OT: There are a lot of things that do NOT make sense.

[fredo4]

[quote=Navydoc]The earliest you can see the embryo with ultrasound is about 4.5 weeks past the last menstrual period, or about 2.5 weeks after conception. A surgical abortion can be performed any time after the embryo can be visualized. Visualization inside the uterus is essential to prevent the attempt to abort an ectopic pregnancy.

Prior to 9 weeks after LMP you need to know exactly what to look for to find the embryo in the pathology tray. After 9 weeks it starts to look like a baby in there.

Abortion is obtainable in CA up to 24 weeks, unless a lethal anomaly is discovered later in pregnancy.

I voted against the prop, as I believe it will lead to increases in back alley illegal abortions, especially in this age group. Abortion MUST remain legal, even though I personally feel that you lose a little piece of you soul after you perform each one.[/quote]

Thanks for the info Navydoc. As I said it was always my understanding that abortions could be performed while the fetus was just a ball of cells. Any idea how long the abortion pill can be used before surgical abortion is needed and what year it came out?

*I love the busses to planned parenthood idea. That would be much safer. But they should have carseats just to make sure.

[Navydoc]

[quote=fredo4 Any idea how long the abortion pill can be used before surgical abortion is needed and what year it came out? [/quote]

Not quite sure when Ru486 first became available in Europe, but in the States it was FDA approved early this century. Many physicians used it off-label though for quite some time. I went to U. of Pittsburgh for Med School and many of the studies for medical abortion were performed there.

As for when it can be used, it depends on the agent. Ru486 coupled with misoprostol can be used up to 9 weeks, Methotrexate regimens (the drug we use to treat ectopics) can be used up to 7 weeks.

Be aware that medical regimens are ONLY given to those women who are sufficiently motivated to complete a comprehensive follow up plan. It is absolutely NOT fire and forget, as many women need dilation and curretage (D&C) afterward for incomplete abortions.

Many women choose medical abortion as they feel they have more control, where a surgical abortion is a more submissive process. I don’t perform either anymore, but will counsel women for both, then give the appropriate referral. When I’m back in my uniform next summer it won’t be an issue, as elective terminations are forbidden at military hospitals.

[Navydoc]

[quote=fredo4 Any idea how long the abortion pill can be used before surgical abortion is needed and what year it came out? [/quote]

Not quite sure when Ru486 first became available in Europe, but in the States it was FDA approved early this century. Many physicians used it off-label though for quite some time. I went to U. of Pittsburgh for Med School and many of the studies for medical abortion were performed there.

As for when it can be used, it depends on the agent. Ru486 coupled with misoprostol can be used up to 9 weeks, Methotrexate regimens (the drug we use to treat ectopics) can be used up to 7 weeks.

Be aware that medical regimens are ONLY given to those women who are sufficiently motivated to complete a comprehensive follow up plan. It is absolutely NOT fire and forget, as many women need dilation and curretage (D&C) afterward for incomplete abortions.

Many women choose medical abortion as they feel they have more control, where a surgical abortion is a more submissive process. I don’t perform either anymore, but will counsel women for both, then give the appropriate referral. When I’m back in my uniform next summer it won’t be an issue, as elective terminations are forbidden at military hospitals.

[Navydoc]

[quote=fredo4 Any idea how long the abortion pill can be used before surgical abortion is needed and what year it came out? [/quote]

Not quite sure when Ru486 first became available in Europe, but in the States it was FDA approved early this century. Many physicians used it off-label though for quite some time. I went to U. of Pittsburgh for Med School and many of the studies for medical abortion were performed there.

As for when it can be used, it depends on the agent. Ru486 coupled with misoprostol can be used up to 9 weeks, Methotrexate regimens (the drug we use to treat ectopics) can be used up to 7 weeks.

Be aware that medical regimens are ONLY given to those women who are sufficiently motivated to complete a comprehensive follow up plan. It is absolutely NOT fire and forget, as many women need dilation and curretage (D&C) afterward for incomplete abortions.

Many women choose medical abortion as they feel they have more control, where a surgical abortion is a more submissive process. I don’t perform either anymore, but will counsel women for both, then give the appropriate referral. When I’m back in my uniform next summer it won’t be an issue, as elective terminations are forbidden at military hospitals.

[Navydoc]

[quote=fredo4 Any idea how long the abortion pill can be used before surgical abortion is needed and what year it came out? [/quote]

Not quite sure when Ru486 first became available in Europe, but in the States it was FDA approved early this century. Many physicians used it off-label though for quite some time. I went to U. of Pittsburgh for Med School and many of the studies for medical abortion were performed there.

As for when it can be used, it depends on the agent. Ru486 coupled with misoprostol can be used up to 9 weeks, Methotrexate regimens (the drug we use to treat ectopics) can be used up to 7 weeks.

