OT – Whitman Hired Illegal Worker

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Nothing personal, but I could care less whether you own an SUV or not.[/quote]

Allan, I think you mean “I couldn’t care less”, not “I could care less”. I would try to explain this more myself, but this funny man with an australian accent does a much better job: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/video/2010/may/20/language-usa

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[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] you continue to hold those you disagree with politically to a higher standard than those you hold common cause with. [/quote]

Yes, I do. And for the simple reason those I disagree with have themselves set their own standards.

For example, I understand that people have personal issues or weaknesses that they need to deal with. Progressives generally believe that we need to be accommodating and understanding of people’s circumstances.

Conservatives (such as Christine O’Donnell) are black-and-white, morally rigid. They believe that masturbation and pornography are sins. Financial mismanagement should be punished. They should be held to their own standards.

I have no problem with a liberal who masturbates. But I can’t forgive a conservative who does the same.[/quote]

Brian: Two things. First, make sure, when you use the term “conservative”, that it actually applies to someone who is conservative. I don’t confuse “liberals” with “Leftists”, as the two are very different. O’Donnell is NOT a conservative. O’Donnell is a lunatic moron.

Second, stop talking around things by using the same rigidity you accuse others of. You act as though all “progressives” (and I put that in quotes because I honestly believe you have no idea what a “progressive” truly is, nor do I think you have a full grasp of the history behind the Progressive Movement) are open, honest and forthright, while everyone on the right is nothing other than a homophobic, illiterate, misogynistic bible thumper.

Pelosi IS a hypocrite. She’s self-serving and a liar, as well as cunning, vindictive and power hungry. In other words, she’s a politician. Regardless of party, ideology or background, all politicians are the same, to lesser or greater degrees. You won’t admit that, however, choosing to believe that your side is “right” and the other side is “wrong”. Always. So how does that create a climate for change, and debate and discourse? That’s actually a rhetorical question, so you need not answer.

Little piece of historical trivia for you. Did you know that German soldiers in WWI marched into battle wearing belt buckles that said “Gott mit uns” (“God is with us”). Yup. Something to think about as you bask in your moral rectitude.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] you continue to hold those you disagree with politically to a higher standard than those you hold common cause with. [/quote]

Yes, I do. And for the simple reason those I disagree with have themselves set their own standards.

For example, I understand that people have personal issues or weaknesses that they need to deal with. Progressives generally believe that we need to be accommodating and understanding of people’s circumstances.

Conservatives (such as Christine O’Donnell) are black-and-white, morally rigid. They believe that masturbation and pornography are sins. Financial mismanagement should be punished. They should be held to their own standards.

I have no problem with a liberal who masturbates. But I can’t forgive a conservative who does the same.[/quote]

Brian: Two things. First, make sure, when you use the term “conservative”, that it actually applies to someone who is conservative. I don’t confuse “liberals” with “Leftists”, as the two are very different. O’Donnell is NOT a conservative. O’Donnell is a lunatic moron.

Second, stop talking around things by using the same rigidity you accuse others of. You act as though all “progressives” (and I put that in quotes because I honestly believe you have no idea what a “progressive” truly is, nor do I think you have a full grasp of the history behind the Progressive Movement) are open, honest and forthright, while everyone on the right is nothing other than a homophobic, illiterate, misogynistic bible thumper.

Pelosi IS a hypocrite. She’s self-serving and a liar, as well as cunning, vindictive and power hungry. In other words, she’s a politician. Regardless of party, ideology or background, all politicians are the same, to lesser or greater degrees. You won’t admit that, however, choosing to believe that your side is “right” and the other side is “wrong”. Always. So how does that create a climate for change, and debate and discourse? That’s actually a rhetorical question, so you need not answer.

Little piece of historical trivia for you. Did you know that German soldiers in WWI marched into battle wearing belt buckles that said “Gott mit uns” (“God is with us”). Yup. Something to think about as you bask in your moral rectitude.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] you continue to hold those you disagree with politically to a higher standard than those you hold common cause with. [/quote]

Yes, I do. And for the simple reason those I disagree with have themselves set their own standards.

For example, I understand that people have personal issues or weaknesses that they need to deal with. Progressives generally believe that we need to be accommodating and understanding of people’s circumstances.

Conservatives (such as Christine O’Donnell) are black-and-white, morally rigid. They believe that masturbation and pornography are sins. Financial mismanagement should be punished. They should be held to their own standards.

