Power Lines

[Allan from Fallbrook]

“Well, then that really isn’t top secret. That would be company confidential or company secret. Which, an in case, talking about it outside the company breeched his/her code of conduct. not to mention if the evidence was so damning to the company, and with dire consequence, why oh why wasn’t the whistle blown on this?”

Flu: Exactly my point earlier.

[Coronita]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]FLU: My old man was an aerospace engineer for Ford Aerospace in Palo Alto back in the early 1970s through the late 1980s (when he retired).

He worked on the Intelsat and Milsat (intelligence and military satellites, like the KH-11 Vulture) programs and had Top Secret clearance. He had worked on the F4 Phantom avionics program in El Segundo prior to that, where he also had a Top Secret clearance.

There was an instance when a Top Secret document was misplaced and they locked his building down for a day and a half, trying to find it. They even called in a USAF investigator following, and went through a rigorous teardown of existing procedures to make sure it didn’t happen again.

I grew up in the Bay Area during a period when defense companies like Lockheed, Ford Aerospace and the NAS Moffett/NASA Ames complex employed a lot of people, many of whom had Top Secret clearances. I also remember the fact that most of those folks did NOT discuss the projects or programs they were working on, simply because the risks were too high and you never knew who was listening (like when they discovered a Polish government spy posing as a janitor at Western Digital out in Sunnyvale).

The idea that some intern is running around with access to Top Secret data is hooey. Pure and simple.[/quote]

Actually, my dad (retired) was a defense engineer. So i never knew what he worked on. He told me jokingly that he could tell me but then he would have to kill me. So like I said, it was quite a rigorous process to getting a security clearance, not to mention expensive. I think he followed the defense trend from Texas, to Sunnyvale, to LA.

That said, stupid stuff does happen. Read about the “Falcon and the Snowman”. True story.

Anyway, given all the crap some chinese dude got at Los Almos Labs for suspected treason, and the general stuff my dad said about being taiwanese and growing tensions with china and us even early on, I took the rare occasion of listening to him and decided never to work for a defense company. evar.

[Coronita]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]FLU: My old man was an aerospace engineer for Ford Aerospace in Palo Alto back in the early 1970s through the late 1980s (when he retired).

He worked on the Intelsat and Milsat (intelligence and military satellites, like the KH-11 Vulture) programs and had Top Secret clearance. He had worked on the F4 Phantom avionics program in El Segundo prior to that, where he also had a Top Secret clearance.

There was an instance when a Top Secret document was misplaced and they locked his building down for a day and a half, trying to find it. They even called in a USAF investigator following, and went through a rigorous teardown of existing procedures to make sure it didn’t happen again.

I grew up in the Bay Area during a period when defense companies like Lockheed, Ford Aerospace and the NAS Moffett/NASA Ames complex employed a lot of people, many of whom had Top Secret clearances. I also remember the fact that most of those folks did NOT discuss the projects or programs they were working on, simply because the risks were too high and you never knew who was listening (like when they discovered a Polish government spy posing as a janitor at Western Digital out in Sunnyvale).

The idea that some intern is running around with access to Top Secret data is hooey. Pure and simple.[/quote]

Actually, my dad (retired) was a defense engineer. So i never knew what he worked on. He told me jokingly that he could tell me but then he would have to kill me. So like I said, it was quite a rigorous process to getting a security clearance, not to mention expensive. I think he followed the defense trend from Texas, to Sunnyvale, to LA.

That said, stupid stuff does happen. Read about the “Falcon and the Snowman”. True story.

Anyway, given all the crap some chinese dude got at Los Almos Labs for suspected treason, and the general stuff my dad said about being taiwanese and growing tensions with china and us even early on, I took the rare occasion of listening to him and decided never to work for a defense company. evar.

[Coronita]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]FLU: My old man was an aerospace engineer for Ford Aerospace in Palo Alto back in the early 1970s through the late 1980s (when he retired).

He worked on the Intelsat and Milsat (intelligence and military satellites, like the KH-11 Vulture) programs and had Top Secret clearance. He had worked on the F4 Phantom avionics program in El Segundo prior to that, where he also had a Top Secret clearance.