Be aware that medical regimens are ONLY given to those women who are sufficiently motivated to complete a comprehensive follow up plan. It is absolutely NOT fire and forget, as many women need dilation and curretage (D&C) afterward for incomplete abortions.

Many women choose medical abortion as they feel they have more control, where a surgical abortion is a more submissive process. I don’t perform either anymore, but will counsel women for both, then give the appropriate referral. When I’m back in my uniform next summer it won’t be an issue, as elective terminations are forbidden at military hospitals.

[Navydoc]

[quote=fredo4 Any idea how long the abortion pill can be used before surgical abortion is needed and what year it came out? [/quote]

Not quite sure when Ru486 first became available in Europe, but in the States it was FDA approved early this century. Many physicians used it off-label though for quite some time. I went to U. of Pittsburgh for Med School and many of the studies for medical abortion were performed there.

As for when it can be used, it depends on the agent. Ru486 coupled with misoprostol can be used up to 9 weeks, Methotrexate regimens (the drug we use to treat ectopics) can be used up to 7 weeks.

Be aware that medical regimens are ONLY given to those women who are sufficiently motivated to complete a comprehensive follow up plan. It is absolutely NOT fire and forget, as many women need dilation and curretage (D&C) afterward for incomplete abortions.

Many women choose medical abortion as they feel they have more control, where a surgical abortion is a more submissive process. I don’t perform either anymore, but will counsel women for both, then give the appropriate referral. When I’m back in my uniform next summer it won’t be an issue, as elective terminations are forbidden at military hospitals.

[MANmom]

Maybe we need to ammend our laws to include the schools being able to take our sons or daughters down to the tattoo parlor without parental consent. The original thread was that some things don’t make sense… And I am sorry if you believe that one child will ruin your life, they are innocent. Give it up for adoption, you are out 1 year of your life but gave another person a great gift. Make good out of a bad situation. And I am not religious.

[MANmom]

Maybe we need to ammend our laws to include the schools being able to take our sons or daughters down to the tattoo parlor without parental consent. The original thread was that some things don’t make sense… And I am sorry if you believe that one child will ruin your life, they are innocent. Give it up for adoption, you are out 1 year of your life but gave another person a great gift. Make good out of a bad situation. And I am not religious.

[MANmom]

Maybe we need to ammend our laws to include the schools being able to take our sons or daughters down to the tattoo parlor without parental consent. The original thread was that some things don’t make sense… And I am sorry if you believe that one child will ruin your life, they are innocent. Give it up for adoption, you are out 1 year of your life but gave another person a great gift. Make good out of a bad situation. And I am not religious.

[MANmom]

Maybe we need to ammend our laws to include the schools being able to take our sons or daughters down to the tattoo parlor without parental consent. The original thread was that some things don’t make sense… And I am sorry if you believe that one child will ruin your life, they are innocent. Give it up for adoption, you are out 1 year of your life but gave another person a great gift. Make good out of a bad situation. And I am not religious.

[MANmom]

Maybe we need to ammend our laws to include the schools being able to take our sons or daughters down to the tattoo parlor without parental consent. The original thread was that some things don’t make sense… And I am sorry if you believe that one child will ruin your life, they are innocent. Give it up for adoption, you are out 1 year of your life but gave another person a great gift. Make good out of a bad situation. And I am not religious.

[Butleroftwo]

It is illegal to abort your smog check while your hooked up to the machine here in CA, so I don’t see the problem of allowing a 13 year old girl go by herself to the family planning clinic. Does anyone know where I can find a back ally smog checker? They don’t even have ally’s here in suburban north county let alone back ally abortion clinics. I also wonder if family planning clinics serve ice cream or candy to their little girl customers.

[Butleroftwo]

It is illegal to abort your smog check while your hooked up to the machine here in CA, so I don’t see the problem of allowing a 13 year old girl go by herself to the family planning clinic. Does anyone know where I can find a back ally smog checker? They don’t even have ally’s here in suburban north county let alone back ally abortion clinics. I also wonder if family planning clinics serve ice cream or candy to their little girl customers.

[Butleroftwo]

It is illegal to abort your smog check while your hooked up to the machine here in CA, so I don’t see the problem of allowing a 13 year old girl go by herself to the family planning clinic. Does anyone know where I can find a back ally smog checker? They don’t even have ally’s here in suburban north county let alone back ally abortion clinics. I also wonder if family planning clinics serve ice cream or candy to their little girl customers.

[Butleroftwo]

It is illegal to abort your smog check while your hooked up to the machine here in CA, so I don’t see the problem of allowing a 13 year old girl go by herself to the family planning clinic. Does anyone know where I can find a back ally smog checker? They don’t even have ally’s here in suburban north county let alone back ally abortion clinics. I also wonder if family planning clinics serve ice cream or candy to their little girl customers.

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