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sd_matt:

On John Hagee – the homosexual quote is just the tip of the iceberg – he’s the classic uber-Southern Baptist and has been full of misogynist and anti-Catholic quotes (probably anti-Mormon and other fringe Christian groups as well).

Here’s his description of Catholicism (and note, it’s NOT an off the cuff remark – it was printed in one of his books!)

“A Godless theology of hate that no one dared try to stop for a thousand years produced a harvest of hate.” (1987, “Should Christians Support Israel?”) In the past, he also referred to it as “The Great Whore” (something not unique to him – a lot of the more extreme pastors in the Southern Baptist church and other fundamentalist Christian sects consider it to be such).

He has recently attempted to a certain degree to recant his anti-Catholism, but frankly, coming on the heels of his endorsement of John McCain, it strikes me as very likely to be nothing but political damage control, about as believable as if Wright did the same thing.

He’s also been guilty of blaming the Jewish people themselves for the holocaust and other issues (sounds contradictory to his stance on Israel, but if you’re familiar with fundamentalist end-times stuff, it’s not – the right wing in many cases doesn’t appear to care one bit about the Jewish people – but they’re needed to be there in Israel for the end-times prophecies to be fulfilled).

“It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God’s chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day… Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of antisemitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come…. it rises from the judgment of God upon his rebellious chosen people” )(2006, “Jerusalem Countdown”)

There are others, but he’s quite clearly just as nuts as Wright is, just with a different theological bent. Hagee is an “end-timer”, and frankly, that’s a nuttier theological bent in my opinion than anything Wright believes in (though I know theres a fairly large chunk of US Christians who believe it as well).

[CardiffBaseball]

Hagee is quite far from “Southern Baptist”s as he is from the Prosperity/Word of Faith movement. You’ll note that most of the guys with a TV following come from this movement. In general if the guy has a wide following on TBN it’s ok to be a little suspicious.

So to that extent while I view both as being not being doctrinally sound, I’d say Wright is probably less nutty. I really don’t care for these positive confession preacher types. Hell you can just go buy “The Secret” if that’s what you are into, you don’t need a pastor preaching it. or else Tony Robbins, Brian Tracy etc.

[CardiffBaseball]

Hagee is quite far from “Southern Baptist”s as he is from the Prosperity/Word of Faith movement. You’ll note that most of the guys with a TV following come from this movement. In general if the guy has a wide following on TBN it’s ok to be a little suspicious.

So to that extent while I view both as being not being doctrinally sound, I’d say Wright is probably less nutty. I really don’t care for these positive confession preacher types. Hell you can just go buy “The Secret” if that’s what you are into, you don’t need a pastor preaching it. or else Tony Robbins, Brian Tracy etc.

[CardiffBaseball]

Hagee is quite far from “Southern Baptist”s as he is from the Prosperity/Word of Faith movement. You’ll note that most of the guys with a TV following come from this movement. In general if the guy has a wide following on TBN it’s ok to be a little suspicious.

So to that extent while I view both as being not being doctrinally sound, I’d say Wright is probably less nutty. I really don’t care for these positive confession preacher types. Hell you can just go buy “The Secret” if that’s what you are into, you don’t need a pastor preaching it. or else Tony Robbins, Brian Tracy etc.

[CardiffBaseball]

Hagee is quite far from “Southern Baptist”s as he is from the Prosperity/Word of Faith movement. You’ll note that most of the guys with a TV following come from this movement. In general if the guy has a wide following on TBN it’s ok to be a little suspicious.

So to that extent while I view both as being not being doctrinally sound, I’d say Wright is probably less nutty. I really don’t care for these positive confession preacher types. Hell you can just go buy “The Secret” if that’s what you are into, you don’t need a pastor preaching it. or else Tony Robbins, Brian Tracy etc.

[CardiffBaseball]

Hagee is quite far from “Southern Baptist”s as he is from the Prosperity/Word of Faith movement. You’ll note that most of the guys with a TV following come from this movement. In general if the guy has a wide following on TBN it’s ok to be a little suspicious.

So to that extent while I view both as being not being doctrinally sound, I’d say Wright is probably less nutty. I really don’t care for these positive confession preacher types. Hell you can just go buy “The Secret” if that’s what you are into, you don’t need a pastor preaching it. or else Tony Robbins, Brian Tracy etc.

[SDEngineer]

My bad, you’re correct, I was under the mistaken impression he was a Southern Baptist. But, as you pointed out, the Word of Faith nondenoms are pretty extreme. It’s instructive to read the titles of some of his books (note, this is a deliberate list only of the more tinfoil hat books he’s written – he has some typical preacher touchy-feely books in there as well):

“The Invasion of Demons” (1973)
“Like a cleansing fire” (1974)
“The Beginning of the End” (1996) – at this point, Hagee began churning out End-Times prediction books at the rate of more than one per year.
“Day of Deception” (1997)
“Final Dawn Over Jerusalem” (1998)
“From Daniel to Doomsday: The Countdown has Begun” (1999)
“God’s Two-Minute Warning” (in 2000, of course)
“Attack On America New York, Jerusalem, and The Role of Terrorism in the Last Days” (2001) – after this book, looks like he decided God was going to wait a little longer to start Armageddon, though he clearly still believes it’s “soon”.
“Jerusalem Countdown” (2005)