There was an instance when a Top Secret document was misplaced and they locked his building down for a day and a half, trying to find it. They even called in a USAF investigator following, and went through a rigorous teardown of existing procedures to make sure it didn’t happen again.

I grew up in the Bay Area during a period when defense companies like Lockheed, Ford Aerospace and the NAS Moffett/NASA Ames complex employed a lot of people, many of whom had Top Secret clearances. I also remember the fact that most of those folks did NOT discuss the projects or programs they were working on, simply because the risks were too high and you never knew who was listening (like when they discovered a Polish government spy posing as a janitor at Western Digital out in Sunnyvale).

The idea that some intern is running around with access to Top Secret data is hooey. Pure and simple.[/quote]

Actually, my dad (retired) was a defense engineer. So i never knew what he worked on. He told me jokingly that he could tell me but then he would have to kill me. So like I said, it was quite a rigorous process to getting a security clearance, not to mention expensive. I think he followed the defense trend from Texas, to Sunnyvale, to LA.

That said, stupid stuff does happen. Read about the “Falcon and the Snowman”. True story.

Anyway, given all the crap some chinese dude got at Los Almos Labs for suspected treason, and the general stuff my dad said about being taiwanese and growing tensions with china and us even early on, I took the rare occasion of listening to him and decided never to work for a defense company. evar.

[Coronita]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]FLU: My old man was an aerospace engineer for Ford Aerospace in Palo Alto back in the early 1970s through the late 1980s (when he retired).

He worked on the Intelsat and Milsat (intelligence and military satellites, like the KH-11 Vulture) programs and had Top Secret clearance. He had worked on the F4 Phantom avionics program in El Segundo prior to that, where he also had a Top Secret clearance.

There was an instance when a Top Secret document was misplaced and they locked his building down for a day and a half, trying to find it. They even called in a USAF investigator following, and went through a rigorous teardown of existing procedures to make sure it didn’t happen again.

I grew up in the Bay Area during a period when defense companies like Lockheed, Ford Aerospace and the NAS Moffett/NASA Ames complex employed a lot of people, many of whom had Top Secret clearances. I also remember the fact that most of those folks did NOT discuss the projects or programs they were working on, simply because the risks were too high and you never knew who was listening (like when they discovered a Polish government spy posing as a janitor at Western Digital out in Sunnyvale).

The idea that some intern is running around with access to Top Secret data is hooey. Pure and simple.[/quote]

Actually, my dad (retired) was a defense engineer. So i never knew what he worked on. He told me jokingly that he could tell me but then he would have to kill me. So like I said, it was quite a rigorous process to getting a security clearance, not to mention expensive. I think he followed the defense trend from Texas, to Sunnyvale, to LA.

That said, stupid stuff does happen. Read about the “Falcon and the Snowman”. True story.

Anyway, given all the crap some chinese dude got at Los Almos Labs for suspected treason, and the general stuff my dad said about being taiwanese and growing tensions with china and us even early on, I took the rare occasion of listening to him and decided never to work for a defense company. evar.

[Coronita]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]FLU: My old man was an aerospace engineer for Ford Aerospace in Palo Alto back in the early 1970s through the late 1980s (when he retired).

He worked on the Intelsat and Milsat (intelligence and military satellites, like the KH-11 Vulture) programs and had Top Secret clearance. He had worked on the F4 Phantom avionics program in El Segundo prior to that, where he also had a Top Secret clearance.

There was an instance when a Top Secret document was misplaced and they locked his building down for a day and a half, trying to find it. They even called in a USAF investigator following, and went through a rigorous teardown of existing procedures to make sure it didn’t happen again.

I grew up in the Bay Area during a period when defense companies like Lockheed, Ford Aerospace and the NAS Moffett/NASA Ames complex employed a lot of people, many of whom had Top Secret clearances. I also remember the fact that most of those folks did NOT discuss the projects or programs they were working on, simply because the risks were too high and you never knew who was listening (like when they discovered a Polish government spy posing as a janitor at Western Digital out in Sunnyvale).

