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  • November 18, 2008 at 3:38 PM #307141
    Butleroftwo
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    It is illegal to abort your smog check while your hooked up to the machine here in CA, so I don’t see the problem of allowing a 13 year old girl go by herself to the family planning clinic. Does anyone know where I can find a back ally smog checker? They don’t even have ally’s here in suburban north county let alone back ally abortion clinics. I also wonder if family planning clinics serve ice cream or candy to their little girl customers.

    November 18, 2008 at 4:37 PM #306697
    (former)FormerSanDiegan
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    Anyone know of any other non-emergency medical procedures that minors are allowed to undergo without parental consent ?

    Navydoc? other medical pros ? Anyone ?

    November 18, 2008 at 4:37 PM #307067
    (former)FormerSanDiegan
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    Anyone know of any other non-emergency medical procedures that minors are allowed to undergo without parental consent ?

    Navydoc? other medical pros ? Anyone ?

    November 18, 2008 at 4:37 PM #307080
    (former)FormerSanDiegan
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    Anyone know of any other non-emergency medical procedures that minors are allowed to undergo without parental consent ?

    Navydoc? other medical pros ? Anyone ?

    November 18, 2008 at 4:37 PM #307099
    (former)FormerSanDiegan
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    Anyone know of any other non-emergency medical procedures that minors are allowed to undergo without parental consent ?

    Navydoc? other medical pros ? Anyone ?

    November 18, 2008 at 4:37 PM #307161
    (former)FormerSanDiegan
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    Anyone know of any other non-emergency medical procedures that minors are allowed to undergo without parental consent ?

    Navydoc? other medical pros ? Anyone ?

    November 18, 2008 at 4:48 PM #306702
    DWCAP
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    [quote=FormerSanDiegan]The abortion issue is extremely polarizing. Prop 4 was a lightning rod for this issue.

    Putting aside the specifics of prop 4 for the moment …
    I want to know why our children cannot go on a field trip without permission, but can elect to have one or more medical procedures performed on them.

    Would someone please tell me what medical procedures our minor children can have performed on them without parental consent under current law ?

    [/quote]

    The issue you run into here is liability. I personally walked home from school everyday cause my parents worked. The school made my parents sign a release for me to walk off campus grounds every 3 months. It was liability that made them do that, not my ability to walk home or make a decision changing every 12 weeks or so. If something had happened, they wanted a recient release of liability.

    Nobody questions the inability of a 17 year old to know right from wrong in a murder trial, why do we think they cant decide if they want to go to the museum, and how to do it safely? We trust 16 year olds on the roads, yet they cant go on a field trip to the beach with friends and chaperones without parental consent? 18 year olds die in our defence in the military but we wont let them buy a beer? I was 18 when I graduated from High School, and my parents still had to sign a waiver for gradnight at school.
    The law says that people are responsible for what happens, and that is why we have consent forms and notification requirements. The law also currently says that doctors and schools are not responisble for non-notification abortions, to protect those that need this annamosity to survive, and so it still happens. If laws stopped putting liablity on schools for field trips, they would stop requiring parents to sign.

    Our system is riddeled with inefficent age limits and contradictions. No magical fairy visits us at midnight on the 18th annaversary of the day of our birth giving us wisdom and insight, but our Government treats it as such. Does it make sense? No. Will it change? No. Does it mean that we should inact laws that will help push the most vulnerable in our society to take risks that may end up costing them their lives? No. Each one of these age limits needs to be tested on their own merits, not lumped together.

    November 18, 2008 at 4:48 PM #307072
    DWCAP
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    [quote=FormerSanDiegan]The abortion issue is extremely polarizing. Prop 4 was a lightning rod for this issue.

    Putting aside the specifics of prop 4 for the moment …
    I want to know why our children cannot go on a field trip without permission, but can elect to have one or more medical procedures performed on them.

    Would someone please tell me what medical procedures our minor children can have performed on them without parental consent under current law ?

    [/quote]

    The issue you run into here is liability. I personally walked home from school everyday cause my parents worked. The school made my parents sign a release for me to walk off campus grounds every 3 months. It was liability that made them do that, not my ability to walk home or make a decision changing every 12 weeks or so. If something had happened, they wanted a recient release of liability.

    Nobody questions the inability of a 17 year old to know right from wrong in a murder trial, why do we think they cant decide if they want to go to the museum, and how to do it safely? We trust 16 year olds on the roads, yet they cant go on a field trip to the beach with friends and chaperones without parental consent? 18 year olds die in our defence in the military but we wont let them buy a beer? I was 18 when I graduated from High School, and my parents still had to sign a waiver for gradnight at school.
    The law says that people are responsible for what happens, and that is why we have consent forms and notification requirements. The law also currently says that doctors and schools are not responisble for non-notification abortions, to protect those that need this annamosity to survive, and so it still happens. If laws stopped putting liablity on schools for field trips, they would stop requiring parents to sign.

