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November 17, 2008 at 3:13 PM #306472November 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM #306055
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ParticipantOK I give up. While we’re on the subject of abortion, here’s something I never knew before. It was always my impression that most abortions were performed while the embryo was just a ball of cells. Actually, you can’t get an abortion until you are about two months into a pregnancy so that they can see what they’re looking for before they remove it. Anyone here who has kids and has seen ultrasounds, knows how well developed a fetus is at two months. Pretty sad.
November 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM #306421ParticipantOK I give up. While we’re on the subject of abortion, here’s something I never knew before. It was always my impression that most abortions were performed while the embryo was just a ball of cells. Actually, you can’t get an abortion until you are about two months into a pregnancy so that they can see what they’re looking for before they remove it. Anyone here who has kids and has seen ultrasounds, knows how well developed a fetus is at two months. Pretty sad.
November 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM #306435ParticipantOK I give up. While we’re on the subject of abortion, here’s something I never knew before. It was always my impression that most abortions were performed while the embryo was just a ball of cells. Actually, you can’t get an abortion until you are about two months into a pregnancy so that they can see what they’re looking for before they remove it. Anyone here who has kids and has seen ultrasounds, knows how well developed a fetus is at two months. Pretty sad.
November 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM #306454ParticipantOK I give up. While we’re on the subject of abortion, here’s something I never knew before. It was always my impression that most abortions were performed while the embryo was just a ball of cells. Actually, you can’t get an abortion until you are about two months into a pregnancy so that they can see what they’re looking for before they remove it. Anyone here who has kids and has seen ultrasounds, knows how well developed a fetus is at two months. Pretty sad.
November 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM #306513ParticipantOK I give up. While we’re on the subject of abortion, here’s something I never knew before. It was always my impression that most abortions were performed while the embryo was just a ball of cells. Actually, you can’t get an abortion until you are about two months into a pregnancy so that they can see what they’re looking for before they remove it. Anyone here who has kids and has seen ultrasounds, knows how well developed a fetus is at two months. Pretty sad.
November 17, 2008 at 5:10 PM #306060DWCAP
Participant[quote=FormerSanDiegan]
There was really no need to indicate that you don’t have children, it was obvious be the rest of the post.By age two kids are hiding things from their parents. They will shit their pants and if you ask them if they are poopy they will tell you “no”.
It definitely can get worse as they near adolescence. Also, from what I remember as a teen, there were plenty of things my parents didn’t know about what me and my siblings did (or at least that’s what I thought).
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Ahh, yes, the lets not address anything important in the post and rather attack a moot point about “you obviously dont know anything”. Good one, you sure got me.
I went back before posting and included that part about not having kids especially for this. Youd rather talk about poopy pants from a two year old or totally elective surgery for the totally vain than address the point that some teenagers face death or atleast extream physical or emotional violence from the passage of prop 4.I have two baby neices. Id step in front of a bullet for either of them. I have spent vacations taking care of them sick, I was there when they were born. And yes, I have been there when I watched one break her sisters toy, and then tell me she didnt do it, with the toy at her feet. I am not their father, (their father is my only brother) but I am their uncle and it isnt hard to project them into this situtation or me into his (as their father). In either case, I would want them to talk to someone. Their parents, my parents, Me, My sister-in-laws parents, a counciler at school, a doctor, a teacher. Someone they feel that they can go to with a problem and get help. But I am not stupid enough to think that there are no broken homes out there. No children who cannot turn to their parents for anything but abuse and neglect. No teens who will make a mistake, and then compound it out of fear to the point that that mistake costs them their lives. Id much rather find out that my neice had an abortion without her family knowing then go home to a funeral. And yes, in all to many cases, that could be the outcome.
But apparently the fact I have not chosen to procrate yet makes this all moot.
November 17, 2008 at 5:10 PM #306426Participant[quote=FormerSanDiegan]
There was really no need to indicate that you don’t have children, it was obvious be the rest of the post.By age two kids are hiding things from their parents. They will shit their pants and if you ask them if they are poopy they will tell you “no”.
It definitely can get worse as they near adolescence. Also, from what I remember as a teen, there were plenty of things my parents didn’t know about what me and my siblings did (or at least that’s what I thought).
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Ahh, yes, the lets not address anything important in the post and rather attack a moot point about “you obviously dont know anything”. Good one, you sure got me.
I went back before posting and included that part about not having kids especially for this. Youd rather talk about poopy pants from a two year old or totally elective surgery for the totally vain than address the point that some teenagers face death or atleast extream physical or emotional violence from the passage of prop 4.I have two baby neices. Id step in front of a bullet for either of them. I have spent vacations taking care of them sick, I was there when they were born. And yes, I have been there when I watched one break her sisters toy, and then tell me she didnt do it, with the toy at her feet. I am not their father, (their father is my only brother) but I am their uncle and it isnt hard to project them into this situtation or me into his (as their father). In either case, I would want them to talk to someone. Their parents, my parents, Me, My sister-in-laws parents, a counciler at school, a doctor, a teacher. Someone they feel that they can go to with a problem and get help. But I am not stupid enough to think that there are no broken homes out there. No children who cannot turn to their parents for anything but abuse and neglect. No teens who will make a mistake, and then compound it out of fear to the point that that mistake costs them their lives. Id much rather find out that my neice had an abortion without her family knowing then go home to a funeral. And yes, in all to many cases, that could be the outcome.