The idea that some intern is running around with access to Top Secret data is hooey. Pure and simple.[/quote]

Actually, my dad (retired) was a defense engineer. So i never knew what he worked on. He told me jokingly that he could tell me but then he would have to kill me. So like I said, it was quite a rigorous process to getting a security clearance, not to mention expensive. I think he followed the defense trend from Texas, to Sunnyvale, to LA.

That said, stupid stuff does happen. Read about the “Falcon and the Snowman”. True story.

Anyway, given all the crap some chinese dude got at Los Almos Labs for suspected treason, and the general stuff my dad said about being taiwanese and growing tensions with china and us even early on, I took the rare occasion of listening to him and decided never to work for a defense company. evar.

[UCGal]

The post about top secret says specifically it was “in house” studies from the power distribution company. So this isn’t a DOD top secret.

Private sector rarely follows the governments prefered terminology. I’ve worked for a defense contractor and in private sector – both have used the term “top secret”. The difference is the defense contractor prefaced it with “DOD” or “Government”.

As far as the power lines- it reduces the resale potential – so that should be enough of a discouraging factor. If I wanted to be ultimately paranoid I’d say it matters a lot. I lived under power lines in Clairemont till I was 4. My parents bought the house a year before I was born. (The ones that are just east of Mt. Everest, south of Balboa). Who knows if this is/was a factor in the fact that 3 of my 4 immediate family members have died of cancer in the past 5 years. Parents and older brother. Probably not related… but who knows for sure.

[UCGal]

The post about top secret says specifically it was “in house” studies from the power distribution company. So this isn’t a DOD top secret.

Private sector rarely follows the governments prefered terminology. I’ve worked for a defense contractor and in private sector – both have used the term “top secret”. The difference is the defense contractor prefaced it with “DOD” or “Government”.

As far as the power lines- it reduces the resale potential – so that should be enough of a discouraging factor. If I wanted to be ultimately paranoid I’d say it matters a lot. I lived under power lines in Clairemont till I was 4. My parents bought the house a year before I was born. (The ones that are just east of Mt. Everest, south of Balboa). Who knows if this is/was a factor in the fact that 3 of my 4 immediate family members have died of cancer in the past 5 years. Parents and older brother. Probably not related… but who knows for sure.

[UCGal]

The post about top secret says specifically it was “in house” studies from the power distribution company. So this isn’t a DOD top secret.

Private sector rarely follows the governments prefered terminology. I’ve worked for a defense contractor and in private sector – both have used the term “top secret”. The difference is the defense contractor prefaced it with “DOD” or “Government”.

As far as the power lines- it reduces the resale potential – so that should be enough of a discouraging factor. If I wanted to be ultimately paranoid I’d say it matters a lot. I lived under power lines in Clairemont till I was 4. My parents bought the house a year before I was born. (The ones that are just east of Mt. Everest, south of Balboa). Who knows if this is/was a factor in the fact that 3 of my 4 immediate family members have died of cancer in the past 5 years. Parents and older brother. Probably not related… but who knows for sure.

[UCGal]

The post about top secret says specifically it was “in house” studies from the power distribution company. So this isn’t a DOD top secret.

Private sector rarely follows the governments prefered terminology. I’ve worked for a defense contractor and in private sector – both have used the term “top secret”. The difference is the defense contractor prefaced it with “DOD” or “Government”.

As far as the power lines- it reduces the resale potential – so that should be enough of a discouraging factor. If I wanted to be ultimately paranoid I’d say it matters a lot. I lived under power lines in Clairemont till I was 4. My parents bought the house a year before I was born. (The ones that are just east of Mt. Everest, south of Balboa). Who knows if this is/was a factor in the fact that 3 of my 4 immediate family members have died of cancer in the past 5 years. Parents and older brother. Probably not related… but who knows for sure.

[UCGal]

The post about top secret says specifically it was “in house” studies from the power distribution company. So this isn’t a DOD top secret.

