Proposition 23

[no_such_reality]

Just to nitpick, the largest most successful US based company isn’t in California. It is in Texas, and it is one of those dirty old business with the original partner firm being founded back in the 1890s and being responsible for hundred years worth of economic growth, the creation of our frieght and eventually, a major cause of our anti-trust system. It is Exxon Mobil. The progeny of Rockfeller’s Standard Oil and Mobil.

Mobil of course was Vaccuum Sacony Oil, which was one of the 34 child companies of Standard Oil when it was broken up.

Global #2 is actually a neck and neck race. The company you site only climbs there on it’s recent stock surge, otherwise, the #2 is Petrol China.

That’s market cap measure.

By employment measure, that company you speak of is a true peon.

But, let’s acknowledge they are successful inspite of nearly bankrupting in the 90s and needing a bailout from Bill Gates because he was afraid of the impact of their going out of business on his company and it being broken up as a monopoly.

Given they are successful, why do they do their manufacturing elsewhere?

As for Uncle Sugar, Uncle Sugar has created many businesses. Most countries employ some versus of uncle sugar. AB32 is not an Uncle Sugar program. AB32 doesn’t pump money into Green to make Green competitive, AB32 penalizes everything else so Green can compete.

[Anonymous]

You have to indicate what measure you are using before you can name the “largest.” Depending on the measure, revenue, market cap, number of employees, etc., you will get different answers for largest.

However big oil will be at, or near the top, of any list of the largest.

[quote]AB32 penalizes everything else so Green can compete[/quote]

Use of the word “penalizes” is debatable – in fact, it is the debate.

The argument in favor of AB32 is that it imposes the full (and correct) cost on producers, instead of allowing them to pass on costs to public (in the form of pollution.)

The question:

Is it a”penalty,” or is it the elimination of an “unfair advantage.”

[Anonymous]

You have to indicate what measure you are using before you can name the “largest.” Depending on the measure, revenue, market cap, number of employees, etc., you will get different answers for largest.

However big oil will be at, or near the top, of any list of the largest.

[quote]AB32 penalizes everything else so Green can compete[/quote]

Use of the word “penalizes” is debatable – in fact, it is the debate.

The argument in favor of AB32 is that it imposes the full (and correct) cost on producers, instead of allowing them to pass on costs to public (in the form of pollution.)

The question:

Is it a”penalty,” or is it the elimination of an “unfair advantage.”

[Anonymous]

You have to indicate what measure you are using before you can name the “largest.” Depending on the measure, revenue, market cap, number of employees, etc., you will get different answers for largest.

However big oil will be at, or near the top, of any list of the largest.

[quote]AB32 penalizes everything else so Green can compete[/quote]

Use of the word “penalizes” is debatable – in fact, it is the debate.

The argument in favor of AB32 is that it imposes the full (and correct) cost on producers, instead of allowing them to pass on costs to public (in the form of pollution.)

The question:

Is it a”penalty,” or is it the elimination of an “unfair advantage.”

[Anonymous]

You have to indicate what measure you are using before you can name the “largest.” Depending on the measure, revenue, market cap, number of employees, etc., you will get different answers for largest.

However big oil will be at, or near the top, of any list of the largest.

[quote]AB32 penalizes everything else so Green can compete[/quote]

Use of the word “penalizes” is debatable – in fact, it is the debate.

The argument in favor of AB32 is that it imposes the full (and correct) cost on producers, instead of allowing them to pass on costs to public (in the form of pollution.)

The question:

Is it a”penalty,” or is it the elimination of an “unfair advantage.”

[Anonymous]

You have to indicate what measure you are using before you can name the “largest.” Depending on the measure, revenue, market cap, number of employees, etc., you will get different answers for largest.

However big oil will be at, or near the top, of any list of the largest.

[quote]AB32 penalizes everything else so Green can compete[/quote]

Use of the word “penalizes” is debatable – in fact, it is the debate.

