OT: There are a lot of things that do NOT make sense.

[Enorah]

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3609804.html

Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health
Volume 36, Number 3, May/June 2004
Teenage Pregnancy and Associated Risk Behaviors Among Sexually Abused Adolescents
By Elizabeth M. Saewyc, Lara Leanne Magee and Sandra E. Pettingell

CONTEXT: Previous research suggests a link between adolescent pregnancy and sexual abuse history, but most studies have used clinical samples of females only and single measures of abuse.

METHODS: Associations between pregnancy involvement, risk behaviors and sexual abuse were examined in sexually experienced teenagers from the Minnesota Student Surveys of 1992 (N=29,187) and 1998 (N=25,002). Chi-square tests assessed differences in pregnancy involvement and related risk behaviors among four groups of adolescents, categorized by type of abuse experienced: none, incest only, nonfamilial only or both. Odds ratios for pregnancy involvement and risk behaviors, adjusted for grade level and race, were calculated for each gender by using logistic regression analysis.

RESULTS: Sexual abuse was reported by 6% of males and 27% of females in 1992, and by 9% and 22% in 1998. Reports of pregnancy involvement were significantly more common among abused adolescents (13-26% of females and 22-61% of males, depending on type of abuse) than among nonabused adolescents (8-10%). Abused adolescents were more likely than others to report risk behaviors, and teenagers reporting both abuse types had the highest odds of pregnancy involvement and risk behaviors. The differential in the odds of pregnancy involvement and most behaviors was larger between nonabused and abused males than between nonabused and abused females.

CONCLUSIONS: Teenage pregnancy risk is strongly linked to sexual abuse, especially for males and those who have experienced both incest and nonfamilial abuse. To further reduce the U.S. teenage pregnancy rate, the pregnancy prevention needs of these groups must be adequately addressed.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

But apparently the fact I have not chosen to procrate yet makes this all moot.

That was not what I intended by my post. WRT the poopy pants argument, I was simply reacting to the notion of … “So (insert daughters namer here), I have noticed that you seem troubled, is anything wrong?”

… totally elective surgery for the totally vain than address the point that some teenagers face death or atleast extream physical or emotional violence from the passage of prop 4.

As for vain elective surgeries that was just one example I could come up with. Please provide me a list of elective surgeries that minors should be able to receive without parental consent or notification in your ideal world.

There are plenty of teens who face violence in the household, regardless of Prop 4. Defeat of Prop 4 does not help them.

In fact by knowing that their abusive parents might be notified, that might be enough incentive to push these children to seek help.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

But apparently the fact I have not chosen to procrate yet makes this all moot.

That was not what I intended by my post. WRT the poopy pants argument, I was simply reacting to the notion of … “So (insert daughters namer here), I have noticed that you seem troubled, is anything wrong?”

… totally elective surgery for the totally vain than address the point that some teenagers face death or atleast extream physical or emotional violence from the passage of prop 4.

As for vain elective surgeries that was just one example I could come up with. Please provide me a list of elective surgeries that minors should be able to receive without parental consent or notification in your ideal world.

There are plenty of teens who face violence in the household, regardless of Prop 4. Defeat of Prop 4 does not help them.

In fact by knowing that their abusive parents might be notified, that might be enough incentive to push these children to seek help.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

But apparently the fact I have not chosen to procrate yet makes this all moot.

That was not what I intended by my post. WRT the poopy pants argument, I was simply reacting to the notion of … “So (insert daughters namer here), I have noticed that you seem troubled, is anything wrong?”

… totally elective surgery for the totally vain than address the point that some teenagers face death or atleast extream physical or emotional violence from the passage of prop 4.

As for vain elective surgeries that was just one example I could come up with. Please provide me a list of elective surgeries that minors should be able to receive without parental consent or notification in your ideal world.

There are plenty of teens who face violence in the household, regardless of Prop 4. Defeat of Prop 4 does not help them.

In fact by knowing that their abusive parents might be notified, that might be enough incentive to push these children to seek help.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

But apparently the fact I have not chosen to procrate yet makes this all moot.

That was not what I intended by my post. WRT the poopy pants argument, I was simply reacting to the notion of … “So (insert daughters namer here), I have noticed that you seem troubled, is anything wrong?”

… totally elective surgery for the totally vain than address the point that some teenagers face death or atleast extream physical or emotional violence from the passage of prop 4.

As for vain elective surgeries that was just one example I could come up with. Please provide me a list of elective surgeries that minors should be able to receive without parental consent or notification in your ideal world.

There are plenty of teens who face violence in the household, regardless of Prop 4. Defeat of Prop 4 does not help them.

In fact by knowing that their abusive parents might be notified, that might be enough incentive to push these children to seek help.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

But apparently the fact I have not chosen to procrate yet makes this all moot.

That was not what I intended by my post. WRT the poopy pants argument, I was simply reacting to the notion of … “So (insert daughters namer here), I have noticed that you seem troubled, is anything wrong?”