I have no problem with a liberal who masturbates. But I can’t forgive a conservative who does the same.[/quote]

Brian: Two things. First, make sure, when you use the term “conservative”, that it actually applies to someone who is conservative. I don’t confuse “liberals” with “Leftists”, as the two are very different. O’Donnell is NOT a conservative. O’Donnell is a lunatic moron.

Second, stop talking around things by using the same rigidity you accuse others of. You act as though all “progressives” (and I put that in quotes because I honestly believe you have no idea what a “progressive” truly is, nor do I think you have a full grasp of the history behind the Progressive Movement) are open, honest and forthright, while everyone on the right is nothing other than a homophobic, illiterate, misogynistic bible thumper.

Pelosi IS a hypocrite. She’s self-serving and a liar, as well as cunning, vindictive and power hungry. In other words, she’s a politician. Regardless of party, ideology or background, all politicians are the same, to lesser or greater degrees. You won’t admit that, however, choosing to believe that your side is “right” and the other side is “wrong”. Always. So how does that create a climate for change, and debate and discourse? That’s actually a rhetorical question, so you need not answer.

Little piece of historical trivia for you. Did you know that German soldiers in WWI marched into battle wearing belt buckles that said “Gott mit uns” (“God is with us”). Yup. Something to think about as you bask in your moral rectitude.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] you continue to hold those you disagree with politically to a higher standard than those you hold common cause with. [/quote]

Yes, I do. And for the simple reason those I disagree with have themselves set their own standards.

For example, I understand that people have personal issues or weaknesses that they need to deal with. Progressives generally believe that we need to be accommodating and understanding of people’s circumstances.

Conservatives (such as Christine O’Donnell) are black-and-white, morally rigid. They believe that masturbation and pornography are sins. Financial mismanagement should be punished. They should be held to their own standards.

I have no problem with a liberal who masturbates. But I can’t forgive a conservative who does the same.[/quote]

Brian: Two things. First, make sure, when you use the term “conservative”, that it actually applies to someone who is conservative. I don’t confuse “liberals” with “Leftists”, as the two are very different. O’Donnell is NOT a conservative. O’Donnell is a lunatic moron.

Second, stop talking around things by using the same rigidity you accuse others of. You act as though all “progressives” (and I put that in quotes because I honestly believe you have no idea what a “progressive” truly is, nor do I think you have a full grasp of the history behind the Progressive Movement) are open, honest and forthright, while everyone on the right is nothing other than a homophobic, illiterate, misogynistic bible thumper.

Pelosi IS a hypocrite. She’s self-serving and a liar, as well as cunning, vindictive and power hungry. In other words, she’s a politician. Regardless of party, ideology or background, all politicians are the same, to lesser or greater degrees. You won’t admit that, however, choosing to believe that your side is “right” and the other side is “wrong”. Always. So how does that create a climate for change, and debate and discourse? That’s actually a rhetorical question, so you need not answer.

Little piece of historical trivia for you. Did you know that German soldiers in WWI marched into battle wearing belt buckles that said “Gott mit uns” (“God is with us”). Yup. Something to think about as you bask in your moral rectitude.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] you continue to hold those you disagree with politically to a higher standard than those you hold common cause with. [/quote]

Yes, I do. And for the simple reason those I disagree with have themselves set their own standards.

For example, I understand that people have personal issues or weaknesses that they need to deal with. Progressives generally believe that we need to be accommodating and understanding of people’s circumstances.

Conservatives (such as Christine O’Donnell) are black-and-white, morally rigid. They believe that masturbation and pornography are sins. Financial mismanagement should be punished. They should be held to their own standards.

I have no problem with a liberal who masturbates. But I can’t forgive a conservative who does the same.[/quote]

Brian: Two things. First, make sure, when you use the term “conservative”, that it actually applies to someone who is conservative. I don’t confuse “liberals” with “Leftists”, as the two are very different. O’Donnell is NOT a conservative. O’Donnell is a lunatic moron.

Second, stop talking around things by using the same rigidity you accuse others of. You act as though all “progressives” (and I put that in quotes because I honestly believe you have no idea what a “progressive” truly is, nor do I think you have a full grasp of the history behind the Progressive Movement) are open, honest and forthright, while everyone on the right is nothing other than a homophobic, illiterate, misogynistic bible thumper.

Pelosi IS a hypocrite. She’s self-serving and a liar, as well as cunning, vindictive and power hungry. In other words, she’s a politician. Regardless of party, ideology or background, all politicians are the same, to lesser or greater degrees. You won’t admit that, however, choosing to believe that your side is “right” and the other side is “wrong”. Always. So how does that create a climate for change, and debate and discourse? That’s actually a rhetorical question, so you need not answer.

