Do you like giving away money to fat cats in DC? I don’t like giving my money away for somebody else to spend in a manner that is redundant and useless. Why are you so easily fooled Svelte?October 27, 2011 at 3:27 PM #731427ParticipantRon Paul, Shmon Paul — General Zod has freaking LASER BEAM EYES. He wouldn’t have had to wuss out and send the military to go kill Osama Bin Laden, he could’ve just flown over there himself and fried the old goon like an egg.
General Zod 2012!
October 27, 2011 at 3:49 PM #731428Guest[quote=CONCHO]Ron Paul, Shmon Paul — General Zod has freaking LASER BEAM EYES. He wouldn’t have had to wuss out and send the military to go kill Osama Bin Laden, he could’ve just flown over there himself and fried the old goon like an egg.
General Zod 2012![/quote]
Ron Paul could beat general Zod while delivering twins and drinking a Dos Equis. He is the most intersting man in the world I would take a bullet for him.
October 27, 2011 at 4:00 PM #731430Participant[quote=markmax33][quote=CONCHO]Ron Paul, Shmon Paul — General Zod has freaking LASER BEAM EYES. He wouldn’t have had to wuss out and send the military to go kill Osama Bin Laden, he could’ve just flown over there himself and fried the old goon like an egg.
General Zod 2012![/quote]
Ron Paul could beat general Zod while delivering twins and drinking a Dos Equis. He is the most intersting man in the world I would take a bullet for him.[/quote]
Dr. Paul is pretty awesome, I have to agree. Unfortunately the average IQ of the US is just over room temperature. Americans, in general, don’t like fancy talk about economic theory, they want to see government checks in their mailboxes, s*** gettin’ blowed up real good in foreign countries on Fox News, and UFC on ESPN. And most of the 5-10% with triple-digit IQs are simply content to watch Jon Stewart or Bill Maher and giggle while hoping that the government will raise taxes on “the rich” (e.g., everyone who makes or has more money than them.) So I am predicting more of the same in 2012 and beyond.
October 27, 2011 at 5:16 PM #731434Guest[quote=CONCHO][quote=markmax33][quote=CONCHO]Ron Paul, Shmon Paul — General Zod has freaking LASER BEAM EYES. He wouldn’t have had to wuss out and send the military to go kill Osama Bin Laden, he could’ve just flown over there himself and fried the old goon like an egg.
General Zod 2012![/quote]
Ron Paul could beat general Zod while delivering twins and drinking a Dos Equis. He is the most intersting man in the world I would take a bullet for him.[/quote]
Dr. Paul is pretty awesome, I have to agree. Unfortunately the average IQ of the US is just over room temperature. Americans, in general, don’t like fancy talk about economic theory, they want to see government checks in their mailboxes, s*** gettin’ blowed up real good in foreign countries on Fox News, and UFC on ESPN. And most of the 5-10% with triple-digit IQs are simply content to watch Jon Stewart or Bill Maher and giggle while hoping that the government will raise taxes on “the rich” (e.g., everyone who makes or has more money than them.) So I am predicting more of the same in 2012 and beyond.[/quote]
When a good Ron Paul supporter talks about ZOD on a forum it kind of wastes the effort of the rest of us to start educating people. The young people know about Ron Paul. He’s gone from 0% to 20% in some polls in 4 years. I think you are crazy to dismiss him so quickly. You should join me in the education session on the blog. Remember Rand Paul has another good 30 years left and if he can pick up where Ron leaves off there is tremendous hope for our country.
October 27, 2011 at 6:46 PM #731437aldante
Participant[quote=CONCHO][quote=markmax33][quote=CONCHO]Ron Paul, Shmon Paul — General Zod has freaking LASER BEAM EYES. He wouldn’t have had to wuss out and send the military to go kill Osama Bin Laden, he could’ve just flown over there himself and fried the old goon like an egg.
General Zod 2012![/quote]
Ron Paul could beat general Zod while delivering twins and drinking a Dos Equis. He is the most intersting man in the world I would take a bullet for him.[/quote]
Dr. Paul is pretty awesome, I have to agree. Unfortunately the average IQ of the US is just over room temperature. Americans, in general, don’t like fancy talk about economic theory, they want to see government checks in their mailboxes, s*** gettin’ blowed up real good in foreign countries on Fox News, and UFC on ESPN. And most of the 5-10% with triple-digit IQs are simply content to watch Jon Stewart or Bill Maher and giggle while hoping that the government will raise taxes on “the rich” (e.g., everyone who makes or has more money than them.) So I am predicting more of the same in 2012 and beyond.[/quote]
Concho,
Since you seem to believe its all a waste anyway, I will ask you for your vote for Dr. Paul. Since we are all going down, why not do me this favor?
October 27, 2011 at 6:51 PM #731438Participant[quote=aldante]
Concho,Since you seem to believe its all a waste anyway, I will ask you for your vote for Dr. Paul. Since we are all going down, why not do me this favor?[/quote]
No prob, will do. I was gonna write in Zod but I’ll vote for Paul in the primary, just like I did in 2008. Hopefully Zod will have mercy on me for this transgression and not destroy me with his laser beam eyes or crush me like a walnut in his incredibly strong grip.
October 27, 2011 at 8:58 PM #731446Participant[quote=CONCHO][quote=aldante]
Concho,Since you seem to believe its all a waste anyway, I will ask you for your vote for Dr. Paul. Since we are all going down, why not do me this favor?[/quote]
No prob, will do. I was gonna write in Zod but I’ll vote for Paul in the primary, just like I did in 2008. Hopefully Zod will have mercy on me for this transgression and not destroy me with his laser beam eyes or crush me like a walnut in his incredibly strong grip.[/quote]
Concho,
I knew you were the MAN!October 27, 2011 at 9:38 PM #731452scaredyclassic
ParticipantIf it will make you feel better I’ll promise to vote for Ron Paul …
But only cuz I think he’ll be great for gold mining shares
October 28, 2011 at 8:31 AM #731479Guest[quote=walterwhite]If it will make you feel better I’ll promise to vote for Ron Paul …
But only cuz I think he’ll be great for gold mining shares[/quote]
Walter you should vote for him because you’ve researched what he says and you believe in his policies. When you do that you actually realize how correct he is and it makes complete sense. Then you start talking to your friends and influencing another 100 people.
October 28, 2011 at 9:51 AM #731487svelteParticipant[quote=markmax33]
Svelte,
First thing is I am talking about the Libertarian position on the national level. The libertarian position that Ron Paul supports. Ron Paul is indeed a Libertarian, although I don’t think he agrees with 100% of the party, just like any party.
Next you just proved my point above. “Social Pressure” is what forms on a local level to pass local regulation. CAL/EPA was formed from social pressure on the local level as well as local air quality boards, water quality boards, etc. These local groups go above and beyond what the EPA mandates which basically makes the EPA on the national level redundant. Why would you voluntarily pay the salaries of these guys on the National level in DC that have no clue about things out here in California? We are already putting our local money to work here and it’s better! Do you like giving away money to fat cats in DC? I don’t like giving my money away for somebody else to spend in a manner that is redundant and useless. Why are you so easily fooled Svelte?[/quote]Mark, you stated the Libertarian position was to left lower level governments decide. When I showed you that it was in no way a part of their platform, you warp their words to fit your position.
Pretty amazing and it matches your continued contention that Ron Paul is a Libertarian when he is clearly running as a Republican…you see the world as you want to see it, not as it is.
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