    Our system is riddeled with inefficent age limits and contradictions. No magical fairy visits us at midnight on the 18th annaversary of the day of our birth giving us wisdom and insight, but our Government treats it as such. Does it make sense? No. Will it change? No. Does it mean that we should inact laws that will help push the most vulnerable in our society to take risks that may end up costing them their lives? No. Each one of these age limits needs to be tested on their own merits, not lumped together.

    November 18, 2008 at 4:48 PM #307085
    DWCAP
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    [quote=FormerSanDiegan]The abortion issue is extremely polarizing. Prop 4 was a lightning rod for this issue.

    Putting aside the specifics of prop 4 for the moment …
    I want to know why our children cannot go on a field trip without permission, but can elect to have one or more medical procedures performed on them.

    Would someone please tell me what medical procedures our minor children can have performed on them without parental consent under current law ?

    [/quote]

    The issue you run into here is liability. I personally walked home from school everyday cause my parents worked. The school made my parents sign a release for me to walk off campus grounds every 3 months. It was liability that made them do that, not my ability to walk home or make a decision changing every 12 weeks or so. If something had happened, they wanted a recient release of liability.

    Nobody questions the inability of a 17 year old to know right from wrong in a murder trial, why do we think they cant decide if they want to go to the museum, and how to do it safely? We trust 16 year olds on the roads, yet they cant go on a field trip to the beach with friends and chaperones without parental consent? 18 year olds die in our defence in the military but we wont let them buy a beer? I was 18 when I graduated from High School, and my parents still had to sign a waiver for gradnight at school.
    The law says that people are responsible for what happens, and that is why we have consent forms and notification requirements. The law also currently says that doctors and schools are not responisble for non-notification abortions, to protect those that need this annamosity to survive, and so it still happens. If laws stopped putting liablity on schools for field trips, they would stop requiring parents to sign.

    Our system is riddeled with inefficent age limits and contradictions. No magical fairy visits us at midnight on the 18th annaversary of the day of our birth giving us wisdom and insight, but our Government treats it as such. Does it make sense? No. Will it change? No. Does it mean that we should inact laws that will help push the most vulnerable in our society to take risks that may end up costing them their lives? No. Each one of these age limits needs to be tested on their own merits, not lumped together.

    November 18, 2008 at 4:48 PM #307104
    DWCAP
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    [quote=FormerSanDiegan]The abortion issue is extremely polarizing. Prop 4 was a lightning rod for this issue.

    Putting aside the specifics of prop 4 for the moment …
    I want to know why our children cannot go on a field trip without permission, but can elect to have one or more medical procedures performed on them.

    Would someone please tell me what medical procedures our minor children can have performed on them without parental consent under current law ?

    [/quote]

    The issue you run into here is liability. I personally walked home from school everyday cause my parents worked. The school made my parents sign a release for me to walk off campus grounds every 3 months. It was liability that made them do that, not my ability to walk home or make a decision changing every 12 weeks or so. If something had happened, they wanted a recient release of liability.

    Nobody questions the inability of a 17 year old to know right from wrong in a murder trial, why do we think they cant decide if they want to go to the museum, and how to do it safely? We trust 16 year olds on the roads, yet they cant go on a field trip to the beach with friends and chaperones without parental consent? 18 year olds die in our defence in the military but we wont let them buy a beer? I was 18 when I graduated from High School, and my parents still had to sign a waiver for gradnight at school.
    The law says that people are responsible for what happens, and that is why we have consent forms and notification requirements. The law also currently says that doctors and schools are not responisble for non-notification abortions, to protect those that need this annamosity to survive, and so it still happens. If laws stopped putting liablity on schools for field trips, they would stop requiring parents to sign.

    Our system is riddeled with inefficent age limits and contradictions. No magical fairy visits us at midnight on the 18th annaversary of the day of our birth giving us wisdom and insight, but our Government treats it as such. Does it make sense? No. Will it change? No. Does it mean that we should inact laws that will help push the most vulnerable in our society to take risks that may end up costing them their lives? No. Each one of these age limits needs to be tested on their own merits, not lumped together.

    November 18, 2008 at 4:48 PM #307166
    DWCAP
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    [quote=FormerSanDiegan]The abortion issue is extremely polarizing. Prop 4 was a lightning rod for this issue.

    Putting aside the specifics of prop 4 for the moment …
    I want to know why our children cannot go on a field trip without permission, but can elect to have one or more medical procedures performed on them.

    Would someone please tell me what medical procedures our minor children can have performed on them without parental consent under current law ?