Little piece of historical trivia for you. Did you know that German soldiers in WWI marched into battle wearing belt buckles that said “Gott mit uns” (“God is with us”). Yup. Something to think about as you bask in your moral rectitude.

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[quote=briansd1] I have no problem with a liberal who masturbates. But I can’t forgive a conservative who does the same.[/quote]

You don’t want to let conservatives masturbate? And you call yourself a liberal, brian. For shame.

Seriously, I don’t have a problem with anyone of any political persuasion doing anything. What I DO take issue with is someone who tells the population at large that they can’t or shouldn’t do something, usually pairing it with some nonexistent endorsement by God, and then finding out that the sumbitch is doing it, likes doing it, is going to keep on doing it, is planning on leaving his spouse so that he can do it, blah, blah, blah….

THAT pisses me off.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=briansd1] I have no problem with a liberal who masturbates. But I can’t forgive a conservative who does the same.[/quote]

You don’t want to let conservatives masturbate? And you call yourself a liberal, brian. For shame.

Seriously, I don’t have a problem with anyone of any political persuasion doing anything. What I DO take issue with is someone who tells the population at large that they can’t or shouldn’t do something, usually pairing it with some nonexistent endorsement by God, and then finding out that the sumbitch is doing it, likes doing it, is going to keep on doing it, is planning on leaving his spouse so that he can do it, blah, blah, blah….

THAT pisses me off.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=briansd1] I have no problem with a liberal who masturbates. But I can’t forgive a conservative who does the same.[/quote]

You don’t want to let conservatives masturbate? And you call yourself a liberal, brian. For shame.

Seriously, I don’t have a problem with anyone of any political persuasion doing anything. What I DO take issue with is someone who tells the population at large that they can’t or shouldn’t do something, usually pairing it with some nonexistent endorsement by God, and then finding out that the sumbitch is doing it, likes doing it, is going to keep on doing it, is planning on leaving his spouse so that he can do it, blah, blah, blah….

THAT pisses me off.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=briansd1] I have no problem with a liberal who masturbates. But I can’t forgive a conservative who does the same.[/quote]

You don’t want to let conservatives masturbate? And you call yourself a liberal, brian. For shame.

Seriously, I don’t have a problem with anyone of any political persuasion doing anything. What I DO take issue with is someone who tells the population at large that they can’t or shouldn’t do something, usually pairing it with some nonexistent endorsement by God, and then finding out that the sumbitch is doing it, likes doing it, is going to keep on doing it, is planning on leaving his spouse so that he can do it, blah, blah, blah….

THAT pisses me off.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=briansd1] I have no problem with a liberal who masturbates. But I can’t forgive a conservative who does the same.[/quote]

You don’t want to let conservatives masturbate? And you call yourself a liberal, brian. For shame.

Seriously, I don’t have a problem with anyone of any political persuasion doing anything. What I DO take issue with is someone who tells the population at large that they can’t or shouldn’t do something, usually pairing it with some nonexistent endorsement by God, and then finding out that the sumbitch is doing it, likes doing it, is going to keep on doing it, is planning on leaving his spouse so that he can do it, blah, blah, blah….

THAT pisses me off.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] O’Donnell is a lunatic moron. [/quote]

There you go again, automatically jumping to conclusions. Do you have any facts to back up your statement? Just because she’s pretty doesn’t mean she’s not smart. Sarah Palin could tell you that.

Alan, you have to be more careful about saying these things. You’re not going to have anyone to defend you when you go before the death panels one day.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] O’Donnell is a lunatic moron. [/quote]

There you go again, automatically jumping to conclusions. Do you have any facts to back up your statement? Just because she’s pretty doesn’t mean she’s not smart. Sarah Palin could tell you that.

Alan, you have to be more careful about saying these things. You’re not going to have anyone to defend you when you go before the death panels one day.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] O’Donnell is a lunatic moron. [/quote]

There you go again, automatically jumping to conclusions. Do you have any facts to back up your statement? Just because she’s pretty doesn’t mean she’s not smart. Sarah Palin could tell you that.

Alan, you have to be more careful about saying these things. You’re not going to have anyone to defend you when you go before the death panels one day.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] O’Donnell is a lunatic moron. [/quote]

There you go again, automatically jumping to conclusions. Do you have any facts to back up your statement? Just because she’s pretty doesn’t mean she’s not smart. Sarah Palin could tell you that.

Alan, you have to be more careful about saying these things. You’re not going to have anyone to defend you when you go before the death panels one day.

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