[SDEngineer]

My bad, you’re correct, I was under the mistaken impression he was a Southern Baptist. But, as you pointed out, the Word of Faith nondenoms are pretty extreme. It’s instructive to read the titles of some of his books (note, this is a deliberate list only of the more tinfoil hat books he’s written – he has some typical preacher touchy-feely books in there as well):

“The Invasion of Demons” (1973)
“Like a cleansing fire” (1974)
“The Beginning of the End” (1996) – at this point, Hagee began churning out End-Times prediction books at the rate of more than one per year.
“Day of Deception” (1997)
“Final Dawn Over Jerusalem” (1998)
“From Daniel to Doomsday: The Countdown has Begun” (1999)
“God’s Two-Minute Warning” (in 2000, of course)
“Attack On America New York, Jerusalem, and The Role of Terrorism in the Last Days” (2001) – after this book, looks like he decided God was going to wait a little longer to start Armageddon, though he clearly still believes it’s “soon”.
“Jerusalem Countdown” (2005)

[SDEngineer]

My bad, you’re correct, I was under the mistaken impression he was a Southern Baptist. But, as you pointed out, the Word of Faith nondenoms are pretty extreme. It’s instructive to read the titles of some of his books (note, this is a deliberate list only of the more tinfoil hat books he’s written – he has some typical preacher touchy-feely books in there as well):

“The Invasion of Demons” (1973)
“Like a cleansing fire” (1974)
“The Beginning of the End” (1996) – at this point, Hagee began churning out End-Times prediction books at the rate of more than one per year.
“Day of Deception” (1997)
“Final Dawn Over Jerusalem” (1998)
“From Daniel to Doomsday: The Countdown has Begun” (1999)
“God’s Two-Minute Warning” (in 2000, of course)
“Attack On America New York, Jerusalem, and The Role of Terrorism in the Last Days” (2001) – after this book, looks like he decided God was going to wait a little longer to start Armageddon, though he clearly still believes it’s “soon”.
“Jerusalem Countdown” (2005)

[SDEngineer]

My bad, you’re correct, I was under the mistaken impression he was a Southern Baptist. But, as you pointed out, the Word of Faith nondenoms are pretty extreme. It’s instructive to read the titles of some of his books (note, this is a deliberate list only of the more tinfoil hat books he’s written – he has some typical preacher touchy-feely books in there as well):

“The Invasion of Demons” (1973)
“Like a cleansing fire” (1974)
“The Beginning of the End” (1996) – at this point, Hagee began churning out End-Times prediction books at the rate of more than one per year.
“Day of Deception” (1997)
“Final Dawn Over Jerusalem” (1998)
“From Daniel to Doomsday: The Countdown has Begun” (1999)
“God’s Two-Minute Warning” (in 2000, of course)
“Attack On America New York, Jerusalem, and The Role of Terrorism in the Last Days” (2001) – after this book, looks like he decided God was going to wait a little longer to start Armageddon, though he clearly still believes it’s “soon”.
“Jerusalem Countdown” (2005)

[SDEngineer]

My bad, you’re correct, I was under the mistaken impression he was a Southern Baptist. But, as you pointed out, the Word of Faith nondenoms are pretty extreme. It’s instructive to read the titles of some of his books (note, this is a deliberate list only of the more tinfoil hat books he’s written – he has some typical preacher touchy-feely books in there as well):

“The Invasion of Demons” (1973)
“Like a cleansing fire” (1974)
“The Beginning of the End” (1996) – at this point, Hagee began churning out End-Times prediction books at the rate of more than one per year.
“Day of Deception” (1997)
“Final Dawn Over Jerusalem” (1998)
“From Daniel to Doomsday: The Countdown has Begun” (1999)
“God’s Two-Minute Warning” (in 2000, of course)
“Attack On America New York, Jerusalem, and The Role of Terrorism in the Last Days” (2001) – after this book, looks like he decided God was going to wait a little longer to start Armageddon, though he clearly still believes it’s “soon”.
“Jerusalem Countdown” (2005)

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sd_matt: I don’t think Obama/McCain contest will even be close. Obama wins handily. And no, white conservative base will not turn out for McCain. They will sit on their hands like they did in last election, handing Congress to the Democrats. Democrats will take more seats in Congress, get a veto-proof majority (with help of some RINOs) in Senate.

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sd_matt: I don’t think Obama/McCain contest will even be close. Obama wins handily. And no, white conservative base will not turn out for McCain. They will sit on their hands like they did in last election, handing Congress to the Democrats. Democrats will take more seats in Congress, get a veto-proof majority (with help of some RINOs) in Senate.

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sd_matt: I don’t think Obama/McCain contest will even be close. Obama wins handily. And no, white conservative base will not turn out for McCain. They will sit on their hands like they did in last election, handing Congress to the Democrats. Democrats will take more seats in Congress, get a veto-proof majority (with help of some RINOs) in Senate.

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sd_matt: I don’t think Obama/McCain contest will even be close. Obama wins handily. And no, white conservative base will not turn out for McCain. They will sit on their hands like they did in last election, handing Congress to the Democrats. Democrats will take more seats in Congress, get a veto-proof majority (with help of some RINOs) in Senate.

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