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[CA renter]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=BigGovernmentIsGood]

Further, the oil spill itself caused way more economic damage than the moratorium. The article I posted earlier in this thread said 25% of the nation’s small businesses were negatively impacted by the oil spill.
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Glad to see you agree the Government regulation ADDED to the damages.

That’s right, the Government regulations took a bad situation and made it worse. This is typical Government regulation impact. Clean water is good, clean air is good. Something is funny when a business has to put water into the sewer cleaner than it comes out of the tap because of their business and the regulations.

What examples do we have? Hmm, I don’t know. Why did Denny’s restuarants, a local California firm move it’s HQ jobs out of California?

Why did Nissan move it’s work from Los Angeles’ South Bay to Tennesee?

Why does Apple manufacture it’s computers in China?

DayStar makes Photovoltaic cells, guess what, they’re setting up manufacturing overseas instead of here in California.

SMA America manufactures Solar Power systems based in the Bay Area, where are they building their new $200 Million plant? Denver.

Power One, a Camarillo manufacture of Solar Power systems is building in Phoenix, 350 jobs to Phoenix instead of California.[/quote]

I’d guess that has more to do with cheap labor than excessive regulations. Not that I think things should be over-regulated, just that regulations can benefit us even more than no regulations. There is a balance.

[no_such_reality]

How much balance do you think CARB had in their Off Road Diesel Rules based on bad data and a ‘scientest’ with forged credentials?

[no_such_reality]

How much balance do you think CARB had in their Off Road Diesel Rules based on bad data and a ‘scientest’ with forged credentials?

[no_such_reality]

How much balance do you think CARB had in their Off Road Diesel Rules based on bad data and a ‘scientest’ with forged credentials?

[no_such_reality]

How much balance do you think CARB had in their Off Road Diesel Rules based on bad data and a ‘scientest’ with forged credentials?

[no_such_reality]

How much balance do you think CARB had in their Off Road Diesel Rules based on bad data and a ‘scientest’ with forged credentials?

[sd_matt]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood][quote=luchabee]
In response to your question above, your question is either carefully crafted to be intentionally misleading (e.g., single environmental regulation), and a likely a fallacy of composition, or perhaps you have never run a private business and dealt with the layers of layers of regulation needed to operate a business in California. It is the stacks of regulations and taxes that keep businesses from hiring more poor and working class folks and this is a significant reason why California and American businesses are failing or moving overseas.
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Just as I suspected, you can’t cite any environmental regulations that have caused economic harm, so you fall back on the same, old, tired ‘regulation is bad’ meme. Weak. The business I work for is thriving. I’ve also started a side business that appears to be taking off. If the businesses you are associated with are failing, I suspect it is because you are a failure and has nothing to do with environmental regulations.[/quote]

By your own standard. You still refuse to articulate just how AB32 will encourage the development of cheap green energy.

[sd_matt]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood][quote=luchabee]
In response to your question above, your question is either carefully crafted to be intentionally misleading (e.g., single environmental regulation), and a likely a fallacy of composition, or perhaps you have never run a private business and dealt with the layers of layers of regulation needed to operate a business in California. It is the stacks of regulations and taxes that keep businesses from hiring more poor and working class folks and this is a significant reason why California and American businesses are failing or moving overseas.
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Just as I suspected, you can’t cite any environmental regulations that have caused economic harm, so you fall back on the same, old, tired ‘regulation is bad’ meme. Weak. The business I work for is thriving. I’ve also started a side business that appears to be taking off. If the businesses you are associated with are failing, I suspect it is because you are a failure and has nothing to do with environmental regulations.[/quote]

By your own standard. You still refuse to articulate just how AB32 will encourage the development of cheap green energy.

[sd_matt]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood][quote=luchabee]
In response to your question above, your question is either carefully crafted to be intentionally misleading (e.g., single environmental regulation), and a likely a fallacy of composition, or perhaps you have never run a private business and dealt with the layers of layers of regulation needed to operate a business in California. It is the stacks of regulations and taxes that keep businesses from hiring more poor and working class folks and this is a significant reason why California and American businesses are failing or moving overseas.
[/quote]

Just as I suspected, you can’t cite any environmental regulations that have caused economic harm, so you fall back on the same, old, tired ‘regulation is bad’ meme. Weak. The business I work for is thriving. I’ve also started a side business that appears to be taking off. If the businesses you are associated with are failing, I suspect it is because you are a failure and has nothing to do with environmental regulations.[/quote]

By your own standard. You still refuse to articulate just how AB32 will encourage the development of cheap green energy.

