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October 20, 2011 at 6:27 AM #19212October 20, 2011 at 7:35 AM #731003
jpinpb
ParticipantAfter the last Republican debate, I can see a lot of people looking for alternatives.
October 20, 2011 at 7:59 AM #731005DomoArigato
Participant[quote=jpinpb]After the last Republican debate, I can see a lot of people looking for alternatives.[/quote]
I’m hoping for a fist fight to break out in the next debate.
“I’ll be the most protective of the banksters!”
KAPOW! OOOOOFFF!“Fraud will no longer be a crime under my administration!”
BAM! WHAMM! SPLATT!“Apples and oranges”
SPLOOT!… and so on
October 20, 2011 at 8:02 AM #731007ParticipantLOL – They have to put the “KAPOW” in cartoonish bubbles like Batman.
October 20, 2011 at 10:40 PM #731072patb
Participanti hope he wins the New Hampshire Primary
October 21, 2011 at 10:37 AM #731100blahblahblah
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Kneel before Zod!October 21, 2011 at 12:21 PM #731109jeeman
ParticipantPeople like his ideas.
However, he doesn’t come across Presidential. He comes across as an old Texas coot who hides out in a cabin in the wilderness. Something about the way he communicates makes him sound like he’s ranting, not debating. (And I’d support RP over Romney, if they were the only two left).
Just about every question he is asked has a response about the Fed.
“Are you pro-life?”
“Yes, I am, and ever since the Fed was instituted and eventually got us off the gold standard, and debased our monetary system, more people have been systematically killing their fetuses, so yes, if we abolish the Fed, we can overturn Roe vs. Wade.”
October 21, 2011 at 1:25 PM #731112urbanrealtor
Participant[quote=jeeman]People like his ideas.
However, he doesn’t come across Presidential. He comes across as an old Texas coot who hides out in a cabin in the wilderness. Something about the way he communicates makes him sound like he’s ranting, not debating. (And I’d support RP over Romney, if they were the only two left).
Just about every question he is asked has a response about the Fed.
“Are you pro-life?”
“Yes, I am, and ever since the Fed was instituted and eventually got us off the gold standard, and debased our monetary system, more people have been systematically killing their fetuses, so yes, if we abolish the Fed, we can overturn Roe vs. Wade.”[/quote]
Was that quote Zod or Paul?
October 22, 2011 at 9:21 AM #731158ParticipantIf Ron Paul won the Primaries, you would see the GOP leadership
embrace Obama.It would be like when David Duke won the primary in louisiana.
October 22, 2011 at 12:53 PM #731160
svelteParticipant[quote=jeeman]People like his ideas.
However, he doesn’t come across Presidential. He comes across as an old Texas coot who hides out in a cabin in the wilderness. Something about the way he communicates makes him sound like he’s ranting, not debating. [/quote]
Every time I see him, I can’t help but have flashbacks to H. Ross “they wuz gunna keednap mah leetle dowg!” Perot.
October 22, 2011 at 1:35 PM #731162patientrenter
Participant[quote=patb]If Ron Paul won the Primaries, you would see the GOP leadership
embrace Obama….[/quote]That’s correct. Of course, they would do it subtly, by campaigning only very faintly for him. That way they’d know he would lose, and they would avoid the wrath of their own Republican rank and file after the loss.
For the people running Wall Street and the two parties, it matters less which party wins the contest than that they retain control over the winning party. Obama is firmly under control, following Geithner’s and Bernanke’s prescriptions, so he would be a very acceptable alternative to any establishhment Republican candidate. It’s the non-establishment candidates, in either party, that make them nervous.
October 22, 2011 at 10:21 PM #731172CardiffBaseball
ParticipantI actually participated in the Black Out. Didn’t give a lot, but it was pretty cool.
That said I still don’t expect him to win. If it’s Romney-Obama I just can’t imagine giving a shite. The problem with the GOP is there does not seem to be too many classical liberals waiting in the wings. To be a repubbie today means taking a dump on the 4th amendment and being quite proud of it. Once again it will be whether or not I can plug my nose and pull the Mitt lever.
October 23, 2011 at 8:54 AM #731178ParticipantQuestion for the Ron Paul enthusiasts. If Ron Paul were to become President and were also able to enact his agenda, how would your life become better?