… totally elective surgery for the totally vain than address the point that some teenagers face death or atleast extream physical or emotional violence from the passage of prop 4.

As for vain elective surgeries that was just one example I could come up with. Please provide me a list of elective surgeries that minors should be able to receive without parental consent or notification in your ideal world.

There are plenty of teens who face violence in the household, regardless of Prop 4. Defeat of Prop 4 does not help them.

In fact by knowing that their abusive parents might be notified, that might be enough incentive to push these children to seek help.

[Enorah]

The unfortunate truth is that we do not have a system in place that can effectively handle the needs of abused children.

Also, let me repeat, children who are abused have trust issues, huge ones, meaning they do not seek help because they do not trust adults

and I’ll make sure to mention that the next time I talk with someone who was abused as a child, mention that they should have sought help for themselves. We will see how well that goes over.

[Enorah]

The unfortunate truth is that we do not have a system in place that can effectively handle the needs of abused children.

Also, let me repeat, children who are abused have trust issues, huge ones, meaning they do not seek help because they do not trust adults

and I’ll make sure to mention that the next time I talk with someone who was abused as a child, mention that they should have sought help for themselves. We will see how well that goes over.

[Enorah]

The unfortunate truth is that we do not have a system in place that can effectively handle the needs of abused children.

Also, let me repeat, children who are abused have trust issues, huge ones, meaning they do not seek help because they do not trust adults

and I’ll make sure to mention that the next time I talk with someone who was abused as a child, mention that they should have sought help for themselves. We will see how well that goes over.

[Enorah]

The unfortunate truth is that we do not have a system in place that can effectively handle the needs of abused children.

Also, let me repeat, children who are abused have trust issues, huge ones, meaning they do not seek help because they do not trust adults

and I’ll make sure to mention that the next time I talk with someone who was abused as a child, mention that they should have sought help for themselves. We will see how well that goes over.

[Enorah]

The unfortunate truth is that we do not have a system in place that can effectively handle the needs of abused children.

Also, let me repeat, children who are abused have trust issues, huge ones, meaning they do not seek help because they do not trust adults

and I’ll make sure to mention that the next time I talk with someone who was abused as a child, mention that they should have sought help for themselves. We will see how well that goes over.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

Enorah. I agree with you 100% that we do not have a system in place to handle the needs of abused children. Nobody can deny that child abuse and neglect is a horrific problem in our society. That is exactly why it was used as a red herring to get people to defeat prop 4.

But, what makes you think that lack of parental notification improves the lives of those who are abused ?

I contend that defeat of prop 4 does nothing to protect our youth from abuse. I also contend that passage of prop 4 also would do nothing to protect our youth from abuse.

Parental notification will not turn a non-abusive household into an abusive one.

Abusive and violent people DO NOT NEED AN EXCUSE to be violent or abusive. An abusive person abuses their victim regardless.

Presuming that parental notification gives abusers an excuse to abuse their child is naive.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

Enorah. I agree with you 100% that we do not have a system in place to handle the needs of abused children. Nobody can deny that child abuse and neglect is a horrific problem in our society. That is exactly why it was used as a red herring to get people to defeat prop 4.

But, what makes you think that lack of parental notification improves the lives of those who are abused ?

I contend that defeat of prop 4 does nothing to protect our youth from abuse. I also contend that passage of prop 4 also would do nothing to protect our youth from abuse.

Parental notification will not turn a non-abusive household into an abusive one.

Abusive and violent people DO NOT NEED AN EXCUSE to be violent or abusive. An abusive person abuses their victim regardless.

Presuming that parental notification gives abusers an excuse to abuse their child is naive.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

Enorah. I agree with you 100% that we do not have a system in place to handle the needs of abused children. Nobody can deny that child abuse and neglect is a horrific problem in our society. That is exactly why it was used as a red herring to get people to defeat prop 4.

But, what makes you think that lack of parental notification improves the lives of those who are abused ?

I contend that defeat of prop 4 does nothing to protect our youth from abuse. I also contend that passage of prop 4 also would do nothing to protect our youth from abuse.

Parental notification will not turn a non-abusive household into an abusive one.

Abusive and violent people DO NOT NEED AN EXCUSE to be violent or abusive. An abusive person abuses their victim regardless.

Presuming that parental notification gives abusers an excuse to abuse their child is naive.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

Enorah. I agree with you 100% that we do not have a system in place to handle the needs of abused children. Nobody can deny that child abuse and neglect is a horrific problem in our society. That is exactly why it was used as a red herring to get people to defeat prop 4.

But, what makes you think that lack of parental notification improves the lives of those who are abused ?

I contend that defeat of prop 4 does nothing to protect our youth from abuse. I also contend that passage of prop 4 also would do nothing to protect our youth from abuse.

Parental notification will not turn a non-abusive household into an abusive one.

Abusive and violent people DO NOT NEED AN EXCUSE to be violent or abusive. An abusive person abuses their victim regardless.

Presuming that parental notification gives abusers an excuse to abuse their child is naive.

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