OT: There are a lot of things that do NOT make sense.

[Anonymous]

I do have a kid. And I’m more pro-choice and anti-prop 4 than ever. If I had gotten pregnant as a teenager and my parents had been notified, they would have forced me to carry the pregnancy. And my life would have been ruined.

I’m glad all of you people had loving, non-fundamentalist-whacko parents. But not everyone is so lucky.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

The abortion issue is extremely polarizing. Prop 4 was a lightning rod for this issue.

Putting aside the specifics of prop 4 for the moment …
I want to know why our children cannot go on a field trip without permission, but can elect to have one or more medical procedures performed on them.

Would someone please tell me what medical procedures our minor children can have performed on them without parental consent under current law ?

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

The abortion issue is extremely polarizing. Prop 4 was a lightning rod for this issue.

Putting aside the specifics of prop 4 for the moment …
I want to know why our children cannot go on a field trip without permission, but can elect to have one or more medical procedures performed on them.

Would someone please tell me what medical procedures our minor children can have performed on them without parental consent under current law ?

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

The abortion issue is extremely polarizing. Prop 4 was a lightning rod for this issue.

Putting aside the specifics of prop 4 for the moment …
I want to know why our children cannot go on a field trip without permission, but can elect to have one or more medical procedures performed on them.

Would someone please tell me what medical procedures our minor children can have performed on them without parental consent under current law ?

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

The abortion issue is extremely polarizing. Prop 4 was a lightning rod for this issue.

Putting aside the specifics of prop 4 for the moment …
I want to know why our children cannot go on a field trip without permission, but can elect to have one or more medical procedures performed on them.

Would someone please tell me what medical procedures our minor children can have performed on them without parental consent under current law ?

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

The abortion issue is extremely polarizing. Prop 4 was a lightning rod for this issue.

Putting aside the specifics of prop 4 for the moment …
I want to know why our children cannot go on a field trip without permission, but can elect to have one or more medical procedures performed on them.

Would someone please tell me what medical procedures our minor children can have performed on them without parental consent under current law ?

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=Enorah]Such a slippery slope, legislating this kind of stuff.

I reached for help three times from the age of 14 on and was turned away with no real help given, by professionals.

It did not end until I left home at 16 and said I was not returning until the perpetrator was gone (stepfather).

He was gone in a week.

That is what it took for my mother to wake up. I can not imagine having to go to her if I were pregnant back then. Truthfully, I could not go to her for much of anything. She was absent, gone, emotionally.

The circumstances in my home were minor compared to what I have heard from many other people in my work first in child abuse prevention and now as a healer.

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I am sorry this happened to you.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=Enorah]Such a slippery slope, legislating this kind of stuff.

I reached for help three times from the age of 14 on and was turned away with no real help given, by professionals.

It did not end until I left home at 16 and said I was not returning until the perpetrator was gone (stepfather).

He was gone in a week.

That is what it took for my mother to wake up. I can not imagine having to go to her if I were pregnant back then. Truthfully, I could not go to her for much of anything. She was absent, gone, emotionally.

The circumstances in my home were minor compared to what I have heard from many other people in my work first in child abuse prevention and now as a healer.

[/quote]

I am sorry this happened to you.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=Enorah]Such a slippery slope, legislating this kind of stuff.

I reached for help three times from the age of 14 on and was turned away with no real help given, by professionals.

It did not end until I left home at 16 and said I was not returning until the perpetrator was gone (stepfather).

He was gone in a week.

That is what it took for my mother to wake up. I can not imagine having to go to her if I were pregnant back then. Truthfully, I could not go to her for much of anything. She was absent, gone, emotionally.

The circumstances in my home were minor compared to what I have heard from many other people in my work first in child abuse prevention and now as a healer.

[/quote]

I am sorry this happened to you.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=Enorah]Such a slippery slope, legislating this kind of stuff.

I reached for help three times from the age of 14 on and was turned away with no real help given, by professionals.

It did not end until I left home at 16 and said I was not returning until the perpetrator was gone (stepfather).

He was gone in a week.

That is what it took for my mother to wake up. I can not imagine having to go to her if I were pregnant back then. Truthfully, I could not go to her for much of anything. She was absent, gone, emotionally.

The circumstances in my home were minor compared to what I have heard from many other people in my work first in child abuse prevention and now as a healer.

[/quote]

I am sorry this happened to you.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=Enorah]Such a slippery slope, legislating this kind of stuff.

I reached for help three times from the age of 14 on and was turned away with no real help given, by professionals.

It did not end until I left home at 16 and said I was not returning until the perpetrator was gone (stepfather).

He was gone in a week.