The argument in favor of AB32 is that it imposes the full (and correct) cost on producers, instead of allowing them to pass on costs to public (in the form of pollution.)

The question:

Is it a”penalty,” or is it the elimination of an “unfair advantage.”

[sd_matt]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=sd_matt]
By your own standard. You still refuse to articulate just how AB32 will encourage the development of cheap green energy.[/quote]

Matt: All due respect, you’re arguing with a known troll. He cannot successfully articulate or advance an argument. He accuses others of being simpletons, but his retorts, such as they are, are the height of mendacity.

If you look at his inability to get facts straight, absurd extrapolations based on single data points (“Apple is successful, so ALL businesses in California are successful”) and the instant retreat to ad hominem when challenged, you’ll see immediately what you’re dealing with.

Don’t waste your breath, dude, it ain’t worth your time. Go organize your sock drawer, or watch Carrot Top videos. Its a better use of your day than crossing swords with this mental bantamweight.[/quote]

Ahh you know…it kills time

[sd_matt]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=sd_matt]
By your own standard. You still refuse to articulate just how AB32 will encourage the development of cheap green energy.[/quote]

Matt: All due respect, you’re arguing with a known troll. He cannot successfully articulate or advance an argument. He accuses others of being simpletons, but his retorts, such as they are, are the height of mendacity.

If you look at his inability to get facts straight, absurd extrapolations based on single data points (“Apple is successful, so ALL businesses in California are successful”) and the instant retreat to ad hominem when challenged, you’ll see immediately what you’re dealing with.

Don’t waste your breath, dude, it ain’t worth your time. Go organize your sock drawer, or watch Carrot Top videos. Its a better use of your day than crossing swords with this mental bantamweight.[/quote]

Ahh you know…it kills time

[sd_matt]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=sd_matt]
By your own standard. You still refuse to articulate just how AB32 will encourage the development of cheap green energy.[/quote]

Matt: All due respect, you’re arguing with a known troll. He cannot successfully articulate or advance an argument. He accuses others of being simpletons, but his retorts, such as they are, are the height of mendacity.

If you look at his inability to get facts straight, absurd extrapolations based on single data points (“Apple is successful, so ALL businesses in California are successful”) and the instant retreat to ad hominem when challenged, you’ll see immediately what you’re dealing with.

Don’t waste your breath, dude, it ain’t worth your time. Go organize your sock drawer, or watch Carrot Top videos. Its a better use of your day than crossing swords with this mental bantamweight.[/quote]

Ahh you know…it kills time

[sd_matt]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=sd_matt]
By your own standard. You still refuse to articulate just how AB32 will encourage the development of cheap green energy.[/quote]

Matt: All due respect, you’re arguing with a known troll. He cannot successfully articulate or advance an argument. He accuses others of being simpletons, but his retorts, such as they are, are the height of mendacity.

If you look at his inability to get facts straight, absurd extrapolations based on single data points (“Apple is successful, so ALL businesses in California are successful”) and the instant retreat to ad hominem when challenged, you’ll see immediately what you’re dealing with.

Don’t waste your breath, dude, it ain’t worth your time. Go organize your sock drawer, or watch Carrot Top videos. Its a better use of your day than crossing swords with this mental bantamweight.[/quote]

Ahh you know…it kills time

[sd_matt]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=sd_matt]
By your own standard. You still refuse to articulate just how AB32 will encourage the development of cheap green energy.[/quote]

Matt: All due respect, you’re arguing with a known troll. He cannot successfully articulate or advance an argument. He accuses others of being simpletons, but his retorts, such as they are, are the height of mendacity.

If you look at his inability to get facts straight, absurd extrapolations based on single data points (“Apple is successful, so ALL businesses in California are successful”) and the instant retreat to ad hominem when challenged, you’ll see immediately what you’re dealing with.

