ot; trayvon martin

[outtamojo]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=outtamojo][quote=squat300]
“The message is that we can all go out and get guns and feel anybody that we feel is threatening us and lie about the fact,” said Jim Cervini,…”

That, in a nutshell, is what I personally fear the most about the Zimmerman shooting.
Being in law enforcement is tough enough with training so when ordinary citizens try to play cop bad things seem to happen.
Supposedly they are neighbors.[/quote]

“When seconds count, the police are only minutes away…”[/quote]

Yeah I get it – in hindsight and on my living room couch I question why the guy had to confront and apprehend when the kid lived down the street from him.

[FlyerInHi]

I agree with you Allan. But we have to be very careful. Human intel can be placed there to encourage a course of action.

We don’t want profiling to pervade our everyday life.

It might be more efficient to stop black drivers at road blocks at night. We may initially reduce crime, but we will create an apartheid system that creates even more crime.

Asian engineers are dominant in tech now. Can we assume Asians are smarter? And that other races are not as suitable for that industry? How would kids of other races feel if they hear everyday that Asians are better at math? I bet their choices will be different.

Profiling and intuition can save your ass in some cases. But it can bite you in the ass as well.

We want to create a culture of equality and that depends of the language we use. And if we keep on telling young black males that they are criminals we creating what we expect.

We know what the status quo is already. We need to try something different if we want progress.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Outtamojo: Totally agree with you. He did not. However, between the Cervini case and the Trayvon Martin case, I don’t see some sudden tsunami of these type shootings.

Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law has been thrown around quite a bit, but it was not a factor in the case. In the Cervini case, the shooter (per the law) should have given ground, but did not. The law is as imperfect as those people adjudicating it, but I shouldretain, within reason, the right to defend me and mine from harm.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

FIH: But we have made progress. Tremendous progress. The problem is someone like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson decrying the parlous state of race relations in this country, when the facts tell a far different story. They’re peddling a false narrative and manufactured outrage for self-aggrandizement and personal gain.

The George Zimmermans of the world aren’t the gravest threat to black youth. Other black youths are. Why isn’t Sharpton screaming about that? You know and I know.

Do I believe profiling is a panacea? Nope, it’s simply a tool, to be used with other tools.

Do I believe racism is dead in America? Nope. But I do honestly believe we are making progress every day.

And the Sharptons and Jesse Jackson’s deter and detract, not advance, that progress.

[Hobie]

[quote=FlyerInHi].. how about profiling based on other parts of “looks” such as beauty, weight, height, fashion, etc…?[/quote]

been on Match.com lately? 😉 guess that is the good kind of profiling 🙂

[Hobie]

You guys are all over this issue. In the correct sense. Where is the Black and Hispanic leadership trying to raise the bar in their communities. Need leaders to promote family, education, values, morals, etc. Without this, nothing changes.

[scaredyclassic]

http://mobile.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/07/racism_and_trayvon_martin_how_to_think_and_talk_constructively_after_the.html?original_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dhow%2Bto%2Btalk%2Babout%2Brace%2Bsaletan%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari

Sounds right…

[FlyerInHi]

Allan, I think there is plenty of blame to go around.

But where is the government in providing birth control and family planning? Do we want poor destitute people to have kids who will become criminals. How about looking at the source.

You said something about destroying the black family. How about teaching young black girls family planning skills and providing them the means (super cheap and easily within reach) to control their own bodies?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Allan, I think there is plenty of blame to go around.

But where is the government in providing birth control and family planning? Do we want poor destitute people to have kids who will become criminals. How about looking at the source.

You said something about destroying the black family. How about teaching young black girls family planning skills and providing them the means (super cheap and easily within reach) to control their own bodies?[/quote]

FIH: Hey, couldn’t agree more. But the government bears quite a bit of responsibility here. The deployment of race-positive social programs institutionalized the underclass and created a series of perverse incentives, not least of which was the common practice of having ever more children because the state essentially “paid” you to do so.

[ctr70]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324448104578618681599902640.html?mod=hp_opinion

Here is an opinion piece in the WSJ from Shelby Steele that really nails it all. He is a black scholar at Stanford and very articulate. Would love to see this guy debate Al Sharpton.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=ctr70]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324448104578618681599902640.html?mod=hp_opinion

Here is an opinion piece in the WSJ from Shelby Steele that really nails it all. He is a black scholar at Stanford and very articulate. Would love to see this guy debate Al Sharpton.[/quote]

That was an excellent opinion piece. Sadly, it will either be ignored by those who should read it most, or Mr. Steele will be derided as “not authentically black” or a sellout.

[CA renter]

Great article, ctr.

[outtamojo]

Are we sure we’re not encouraging more of this

http://fox2now.com/2013/07/21/one-dead-following-float-trip-fight/

http://fox2now.com/2013/07/22/wife-of-man-gunned-down-on-float-trip-speaks-out/

“…Authorities asked Crocker why he didn’t call police and let them handle it. A deputy quoted Crocker as saying if he did that, the people on the float trip would have left the area before authorities arrived. The cop asked isn’t that what you (Crocker) wanted, for them to leave. Crocker agreed that would have worked to (sic).”

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=ctr70]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324448104578618681599902640.html?mod=hp_opinion

Here is an opinion piece in the WSJ from Shelby Steele that really nails it all. He is a black scholar at Stanford and very articulate. Would love to see this guy debate Al Sharpton.[/quote]

That was an excellent opinion piece. Sadly, it will either be ignored by those who should read it most, or Mr. Steele will be derided as “not authentically black” or a sellout.[/quote]

Plus one for the article.

That is also true.

This “hard work” he talks about, in actually helping black youth.

What is it?

How much is personal responsibility and how much the governments?

And while the indictment if the leadership rings true…do we still beat any responsibility as a nation to help black youth?

Or are they on their own?

In 1993 my constit. Law final was on the issue of a hypothetical slavery reparations law.

I got a very high grade. 2d highest in lg class.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=squat300]
In 1993 my constit. Law final was on the issue of a hypothetical slavery reparations law.

I got a very high grade. 2d highest in lg class.[/quote]

Whoopie do, you said what the Prof wanted to hear.

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