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April 25, 2015 at 6:43 AM #785298April 25, 2015 at 9:25 AM #785303
FlyerInHi
Guest[quote=CA renter] And many of those criminals who jet jail time for drugs are really there for bigger crimes, but the cops might not have been able to get them on those crimes because of technicalities, lack of evidence, luck, etc., so they take what they can get.
[/quote]Err, no. Quite the contrary. Many dealers just deal for income and spending money. There are good at what they do (well qualified for the job) so we should let them work. Supply and demand.
Trying to stop drugs is just the government/soccer moms misunderstanding the market place.[quote=CA renter]
As for the story about your wife’s carjacker,
[/quote]Sacaredy married a saint.
[quote=CA renter]
it’s more about making sure they are apprehended. Cops really don’t like to let criminals get away, and I applaud them for this, as do most law-abiding citizens. [/quote]Errr, no. Cops don’t care.
If you get burglarized and have a video. They cops don’t even bother to investigate.Cops have a billy badass mentality. They want the chase. 1/2 the cops are physically unfit for a chase anyway… but that’s another story.
Cops like to stop guys who hang out and say “yo boy, whachat doin’ here?” Makes them feel important. Of course, those dudes and the cops all have a thing about getting dissed, so escalation ensues.
April 25, 2015 at 9:31 AM #785305GuestWhen have to deal with someone who looks like a bitch/dick, maybe I need to be a preemptive asshole. That might lead to better relations.
April 25, 2015 at 9:31 AM #785304scaredyclassic
Participantyoung black dude and my wife are grappling and wrestling. Dude has a gun and is trying to grab her with the other hand.
DUDE: if you don’t get int he car I’m going to shoot you.
MY WIFE: Well, then, i guess you’re going to have to shoot me, cause im not getting in the car.
DUDE: Well….ummm…gimme your money.
MY WIFE: here’s ten dollars.
(dude runs off, never caught)…
not really a saint, just a badass…
April 25, 2015 at 12:51 PM #785311GuestFor a more philosophical view, doesn’t anyone think that the police have the duty to de-escalate and smooth out relations with the public?
For decades, we’re tried more and more punitive action that resulted in the highest incarceration rate in the developed world, and the militarization of the police.
The police has the education, the knowledge and the power to take the high road. Why adopt the tactics of criminals to deal with criminals?
Like that property manager; she’s the owner of an LLC; she proudly appends ABR, RRG, ABI to her name. Sure, I was disrespectful up her after she was short with me. But she’s the professional. It’s up to her to diffuse the situation and make things work. I’m just a common person who doesn’t know as much about real estate. I’m allowed to be less professional.
April 25, 2015 at 1:59 PM #785313NotCranky
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]When have to deal with someone who looks like a bitch/dick, maybe I need to be a preemptive asshole. That might lead to better relations.[/quote]
My perceptions is that you don’t seem to be holding back as much as you think you are.April 25, 2015 at 3:24 PM #785317GuestI’m not preemptive. But then I don’t take the high road once incited.
But then I don’t pretend to be a professional at the top my game.I know I’m an ass because I enjoy making “powerful” people squirm. That realtor could have apologized to me and we’d be done because I’m remodeling anyway. But she wanted to use the big gun. As you know, once you get the mold remediation and flood management companies out, the bill gets run up, tenants have to vacate, etc..
The point is that shooting the big gun and wanting to annihilate your opponent doesn’t always work. Do so carefully, only if you’re sure of winning.
So far the big guns tactics of the police, or doubling down, are only causing high incarceration rates, ruined lives, high budgets, fear among the public, not to overlook millions of dollars in settlement to victims.
April 28, 2015 at 1:58 AM #785403CA renter
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=CA renter] And many of those criminals who jet jail time for drugs are really there for bigger crimes, but the cops might not have been able to get them on those crimes because of technicalities, lack of evidence, luck, etc., so they take what they can get.
[/quote]Err, no. Quite the contrary. Many dealers just deal for income and spending money. There are good at what they do (well qualified for the job) so we should let them work. Supply and demand.
Trying to stop drugs is just the government/soccer moms misunderstanding the market place.[quote=CA renter]
As for the story about your wife’s carjacker,
[/quote]Sacaredy married a saint.
[quote=CA renter]
it’s more about making sure they are apprehended. Cops really don’t like to let criminals get away, and I applaud them for this, as do most law-abiding citizens. [/quote]Errr, no. Cops don’t care.
If you get burglarized and have a video. They cops don’t even bother to investigate.Cops have a billy badass mentality. They want the chase. 1/2 the cops are physically unfit for a chase anyway… but that’s another story.
Cops like to stop guys who hang out and say “yo boy, whachat doin’ here?” Makes them feel important. Of course, those dudes and the cops all have a thing about getting dissed, so escalation ensues.[/quote]
You’re wrong on the first item, Brian. Many cops know that certain criminals are guilty of certain crimes. Cops often know, on a very intimate level, the truly bad guys/gals in the neighborhoods. They often know the parents, grandparents, siblings, romantic partners, friends, enemies, etc. and might have talked to all of them over the years, often in great detail. But knowing that someone is guilty of committing a crime and being able to produce evidence that could convict them are two separate things.