But apparently the fact I have not chosen to procrate yet makes this all moot.
November 17, 2008 at 5:10 PM #306440Participant[quote=FormerSanDiegan]
There was really no need to indicate that you don’t have children, it was obvious be the rest of the post.By age two kids are hiding things from their parents. They will shit their pants and if you ask them if they are poopy they will tell you “no”.
It definitely can get worse as they near adolescence. Also, from what I remember as a teen, there were plenty of things my parents didn’t know about what me and my siblings did (or at least that’s what I thought).
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Ahh, yes, the lets not address anything important in the post and rather attack a moot point about “you obviously dont know anything”. Good one, you sure got me.
I went back before posting and included that part about not having kids especially for this. Youd rather talk about poopy pants from a two year old or totally elective surgery for the totally vain than address the point that some teenagers face death or atleast extream physical or emotional violence from the passage of prop 4.I have two baby neices. Id step in front of a bullet for either of them. I have spent vacations taking care of them sick, I was there when they were born. And yes, I have been there when I watched one break her sisters toy, and then tell me she didnt do it, with the toy at her feet. I am not their father, (their father is my only brother) but I am their uncle and it isnt hard to project them into this situtation or me into his (as their father). In either case, I would want them to talk to someone. Their parents, my parents, Me, My sister-in-laws parents, a counciler at school, a doctor, a teacher. Someone they feel that they can go to with a problem and get help. But I am not stupid enough to think that there are no broken homes out there. No children who cannot turn to their parents for anything but abuse and neglect. No teens who will make a mistake, and then compound it out of fear to the point that that mistake costs them their lives. Id much rather find out that my neice had an abortion without her family knowing then go home to a funeral. And yes, in all to many cases, that could be the outcome.
But apparently the fact I have not chosen to procrate yet makes this all moot.
November 17, 2008 at 5:10 PM #306459Participant[quote=FormerSanDiegan]
There was really no need to indicate that you don’t have children, it was obvious be the rest of the post.By age two kids are hiding things from their parents. They will shit their pants and if you ask them if they are poopy they will tell you “no”.
It definitely can get worse as they near adolescence. Also, from what I remember as a teen, there were plenty of things my parents didn’t know about what me and my siblings did (or at least that’s what I thought).
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Ahh, yes, the lets not address anything important in the post and rather attack a moot point about “you obviously dont know anything”. Good one, you sure got me.
I went back before posting and included that part about not having kids especially for this. Youd rather talk about poopy pants from a two year old or totally elective surgery for the totally vain than address the point that some teenagers face death or atleast extream physical or emotional violence from the passage of prop 4.I have two baby neices. Id step in front of a bullet for either of them. I have spent vacations taking care of them sick, I was there when they were born. And yes, I have been there when I watched one break her sisters toy, and then tell me she didnt do it, with the toy at her feet. I am not their father, (their father is my only brother) but I am their uncle and it isnt hard to project them into this situtation or me into his (as their father). In either case, I would want them to talk to someone. Their parents, my parents, Me, My sister-in-laws parents, a counciler at school, a doctor, a teacher. Someone they feel that they can go to with a problem and get help. But I am not stupid enough to think that there are no broken homes out there. No children who cannot turn to their parents for anything but abuse and neglect. No teens who will make a mistake, and then compound it out of fear to the point that that mistake costs them their lives. Id much rather find out that my neice had an abortion without her family knowing then go home to a funeral. And yes, in all to many cases, that could be the outcome.
But apparently the fact I have not chosen to procrate yet makes this all moot.
November 17, 2008 at 5:10 PM #306519Participant[quote=FormerSanDiegan]
There was really no need to indicate that you don’t have children, it was obvious be the rest of the post.By age two kids are hiding things from their parents. They will shit their pants and if you ask them if they are poopy they will tell you “no”.
It definitely can get worse as they near adolescence. Also, from what I remember as a teen, there were plenty of things my parents didn’t know about what me and my siblings did (or at least that’s what I thought).
[/quote]
Ahh, yes, the lets not address anything important in the post and rather attack a moot point about “you obviously dont know anything”. Good one, you sure got me.