Don’t waste your breath, dude, it ain’t worth your time. Go organize your sock drawer, or watch Carrot Top videos. Its a better use of your day than crossing swords with this mental bantamweight.[/quote]

Ahh you know…it kills time

[sd_matt]

[quote=pri_dk]You have to indicate what measure you are using before you can name the “largest.” Depending on the measure, revenue, market cap, number of employees, etc., you will get different answers for largest.

However big oil will be at, or near the top, of any list of the largest.

[quote]AB32 penalizes everything else so Green can compete[/quote]

Use of the word “penalizes” is debatable – in fact, it is the debate.

The argument in favor of AB32 is that it imposes the full (and correct) cost on producers, instead of allowing them to pass on costs to public (in the form of pollution.)

The question:

Is it a”penalty,” or is it the elimination of an “unfair advantage.”[/quote]
If AB 32 played “Uncle Sugar” to anyone that made green energy cheaper than fossil fuels (more specifically able to compete without gov’t subsidies) I would be all for it.

As it stands I’ve asked BGIG the question at least two times. I’ll ask it again Mr Troll..ahem…BGIG…What does AB 32 do that rewards the person/entity that makes the cheap green thneed?

[sd_matt]

[quote=pri_dk]You have to indicate what measure you are using before you can name the “largest.” Depending on the measure, revenue, market cap, number of employees, etc., you will get different answers for largest.

However big oil will be at, or near the top, of any list of the largest.

[quote]AB32 penalizes everything else so Green can compete[/quote]

Use of the word “penalizes” is debatable – in fact, it is the debate.

The argument in favor of AB32 is that it imposes the full (and correct) cost on producers, instead of allowing them to pass on costs to public (in the form of pollution.)

The question:

Is it a”penalty,” or is it the elimination of an “unfair advantage.”[/quote]
If AB 32 played “Uncle Sugar” to anyone that made green energy cheaper than fossil fuels (more specifically able to compete without gov’t subsidies) I would be all for it.

As it stands I’ve asked BGIG the question at least two times. I’ll ask it again Mr Troll..ahem…BGIG…What does AB 32 do that rewards the person/entity that makes the cheap green thneed?

[sd_matt]

[quote=pri_dk]You have to indicate what measure you are using before you can name the “largest.” Depending on the measure, revenue, market cap, number of employees, etc., you will get different answers for largest.

However big oil will be at, or near the top, of any list of the largest.

[quote]AB32 penalizes everything else so Green can compete[/quote]

Use of the word “penalizes” is debatable – in fact, it is the debate.

The argument in favor of AB32 is that it imposes the full (and correct) cost on producers, instead of allowing them to pass on costs to public (in the form of pollution.)

The question:

Is it a”penalty,” or is it the elimination of an “unfair advantage.”[/quote]
If AB 32 played “Uncle Sugar” to anyone that made green energy cheaper than fossil fuels (more specifically able to compete without gov’t subsidies) I would be all for it.

As it stands I’ve asked BGIG the question at least two times. I’ll ask it again Mr Troll..ahem…BGIG…What does AB 32 do that rewards the person/entity that makes the cheap green thneed?

[sd_matt]

[quote=pri_dk]You have to indicate what measure you are using before you can name the “largest.” Depending on the measure, revenue, market cap, number of employees, etc., you will get different answers for largest.

However big oil will be at, or near the top, of any list of the largest.

[quote]AB32 penalizes everything else so Green can compete[/quote]

Use of the word “penalizes” is debatable – in fact, it is the debate.

The argument in favor of AB32 is that it imposes the full (and correct) cost on producers, instead of allowing them to pass on costs to public (in the form of pollution.)

The question:

Is it a”penalty,” or is it the elimination of an “unfair advantage.”[/quote]
If AB 32 played “Uncle Sugar” to anyone that made green energy cheaper than fossil fuels (more specifically able to compete without gov’t subsidies) I would be all for it.

As it stands I’ve asked BGIG the question at least two times. I’ll ask it again Mr Troll..ahem…BGIG…What does AB 32 do that rewards the person/entity that makes the cheap green thneed?

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