I know that Ron Paul is in favor of massive deregulation, so I suspect if Ron Paul were able to enact his agenda we would see a lot more of this:
The link is to a story on a small community of 15 families who live downstream from a Koch Industries subsidiary (formaldehyde resin plant) that is dumping millions of gallons of wastewater into open ditches. Among the 15 families, there have been 11 deaths from cancer and many more people are ill.
How would deregulation address this or prevent it from happening in many more places all over the U.S.?
In my opinion, if Ron Paul were to become President, life for ordinary citizens would get much worse. Corporations would have free reign to do pretty much anything they wanted, no matter how awful the effect on average citizens, and wouldn’t have any regulations to hold them back.
Full disclosure: I think most Democrats are just as in bed with corporations as most Republicans. I usually vote for the Peace and Freedom candidate.
October 23, 2011 at 9:55 AM #731183bearishgurl
Participant[quote=DomoArigato] . . . I know that Ron Paul is in favor of massive deregulation, so I suspect if Ron Paul were able to enact his agenda we would see a lot more of this:
The link is to a story on a small community of 15 families who live downstream from a Koch Industries subsidiary (formaldehyde resin plant) that is dumping millions of gallons of wastewater into open ditches. Among the 15 families, there have been 11 deaths from cancer and many more people are ill.
How would deregulation address this or prevent it from happening in many more places all over the U.S.? . . . [/quote]
Thanks for posting this, DomoArigato. I’m highly familiar with this region of the country and the video in your link sickened me. For several months per year, it is hot and humid there, causing waterborne illness in stagnant water that has not been polluted. Mosquitos, chiggers, stinging jellyfish and snakes abound.
A viewer might ask, why don’t these people just move? It is likely most, if not all the residents of this street have lived there for several decades. Most of the houses appear to be large and well-built on large lots in a “bucolic” woodsy setting and most, if not all these properties are no doubt paid for and currently inhabited by owners over 55 years old. These owners who built their “dream homes” decades ago cannot now easily qualify to buy another property and likely cannot sell their properties without disclosing the grossly polluted stream behind their properties so they feel “trapped.”
Another difficult-to-solve environmental problem of rural AR and neighboring OK is that chemicals from the manufacture of crystal meth have leached into their soil and waterways, causing a variety of medical problems for residents who don’t even come into contact with the ingredients or drug itself. It also has impacted homeowners’ and landowners’ ability to farm. The “meth epidemic” there migrated from SoCal about 12-14 years ago, namely from the Lakeside/Flynn Sprs area of SD County and parts of Riverside and San Bernardino Counties where it was attacked with a vengeance with the cooperation of multiple law enforcement agencies and, for the most part, eradicated. The DEA has moved into OK/AR and “set up shop,” but these rural counties often have “vulnerable” and extremely limited sheriff’s services available to them (to cooperate with the DEA).
In a town of <7000, an upstream employer of thousands of locals is revered, not only by its employees but local politicians as well. It is clear that the Koch Bros have been able to pay their way through the "system" (fines, etc). It's cheaper to pay an affected family off (and then publicize they did so) than clean up the colossal environmental mess they made of their factory's downstream area.
I often wonder what kind of toxic industrial cesspools residents of emerging countries live in who live near factories who manufacture all of the goods we Americans love to buy and count on an endless supply that we can purchase cheaply.
There is a price to pay for everything in this life and sometimes, that price is too high.
October 23, 2011 at 11:37 AM #731193Participant[quote=bearishgurl]
How would deregulation address this or prevent it from happening in many more places all over the U.S.? . . . [/quote]Deregulation won’t. But protection of private property will. If your business dumps poison on my property and causes me damage, I should be able to at a minimum sue you. If you do enough damage your corporate charter should be revoked with all assets liquidated and paid out to the victims and/or for cleanup, and potentially your managers or board members imprisoned. Strong courts, no limits on damages (see the recent documentary “Hot Coffee” for more on this topic), prison terms for offenders, a corporate “death penalty” to dissolve and distribute the capital of egregious offenders, and a good education system (to ensure competent juries) would all help towards this.
No system can totally protect you (including ours), but if you have a system that ensures offenders of property rights are punished, you can at least reduce the number of times things like this occur.
Will we ever see a system that protects the property rights of serfs as well as lords? Ha! Not likely. That’s why I’m voting Zod in 2012. Vassals and lords alike shall feel his wrath in equal measure, he doth not discriminate. Kneel before Zod!
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