I went back before posting and included that part about not having kids especially for this. Youd rather talk about poopy pants from a two year old or totally elective surgery for the totally vain than address the point that some teenagers face death or atleast extream physical or emotional violence from the passage of prop 4.I have two baby neices. Id step in front of a bullet for either of them. I have spent vacations taking care of them sick, I was there when they were born. And yes, I have been there when I watched one break her sisters toy, and then tell me she didnt do it, with the toy at her feet. I am not their father, (their father is my only brother) but I am their uncle and it isnt hard to project them into this situtation or me into his (as their father). In either case, I would want them to talk to someone. Their parents, my parents, Me, My sister-in-laws parents, a counciler at school, a doctor, a teacher. Someone they feel that they can go to with a problem and get help. But I am not stupid enough to think that there are no broken homes out there. No children who cannot turn to their parents for anything but abuse and neglect. No teens who will make a mistake, and then compound it out of fear to the point that that mistake costs them their lives. Id much rather find out that my neice had an abortion without her family knowing then go home to a funeral. And yes, in all to many cases, that could be the outcome.
But apparently the fact I have not chosen to procrate yet makes this all moot.
November 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM #306065(former)FormerSanDiegan
Participant[quote=Enorah]This law protects children who lives in homes where they are being abused – sexually, verbally, physically, etc.
If your parents are beating the crap out of you and you get pregnant, what do you think they are going to do when you tell them you are pregnant? Take your hand, give you a hug, and counsel you?
[/quote]Huh ?
What about all those children who are in abusive households who are not pregnant ?
How are we going to protect them.My point is that their are laws to protect children from abuse. A child in an abusive household should seek protection from authorities or a trusted relative, whether or not they are pregnant.
The proposition that was defeated has nothing to do with abuse. That argument was simply a red herring argument to get your vote.
The proposition sought to provide parental notification in the case where minors sought a specific elective medical procedure.
The problem is that the type of specific medical procedure is one that incites extreme emotions from both sides.
Personally, I do not believe that minors under a certain age (we can argue whether it is 14, 16 or 18) should be able to obtain any elective medical procedure without parental consent.
Are there other non-emergency medical procedures that can be performed on minors without parental consent ?
November 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM #306431Participant[quote=Enorah]This law protects children who lives in homes where they are being abused – sexually, verbally, physically, etc.
If your parents are beating the crap out of you and you get pregnant, what do you think they are going to do when you tell them you are pregnant? Take your hand, give you a hug, and counsel you?
[/quote]Huh ?
What about all those children who are in abusive households who are not pregnant ?
How are we going to protect them.My point is that their are laws to protect children from abuse. A child in an abusive household should seek protection from authorities or a trusted relative, whether or not they are pregnant.
The proposition that was defeated has nothing to do with abuse. That argument was simply a red herring argument to get your vote.
The proposition sought to provide parental notification in the case where minors sought a specific elective medical procedure.
The problem is that the type of specific medical procedure is one that incites extreme emotions from both sides.
Personally, I do not believe that minors under a certain age (we can argue whether it is 14, 16 or 18) should be able to obtain any elective medical procedure without parental consent.
Are there other non-emergency medical procedures that can be performed on minors without parental consent ?
November 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM #306445Participant[quote=Enorah]This law protects children who lives in homes where they are being abused – sexually, verbally, physically, etc.
If your parents are beating the crap out of you and you get pregnant, what do you think they are going to do when you tell them you are pregnant? Take your hand, give you a hug, and counsel you?
[/quote]Huh ?
What about all those children who are in abusive households who are not pregnant ?
How are we going to protect them.My point is that their are laws to protect children from abuse. A child in an abusive household should seek protection from authorities or a trusted relative, whether or not they are pregnant.
The proposition that was defeated has nothing to do with abuse. That argument was simply a red herring argument to get your vote.
The proposition sought to provide parental notification in the case where minors sought a specific elective medical procedure.
The problem is that the type of specific medical procedure is one that incites extreme emotions from both sides.
Personally, I do not believe that minors under a certain age (we can argue whether it is 14, 16 or 18) should be able to obtain any elective medical procedure without parental consent.
Are there other non-emergency medical procedures that can be performed on minors without parental consent ?
November 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM #306464Participant[quote=Enorah]This law protects children who lives in homes where they are being abused – sexually, verbally, physically, etc.
If your parents are beating the crap out of you and you get pregnant, what do you think they are going to do when you tell them you are pregnant? Take your hand, give you a hug, and counsel you?
[/quote]Huh ?
What about all those children who are in abusive households who are not pregnant ?
How are we going to protect them.My point is that their are laws to protect children from abuse. A child in an abusive household should seek protection from authorities or a trusted relative, whether or not they are pregnant.
The proposition that was defeated has nothing to do with abuse. That argument was simply a red herring argument to get your vote.
The proposition sought to provide parental notification in the case where minors sought a specific elective medical procedure.
The problem is that the type of specific medical procedure is one that incites extreme emotions from both sides.
Personally, I do not believe that minors under a certain age (we can argue whether it is 14, 16 or 18) should be able to obtain any elective medical procedure without parental consent.
Are there other non-emergency medical procedures that can be performed on minors without parental consent ?
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