OT- Zimmerman v. Martin

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The Trayvon Marting killing is interesting.

I’m starting to believe that George Zimmerman’s dad who is a retired judge is coaching his son how to beat the system.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/george-zimmermans-justified-defense/2012/03/30/gIQApeqVlS_blog.html

It will be interesting to see how technology helps resolve this case. You have cell phone records, video and 911 recordings. How will enhancing those recording provide insights into the truth?

If Zimmerman was injured by Martin, did he seek medical treatment?

Fascinating case.

[ocrenter]

It is the South.

This is expected.

[paramount]

I’m not sure what to believe at this point; it’s been over a month since the incident. I think as time passed ‘facts’ have become distorted.

[ocrenter]

[quote=paramount]I’m not sure what to believe at this point; it’s been over a month since the incident. I think as time passed ‘facts’ have become distorted.[/quote]

The facts are all there. Zimmerman was trailing the kid on the 911 tape. That is evidence this was not a “stand your ground” defense.

There was no physical sign of harm on Zimmerman on the police tape. Refuting his claim he was bloodied by Martin.

The coroner report on Martin did not indicate any physical altercation took place.

An African American’s life is intrinsically worth less in this country, that is a fact. Especially in the South. I have friends that grew up in the South. They tell me racism is so intrenched and ingrained into the culture and so deeply woven into the society that there is no hope for equality there except in name.

What the police did does not surprise me, at all.

[svelte]

This is not a clear cut case.

Rodney King, with the beating caught on tape, that was clear cut.

With this one, either side’s version of the truth could have actually happened. I’m gonna sit this one out and let the legal system decide based on all evidence.

I do find it absurd that people who haven’t heard all the evidence are protesting injustice (not referring to piggs, but to the gatherings I’ve seen in the news) prior to a thorough hearing of all relevant aspects.

And there seems to be an assumption that he was followed because he was black. Would he still have been followed if he was a white kid in a hoodie? I can tell you a few teens have walked through my neighborhood that I’ve kept a close eye on, and they were white.

[briansd1]

The rules of neighborhood watch don’t allow following suspects and patroling with guns. You watch and report supicious activities to police.

Zimmerman was a cop wannabe and a vigilante.

Zimmerman claims a broken nose and injuries from the attack. But then he goes into hiding so that his injuries miraculously heal before the reappers in public.

To me this reeks of a retired judge doing all he can to protect his son. The family and their “friends” are working overtime to avoid Zimmerman going to prison.

I used to live in Florida and I still go there often. As ocrenter said, in the South, racism is part of the culture. Full integration in law was not fully achieved until the late 60s/1970, not that long ago. Things will not really change until those who are born before 1970 pass away. It will take several more generations.

I know a White English Canadian family who own a vacation home in Florida. They are nice people. The old man is an engineer and his wife is a teacher.

Of their kids, one daughter married an Indian professional. One son married a Laotian woman. But they are not happy with this and keep on telling their kids they should’ve married their own kinds. They would say things like “it’s so nice back in Canada, there are no Blacks there, we are among our own people.”

[zk]

[quote=svelte]This is not a clear cut case.

Rodney King, with the beating caught on tape, that was clear cut.

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I wouldn’t call the Rodney King case clear cut at all. The beating was caught on tape, but not what led up to it. King throwing two officers at a time off his back and charging them. A strong, enraged, violent man on the attack. That wasn’t shown on the tape.

[svelte]

[quote=zk][quote=svelte]This is not a clear cut case.

Rodney King, with the beating caught on tape, that was clear cut.

[/quote]

I wouldn’t call the Rodney King case clear cut at all. The beating was caught on tape, but not what led up to it. King throwing two officers at a time off his back and charging them. A strong, enraged, violent man on the attack. That wasn’t shown on the tape.[/quote]

…but once a person is in submission, the beating should not continue. Secure him and haul him in. End of story.

[Coronita]

[quote=briansd1]The rules of neighborhood watch don’t allow following suspects and patroling with guns. You watch and report supicious activities to police.

Zimmerman was a cop wannabe and a vigilante.

Zimmerman claims a broken nose and injuries from the attack. But then he goes into hiding so that his injuries miraculously heal before the reappers in public.

