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September 16, 2006 at 9:55 AM #7520September 16, 2006 at 10:07 AM #355464plexownerParticipant
One of my co-workers lives in a gated community.
In a recent conversation he said that he likes it when the gates are broken because they are “a pain in the ass”.September 16, 2006 at 10:10 AM #35547
I’m not a fan of community gates.
At the townhome I was at, our HOA funds were debited often by having to fix it. The association president was called often to come manually open it. And it becomes a liability in trying to attract drive-bys when you go to sell it.
The semi-plusses: the illusion of security (robbers on foot could have jumped our 4′ side gate)–maybe there are other models that actually are more secure. “Gated community” sounds nice when you sell it. Less drive-through traffic, but that wasn’t a problem in the first place since the street leading into my community was an obvious dead end.September 16, 2006 at 10:19 AM #35548PeaceParticipant
I’m not sure it is the case here in CA, but in AZ the neighborhood streets had to be private vs public to gate the community. In other words the neighborhood owned the streets = huge expense for street maintenance.September 16, 2006 at 12:35 PM #35566PerryChaseParticipant
I think that cities like gated communities. It shifts the burden of street maintenance onto the private sector.
I hate gated commmunities. But I think that they’re the way new developments are going.September 21, 2006 at 10:14 AM #35962
On the subject of gated communities, this is a good laugh.
The person who gave this to me says hes a English actor impersonating a Kazakstan buying in America.September 21, 2006 at 10:49 AM #35964The-ShovelerParticipant
HOA’s are a threat to america and a free way of life.
I HATE !!!! really HATE !!! HATE HATE HATE !!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!September 21, 2006 at 11:11 AM #35965CarlsbadlivingParticipant
I couldn’t agree more.
When it does come time to buy, I will do everything in my power to avoid buying into an HOA.
I always remember my dad saying “I’d much rather put up with a broken down car in somebodies front yard than someone telling me I can’t put up a basketball hoop.”September 21, 2006 at 11:52 AM #35966
I purchased a townhome whose community was under development, the HOA dues was something like $50/month (7 years ago, can’t remember exact amount). At the time I didn’t really know how much HOA dues *should* be, and $50 didn’t look like anything to be worried about. Well, buyer beware. It went from $50 to $248 in 4 years, because 1. the HOA didn’t cover what needed to be covered. and 2. the community went through litigation due to defective building (on which we prevailed).
Lesson learned: HOA dues may be set artificially low on new communities so as to not scare away buyers, but will later get inceased at the discretion of the homeowners board according to the actual bills that need to get paid.
They didn’t fully finish my lot either. I happened to be the only lot that had a slope that was landscapable, but wasn’t landscaped, and of course it wasn’t irrigated. So when I did the work myself (getting permission from a president who then resigned), the association raised hell. So while I underwent harrassment from the neighbors while I wheelbarrowed two yards of dirt around the building, carried heavy landscaping bricks through my unit, and constructed retaining walls to finally complete my project. Took a while to bury the hatchet with the neighbors, and some of them actually told me I did a great job. I compromised by not promising to manually irrigate the new area (but hopefully the future owner will discover the irrigation valve and quietly start watering it off of the community system.)
Living in condos is nice for some, but you sure lose a lot of self-autonomy in the process–I’ll never do that again. People who actually *like* living in places like this are not expecting renegade neighbors such as myself and prefer HOAs to tend to every detail of their house.September 21, 2006 at 11:53 AM #35968PerryChaseParticipant
I don’t know of any new development in San Diego that doesn’t have HOA. A gated community is not the same thing as HOA. All townhouses and condos have HOAs.
I also hate HOA and gated communities.
A friend of mine lives in a non HOA, 1990’s community but they have a special road and park assessment. That works out about the same as HOA.