Cops most definitely use drug charges to nab criminals who are guilty of other crimes.
As for the decriminalization of drugs, though, I’m all for it. Cops have more important things to do.
Also agree that cops need to focus more on solving the crimes that should be solved…like flu’s case where the criminal was recorded and they had some kind of identifying information on him. That’s happened to me, too. I knew exactly who had committed a crime in my case (stolen credit card number), but the cops didn’t do a thing; they couldn’t have seemed less interested.
Yes, some cops have a bad-ass mentality, and that can cause problems. But it’s also what keeps many of them alive. Yes, they should try to de-escalate whenever possible, but you have to understand that’s not always possible. You really need to have some experience with truly violent thugs before you can comment on this, Brian. You sound like someone who has never been the victim of a violent crime (talking about being a random victim of a violent criminal, not a fight with friends or acquaintances, or people you’ve pissed off, etc.).
This is what they have to deal with, sometimes on a regular basis. What would you do?
It’s like when people complain that a thug who was beaten or killed while resisting arrest or mouthing off to cops was “unarmed,” without acknowledging that a cop has absolutely NO WAY of knowing that someone is unarmed until they have been physically searched.
Easy to opine while siting in front of your computer screen. Very different to be out the on the streets with a target on your back…this is their real life.
April 28, 2015 at 2:01 AM #785404Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]maybe im not expressing myself well. i want police to fight crime.
EXAMPLE
true story; my brother was walking in NYC in the early 90s where we lived and was chased by 3 guys who he later found out were cops. they were yelling it to him but he thought he was gonna be mugged so he ran like hell. Im sure he looked superguilty at that time from running. they chased him and tackled him because he fit the description of a perp in the area. they roughed him up a little but not too bad. he was innocent, cops realized that after a couple hour investigation and detention.
that is OK in my book. they had a reasonable basis for the chase and stop and they didnt beat the living shit out of him, just tackled and subdued, probably a little rougher than necessary because my brothers not a big fighter. . they had a valid police purpose.
CONTRAST THAT TO;
cop pulls up on some kids on the corner. talks to them. they tell him to go fuck himself. cop pulls a gun and other squad cars pull upand search everyone.finds drug contraband on one of them, a weapon onanother arrests them all. a few lose their jobs from the detention. others have records that preclude financial aid due to federal laws. cop lies in police report about stop, claims search was “consensual.
NOT OK..
i would say the 2nd incident is normal. the first incident is our fantasy of police work and rare, but constitutionally valid. it was a reasonable search and seizure….
the 2nd grossly erodes the social contract.
you can stop people for “suspicious” activity, but you ahve to havefacts to support it. nowadays everyone is suspicious of everything, including a brown indian gramapa walking down the street. when we are too suspicious, and th e net is cast too wide, we are not safer. we are ensnared ina polic e state.[/quote]
I fully respect your perspective, scaredy, and appreciate the work that you do. We just come from two different sides of this issue. I will ALWAYS side with victims before criminals. Non-violent criminals whose crimes don’t affect other people are in another category for me, of course. But violent criminals? I have absolutely no mercy for them.
April 28, 2015 at 10:45 AM #785431no_such_reality
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]For a more philosophical view, doesn’t anyone think that the police have the duty to de-escalate and smooth out relations with the public?
[/quote]Yes! I do and that’s my primary complaint with current police polocies. The police have adopted the military’s escalation policies and the police are often the ones escalating situations instead of defusing.
April 28, 2015 at 1:59 PM #785443spdrun
ParticipantWe just come from two different sides of this issue. I will ALWAYS side with victims before criminals. Non-violent criminals whose crimes don’t affect other people are in another category for me, of course.
By siding with people who stop someone IN VIOLATION OF THE HIGHEST LAW OF THE LAND, then proceed to maim them severely, you’re siding with violent criminals of the worst kind. Talk about hypocrisy.
April 28, 2015 at 4:09 PM #785450Participant[quote=spdrun]
We just come from two different sides of this issue. I will ALWAYS side with victims before criminals. Non-violent criminals whose crimes don’t affect other people are in another category for me, of course.
By siding with people who stop someone IN VIOLATION OF THE HIGHEST LAW OF THE LAND, then proceed to maim them severely, you’re siding with violent criminals of the worst kind. Talk about hypocrisy.[/quote]
I’ve never claimed to side with bad cops, but I do side with cops who do the job of catching criminals and getting them off the street.
April 28, 2015 at 7:51 PM #785456Participantas we speak, baltimore burns to the ground. clearly the protestors are unfocussed, but they look a little like photos of the Intifada uprising.
people with nothing to lose can be a bit dangerous.
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