To me this reeks of a retired judge doing all he can to protect his son. The family and their “friends” are working overtime to avoid Zimmerman going to prison.

I used to live in Florida and I still go there often. As ocrenter said, in the South, racism is part of the culture. Full integration in law was not fully achieved until the late 60s/1970, not that long ago. Things will not really change until those who are born before 1970 pass away. It will take several more generations.

I know a White English Canadian family who own a vacation home in Florida. They are nice people. The old man is an engineer and his wife is a teacher.

Of their kids, one daughter married an Indian professional. One son married a Laotian woman. But they are not happy with this and keep on telling their kids they should’ve married their own kinds. They would say things like “it’s so nice back in Canada, there are no Blacks there, we are among our own people.”[/quote]

Except you have one problem that kinda contradicts what you would like to pigeonhole this case into (white versus black thing)… I mean, is the dude really white? Does it really matter?

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]
Except you have one big problem in this case. Is Zimmerman really white? I mean, I guess Brian it would be convenient if he was, for your argument sake… But is he? Does it really matter?[/quote]

Zimmerman is White. If you know Hispanic culture, you would understand. There are difference shades of Hispanics and a long history too.

What bothers me with this case is that the Police Chief and the State Attorney overruled the investigator on the scene.

The homeowners’ association will end up paying for this killing because they implemented a half-ass neighborhood watch.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2017878044_martin31.html

[briansd1]

[quote=svelte]
…but once a person is in submission, the beating should not continue. Secure him and haul him in. End of story.[/quote]

Yes. There is no justification for the police to act like savages.

After all, as ca renter likes to say, aren’t the police highly qualified “professionals” who have extensive training in law enforcement?

Technology can be an invasion of privacy… but Technology such as video surveillance is making things more transparent.

Without the camera, the killers in this case might have gotten off:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/09/mississippi-teen-deryl-dedmon-hate-crime-video_n_922357.html

[paramount]

[quote=briansd1]

Without the camera, the killers in this case might have gotten off:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/09/mississippi-teen-deryl-dedmon-hate-crime-video_n_922357.html%5B/quote%5D

I had never heard of that case; absolutely shocking if true.

If convicted the main perps in that case should get the death penalty within 5 years, and the remaining perps should get life w/out parole, with 10 years in solitary to start off. Then hard labor for the rest of their life.

[svelte]

[quote=briansd1]

Zimmerman is White. If you know Hispanic culture, you would understand. There are difference shades of Hispanics and a long history too.
[/quote]

If Zimmerman is White, then so is Obama.

[ocrenter]

[quote=svelte]This is not a clear cut case.

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So if this was not a clear cut case, why did the police act like it was.

In the eyes of the police, we had a black teenager in a gated community. That’s already “wrong type of guy in the wrong type of place.”

Zimmerman was the “guy protecting his home” against a “wrong type of guy in the wrong type of place.”

Therefore, Martin getting shot seemed very clear cut to the police.

For a Southern white policeman, Martin deserved to get shot, that was extremely clear. thus Zimmerman was released and not charged. Why would he be charged???

[zk]

[quote=svelte]
…but once a person is in submission, the beating should not continue. Secure him and haul him in. End of story.[/quote]

[quote=briansd1]

Yes. There is no justification for the police to act like savages.

After all, as ca renter likes to say, aren’t the police highly qualified “professionals” who have extensive training in law enforcement?

Technology can be an invasion of privacy… but Technology such as video surveillance is making things more transparent.

Without the camera, the killers in this case might have gotten off:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/09/mississippi-teen-deryl-dedmon-hate-crime-video_n_922357.html%5B/quote%5D

Are you sure he was “in submission?” Easy to say, as he didn’t get up again once the video started (the part they showed over and over again on tv, anyway). But he had gotten up at least once after he appeared to be secured. Would you be willing to bet your life (and that of the father of your children’s) that he was “in submission?” I wouldn’t. My point isn’t that the cops weren’t without fault. My point is that it isn’t a clear cut case and that the parts of the video most often shown leave out crucial evidence, and that events occurred before the video that we can’t be sure of.

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