That is what it took for my mother to wake up. I can not imagine having to go to her if I were pregnant back then. Truthfully, I could not go to her for much of anything. She was absent, gone, emotionally.

The circumstances in my home were minor compared to what I have heard from many other people in my work first in child abuse prevention and now as a healer.

[/quote]

I am sorry this happened to you.

[fredo4]

[quote=Navydoc]The earliest you can see the embryo with ultrasound is about 4.5 weeks past the last menstrual period, or about 2.5 weeks after conception. A surgical abortion can be performed any time after the embryo can be visualized. Visualization inside the uterus is essential to prevent the attempt to abort an ectopic pregnancy.

Prior to 9 weeks after LMP you need to know exactly what to look for to find the embryo in the pathology tray. After 9 weeks it starts to look like a baby in there.

Abortion is obtainable in CA up to 24 weeks, unless a lethal anomaly is discovered later in pregnancy.

I voted against the prop, as I believe it will lead to increases in back alley illegal abortions, especially in this age group. Abortion MUST remain legal, even though I personally feel that you lose a little piece of you soul after you perform each one.[/quote]

Thanks for the info Navydoc. As I said it was always my understanding that abortions could be performed while the fetus was just a ball of cells. Any idea how long the abortion pill can be used before surgical abortion is needed and what year it came out?

*I love the busses to planned parenthood idea. That would be much safer. But they should have carseats just to make sure.

[fredo4]

[quote=Navydoc]The earliest you can see the embryo with ultrasound is about 4.5 weeks past the last menstrual period, or about 2.5 weeks after conception. A surgical abortion can be performed any time after the embryo can be visualized. Visualization inside the uterus is essential to prevent the attempt to abort an ectopic pregnancy.

Prior to 9 weeks after LMP you need to know exactly what to look for to find the embryo in the pathology tray. After 9 weeks it starts to look like a baby in there.

Abortion is obtainable in CA up to 24 weeks, unless a lethal anomaly is discovered later in pregnancy.

I voted against the prop, as I believe it will lead to increases in back alley illegal abortions, especially in this age group. Abortion MUST remain legal, even though I personally feel that you lose a little piece of you soul after you perform each one.[/quote]

Thanks for the info Navydoc. As I said it was always my understanding that abortions could be performed while the fetus was just a ball of cells. Any idea how long the abortion pill can be used before surgical abortion is needed and what year it came out?

*I love the busses to planned parenthood idea. That would be much safer. But they should have carseats just to make sure.

[fredo4]

[quote=Navydoc]The earliest you can see the embryo with ultrasound is about 4.5 weeks past the last menstrual period, or about 2.5 weeks after conception. A surgical abortion can be performed any time after the embryo can be visualized. Visualization inside the uterus is essential to prevent the attempt to abort an ectopic pregnancy.

Prior to 9 weeks after LMP you need to know exactly what to look for to find the embryo in the pathology tray. After 9 weeks it starts to look like a baby in there.

Abortion is obtainable in CA up to 24 weeks, unless a lethal anomaly is discovered later in pregnancy.

I voted against the prop, as I believe it will lead to increases in back alley illegal abortions, especially in this age group. Abortion MUST remain legal, even though I personally feel that you lose a little piece of you soul after you perform each one.[/quote]

Thanks for the info Navydoc. As I said it was always my understanding that abortions could be performed while the fetus was just a ball of cells. Any idea how long the abortion pill can be used before surgical abortion is needed and what year it came out?

*I love the busses to planned parenthood idea. That would be much safer. But they should have carseats just to make sure.

[fredo4]

[quote=Navydoc]The earliest you can see the embryo with ultrasound is about 4.5 weeks past the last menstrual period, or about 2.5 weeks after conception. A surgical abortion can be performed any time after the embryo can be visualized. Visualization inside the uterus is essential to prevent the attempt to abort an ectopic pregnancy.

Prior to 9 weeks after LMP you need to know exactly what to look for to find the embryo in the pathology tray. After 9 weeks it starts to look like a baby in there.

Abortion is obtainable in CA up to 24 weeks, unless a lethal anomaly is discovered later in pregnancy.

I voted against the prop, as I believe it will lead to increases in back alley illegal abortions, especially in this age group. Abortion MUST remain legal, even though I personally feel that you lose a little piece of you soul after you perform each one.[/quote]

Thanks for the info Navydoc. As I said it was always my understanding that abortions could be performed while the fetus was just a ball of cells. Any idea how long the abortion pill can be used before surgical abortion is needed and what year it came out?

*I love the busses to planned parenthood idea. That would be much safer. But they should have carseats just to make sure.

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