[sd_matt]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood][quote=luchabee]
In response to your question above, your question is either carefully crafted to be intentionally misleading (e.g., single environmental regulation), and a likely a fallacy of composition, or perhaps you have never run a private business and dealt with the layers of layers of regulation needed to operate a business in California. It is the stacks of regulations and taxes that keep businesses from hiring more poor and working class folks and this is a significant reason why California and American businesses are failing or moving overseas.
[/quote]

Just as I suspected, you can’t cite any environmental regulations that have caused economic harm, so you fall back on the same, old, tired ‘regulation is bad’ meme. Weak. The business I work for is thriving. I’ve also started a side business that appears to be taking off. If the businesses you are associated with are failing, I suspect it is because you are a failure and has nothing to do with environmental regulations.[/quote]

By your own standard. You still refuse to articulate just how AB32 will encourage the development of cheap green energy.

[sd_matt]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood][quote=luchabee]
In response to your question above, your question is either carefully crafted to be intentionally misleading (e.g., single environmental regulation), and a likely a fallacy of composition, or perhaps you have never run a private business and dealt with the layers of layers of regulation needed to operate a business in California. It is the stacks of regulations and taxes that keep businesses from hiring more poor and working class folks and this is a significant reason why California and American businesses are failing or moving overseas.
[/quote]

Just as I suspected, you can’t cite any environmental regulations that have caused economic harm, so you fall back on the same, old, tired ‘regulation is bad’ meme. Weak. The business I work for is thriving. I’ve also started a side business that appears to be taking off. If the businesses you are associated with are failing, I suspect it is because you are a failure and has nothing to do with environmental regulations.[/quote]

By your own standard. You still refuse to articulate just how AB32 will encourage the development of cheap green energy.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=sd_matt]
By your own standard. You still refuse to articulate just how AB32 will encourage the development of cheap green energy.[/quote]

Matt: All due respect, you’re arguing with a known troll. He cannot successfully articulate or advance an argument. He accuses others of being simpletons, but his retorts, such as they are, are the height of mendacity.

If you look at his inability to get facts straight, absurd extrapolations based on single data points (“Apple is successful, so ALL businesses in California are successful”) and the instant retreat to ad hominem when challenged, you’ll see immediately what you’re dealing with.

Don’t waste your breath, dude, it ain’t worth your time. Go organize your sock drawer, or watch Carrot Top videos. Its a better use of your day than crossing swords with this mental bantamweight.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=sd_matt]
By your own standard. You still refuse to articulate just how AB32 will encourage the development of cheap green energy.[/quote]

Matt: All due respect, you’re arguing with a known troll. He cannot successfully articulate or advance an argument. He accuses others of being simpletons, but his retorts, such as they are, are the height of mendacity.

If you look at his inability to get facts straight, absurd extrapolations based on single data points (“Apple is successful, so ALL businesses in California are successful”) and the instant retreat to ad hominem when challenged, you’ll see immediately what you’re dealing with.

Don’t waste your breath, dude, it ain’t worth your time. Go organize your sock drawer, or watch Carrot Top videos. Its a better use of your day than crossing swords with this mental bantamweight.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=sd_matt]
By your own standard. You still refuse to articulate just how AB32 will encourage the development of cheap green energy.[/quote]

Matt: All due respect, you’re arguing with a known troll. He cannot successfully articulate or advance an argument. He accuses others of being simpletons, but his retorts, such as they are, are the height of mendacity.

If you look at his inability to get facts straight, absurd extrapolations based on single data points (“Apple is successful, so ALL businesses in California are successful”) and the instant retreat to ad hominem when challenged, you’ll see immediately what you’re dealing with.

Don’t waste your breath, dude, it ain’t worth your time. Go organize your sock drawer, or watch Carrot Top videos. Its a better use of your day than crossing swords with this mental bantamweight.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=sd_matt]
By your own standard. You still refuse to articulate just how AB32 will encourage the development of cheap green energy.[/quote]

Matt: All due respect, you’re arguing with a known troll. He cannot successfully articulate or advance an argument. He accuses others of being simpletons, but his retorts, such as they are, are the height of mendacity.

If you look at his inability to get facts straight, absurd extrapolations based on single data points (“Apple is successful, so ALL businesses in California are successful”) and the instant retreat to ad hominem when challenged, you’ll see immediately what you’re dealing with.

Don’t waste your breath, dude, it ain’t worth your time. Go organize your sock drawer, or watch Carrot Top videos. Its a better use of your day than crossing swords with this mental bantamweight.

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