The only way to buy a non-HOA house is to buy an old house in an established neighborhood and restore it. I’m thinking about getting a Bay Park or South La Jolla house when the market crashes. The problem with an old house is that you either have the money to do the work all at once, or you end up living for years in a house with bad plumbing, insulation, etc…. I believe one reason people buy new houses is that they can finance the upgrades (custom carpet, cabinets, marble, A/C, etc… ).September 21, 2006 at 12:04 PM #35969
You’re right, I am associating HOAs to condos when many new communities of any sort have them (everything has to get more expensive, one way or another). And by the way, I do support rules that help keep up the appearance of the neighborhood to protect investment and quality of life. I don’t know where one draws the line on what should and shouldn’t be, but I do think streets should not be used as salvage yards. This does entail some HOA oversight, but that can be done without dues.
I am also biased towards buying a property that needs renovation. Buying upgrades upfront, as discussed earlier in another thread, involves paying more than doing the work yourself and going with someone else’s taste. A better financing plan is to do this on a home equity loan, but of course that depends on having equity to start with.September 21, 2006 at 12:18 PM #35970speedingpulletParticipant
The person who gave this to me says hes a English actor impersonating a Kazakstan buying in America.
Ah, yes, the multi-talented Sasha Baron-Cohen, a.k.a ‘Ali G’.
I’m well aquainted with Ali G, but haven’t seen much of Borat due to not living in the UK anymore.
Doubtless using much the same format as the late ‘Ali G’ – hapless, stupid person (S B-C) talks to ‘expert’ and asks the kinds of questions only a true idiot would, thus reducing most of the audience to helpless laughter.
OK, doesn’t sound so funny maybe, but the questions really do come from left of Left Field and Sasha Baron-Cohen is easily as intelligent and educated as his ‘prey’ and can thus ask loaded questions under the guise of stupidity.
OK, I guess you just had to be there…;-)
I’ll quit while I’m behind..
On the subject of Gated Communities – I personally would not live in one even if I was paid to. My first two questons are always
‘who are you trying to keep out?’ and
‘who are you trying to keep in?’
And, on the whole, the houses in gated communities tend to be McMansions, and waay too big for me and The Other Half.
Not only is it the height of snobbery and paranoia (‘ooohh, my place is so special that I have to have a guard!!!’), its an invasion of my privacy having to have guests sign in and out – who’s business is it, but mine, whom I chose to have visit?.
Plus, its an incentive for burglars to case the place out – if its that exclusive it must be rich for robbing!
Plus the stupid HOAs/attitude – why should I pay to turn my neighbourhood into a security-crazed compound, and why would my neighbours be interested in the precise length of my lawn?
I’m a good neighbour -I’m quiet, clean, tidy, don’t play loud music, stay up late at night having parties, don’t leave junk in my driveway or dump old cars on my lawn. What’s not to like? Why are my standards less acceptable than some homogeneous Neighbourhood Council, to which i have to pay money every month? The irony being that most gated communities are in already affluent areas…
I’m sure lots of people enjoy living under those circumstances and conditions, but for me its the definitive ‘entitlement groupthink’ taken to its most ludicrous extreme.
Sorry, rant overSeptember 21, 2006 at 1:44 PM #35986heavydParticipant
It is ironic that most of the gated communities I see are in communities with extremely low crime rates. There should be no premium for the gated community; you pay for the perceived added security in the form of high monthly HOA fees. Seems I am preaching to the choir here, but the marginal benefit gained (less traffic, enhanced security) are more than offset by the silly restrictions, ie, “you can paint your home any one of these shades of beige”. I am renting in a gated community in Carmel Valley and the neighborhood teenagers are just as rowdy (if not more so) that I was growing up in an older community in the East County. I personally don’t see the benefit…fact is in places like Santa Luz, between Mello-Roos and HOA fees, you are $800-1000 out of pocket every month before you’ve even started to pay towards the mortgage and property taxes…just makes no sense to me.September 21, 2006 at 1:57 PM #35988(former)FormerSanDieganParticipant
I’d pay extra to NOT live in a gated community. Luckily I don’t have to.September 21, 2006 at 2:40 PM #35992no_such_realityParticipant
Isn’t the current trend gated without gates?
The gate houses, entry way, and possibly even gate are built, but they are in the permenantly open position so that the gate maintenance and hassle is removed. The community has the appearance of a gate, without the hassle.
I think the reasoning is that the drive by trouble makers keep driving and the ones that’ll look close enough to see there’s no gate guard are coming in anyway.
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