    [/quote]

    The issue you run into here is liability. I personally walked home from school everyday cause my parents worked. The school made my parents sign a release for me to walk off campus grounds every 3 months. It was liability that made them do that, not my ability to walk home or make a decision changing every 12 weeks or so. If something had happened, they wanted a recient release of liability.

    Nobody questions the inability of a 17 year old to know right from wrong in a murder trial, why do we think they cant decide if they want to go to the museum, and how to do it safely? We trust 16 year olds on the roads, yet they cant go on a field trip to the beach with friends and chaperones without parental consent? 18 year olds die in our defence in the military but we wont let them buy a beer? I was 18 when I graduated from High School, and my parents still had to sign a waiver for gradnight at school.
    The law says that people are responsible for what happens, and that is why we have consent forms and notification requirements. The law also currently says that doctors and schools are not responisble for non-notification abortions, to protect those that need this annamosity to survive, and so it still happens. If laws stopped putting liablity on schools for field trips, they would stop requiring parents to sign.

    Our system is riddeled with inefficent age limits and contradictions. No magical fairy visits us at midnight on the 18th annaversary of the day of our birth giving us wisdom and insight, but our Government treats it as such. Does it make sense? No. Will it change? No. Does it mean that we should inact laws that will help push the most vulnerable in our society to take risks that may end up costing them their lives? No. Each one of these age limits needs to be tested on their own merits, not lumped together.

    November 18, 2008 at 7:06 PM #306782
    Navydoc
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    [quote=FormerSanDiegan]Anyone know of any other non-emergency medical procedures that minors are allowed to undergo without parental consent ?

    Navydoc? other medical pros ? Anyone ?
    [/quote]

    An interesting thing happens when a minor gets pregnant. She becomes emancipated to all decisions regarding the pregnancy, and can do anything pregnancy related without parental consent. In this way we can perform a surgical treatment for ectopic pregnancy without the parents ever knowing their daughter was pregnant. I am unaware of any procedures you can perform on non-pregnat minors, but in regards to their reproductive health you can treat STD’s or provide contraception without notifying the parents.

    I remember having an interesting admission as a resident of a 16 year old with chlamydia positive pelvic inflammatory disease (PID) and had one heck of a time dodging the issue with her mother.

    November 18, 2008 at 7:06 PM #307152
    Navydoc
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    [quote=FormerSanDiegan]Anyone know of any other non-emergency medical procedures that minors are allowed to undergo without parental consent ?

    Navydoc? other medical pros ? Anyone ?
    [/quote]

    An interesting thing happens when a minor gets pregnant. She becomes emancipated to all decisions regarding the pregnancy, and can do anything pregnancy related without parental consent. In this way we can perform a surgical treatment for ectopic pregnancy without the parents ever knowing their daughter was pregnant. I am unaware of any procedures you can perform on non-pregnat minors, but in regards to their reproductive health you can treat STD’s or provide contraception without notifying the parents.

    I remember having an interesting admission as a resident of a 16 year old with chlamydia positive pelvic inflammatory disease (PID) and had one heck of a time dodging the issue with her mother.

    November 18, 2008 at 7:06 PM #307165
    Navydoc
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    [quote=FormerSanDiegan]Anyone know of any other non-emergency medical procedures that minors are allowed to undergo without parental consent ?

    Navydoc? other medical pros ? Anyone ?
    [/quote]

    An interesting thing happens when a minor gets pregnant. She becomes emancipated to all decisions regarding the pregnancy, and can do anything pregnancy related without parental consent. In this way we can perform a surgical treatment for ectopic pregnancy without the parents ever knowing their daughter was pregnant. I am unaware of any procedures you can perform on non-pregnat minors, but in regards to their reproductive health you can treat STD’s or provide contraception without notifying the parents.

    I remember having an interesting admission as a resident of a 16 year old with chlamydia positive pelvic inflammatory disease (PID) and had one heck of a time dodging the issue with her mother.

    November 18, 2008 at 7:06 PM #307184
    Navydoc
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    [quote=FormerSanDiegan]Anyone know of any other non-emergency medical procedures that minors are allowed to undergo without parental consent ?

    Navydoc? other medical pros ? Anyone ?
    [/quote]

    An interesting thing happens when a minor gets pregnant. She becomes emancipated to all decisions regarding the pregnancy, and can do anything pregnancy related without parental consent. In this way we can perform a surgical treatment for ectopic pregnancy without the parents ever knowing their daughter was pregnant. I am unaware of any procedures you can perform on non-pregnat minors, but in regards to their reproductive health you can treat STD’s or provide contraception without notifying the parents.

    I remember having an interesting admission as a resident of a 16 year old with chlamydia positive pelvic inflammatory disease (PID) and had one heck of a time dodging the issue with her mother.

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