Private sector rarely follows the governments prefered terminology. I’ve worked for a defense contractor and in private sector – both have used the term “top secret”. The difference is the defense contractor prefaced it with “DOD” or “Government”.

As far as the power lines- it reduces the resale potential – so that should be enough of a discouraging factor. If I wanted to be ultimately paranoid I’d say it matters a lot. I lived under power lines in Clairemont till I was 4. My parents bought the house a year before I was born. (The ones that are just east of Mt. Everest, south of Balboa). Who knows if this is/was a factor in the fact that 3 of my 4 immediate family members have died of cancer in the past 5 years. Parents and older brother. Probably not related… but who knows for sure.

[ibjames]

[quote=UCGal]The post about top secret says specifically it was “in house” studies from the power distribution company. So this isn’t a DOD top secret.

Private sector rarely follows the governments prefered terminology. I’ve worked for a defense contractor and in private sector – both have used the term “top secret”. The difference is the defense contractor prefaced it with “DOD” or “Government”.

As far as the power lines- it reduces the resale potential – so that should be enough of a discouraging factor. If I wanted to be ultimately paranoid I’d say it matters a lot. I lived under power lines in Clairemont till I was 4. My parents bought the house a year before I was born. (The ones that are just east of Mt. Everest, south of Balboa). Who knows if this is/was a factor in the fact that 3 of my 4 immediate family members have died of cancer in the past 5 years. Parents and older brother. Probably not related… but who knows for sure.[/quote]

that is enough for me to not buy near powerlines!

[ibjames]

[quote=UCGal]The post about top secret says specifically it was “in house” studies from the power distribution company. So this isn’t a DOD top secret.

Private sector rarely follows the governments prefered terminology. I’ve worked for a defense contractor and in private sector – both have used the term “top secret”. The difference is the defense contractor prefaced it with “DOD” or “Government”.

As far as the power lines- it reduces the resale potential – so that should be enough of a discouraging factor. If I wanted to be ultimately paranoid I’d say it matters a lot. I lived under power lines in Clairemont till I was 4. My parents bought the house a year before I was born. (The ones that are just east of Mt. Everest, south of Balboa). Who knows if this is/was a factor in the fact that 3 of my 4 immediate family members have died of cancer in the past 5 years. Parents and older brother. Probably not related… but who knows for sure.[/quote]

that is enough for me to not buy near powerlines!

[ibjames]

[quote=UCGal]The post about top secret says specifically it was “in house” studies from the power distribution company. So this isn’t a DOD top secret.

Private sector rarely follows the governments prefered terminology. I’ve worked for a defense contractor and in private sector – both have used the term “top secret”. The difference is the defense contractor prefaced it with “DOD” or “Government”.

As far as the power lines- it reduces the resale potential – so that should be enough of a discouraging factor. If I wanted to be ultimately paranoid I’d say it matters a lot. I lived under power lines in Clairemont till I was 4. My parents bought the house a year before I was born. (The ones that are just east of Mt. Everest, south of Balboa). Who knows if this is/was a factor in the fact that 3 of my 4 immediate family members have died of cancer in the past 5 years. Parents and older brother. Probably not related… but who knows for sure.[/quote]

that is enough for me to not buy near powerlines!

[ibjames]

[quote=UCGal]The post about top secret says specifically it was “in house” studies from the power distribution company. So this isn’t a DOD top secret.

Private sector rarely follows the governments prefered terminology. I’ve worked for a defense contractor and in private sector – both have used the term “top secret”. The difference is the defense contractor prefaced it with “DOD” or “Government”.

As far as the power lines- it reduces the resale potential – so that should be enough of a discouraging factor. If I wanted to be ultimately paranoid I’d say it matters a lot. I lived under power lines in Clairemont till I was 4. My parents bought the house a year before I was born. (The ones that are just east of Mt. Everest, south of Balboa). Who knows if this is/was a factor in the fact that 3 of my 4 immediate family members have died of cancer in the past 5 years. Parents and older brother. Probably not related… but who knows for sure.[/quote]

that is enough for me to not buy near powerlines!

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