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April 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM #18745April 23, 2011 at 9:50 PM #689960EugeneParticipant
How is this a good read? It’s not a good read, it’s a long line of lies, half-truths, and misrepresentations, all in accordance with the current party line (that Obama is a big spender and he’s to blame for the deficit and the “disappearing dollar”), starting with the part where they call Ryan’s thoroughly-debunked vile fantasy a plan.
I don’t have much interest in pointing out all the lies and half-truths, but I’ll point out just one.
“As a general principle, whatever the tax rates, the Treasury can never take in more than about 19 percent.”
Aside from the obvious question, how could this claim possibly be true in the world where every single developed country except us, with possible exceptions of Canada and Japan, routinely takes in more than 19 percent of GDP (in Germany in 2008, for example, federal receipts were 39% of GDP), last time this government did not have a budget deficit (during Clinton’s second term), Treasury receipts were between 20% and 20.5% of GDP most of the time.
Today it’s 16.5% of GDP. Talk about big government! What happened? Obviously two things: Bush tax cuts and the recession.
And these people ridicule and vilify Obama because he expects the recession to end and he wants to roll back some of the Bush tax cuts.
April 23, 2011 at 9:50 PM #689467EugeneParticipantHow is this a good read? It’s not a good read, it’s a long line of lies, half-truths, and misrepresentations, all in accordance with the current party line (that Obama is a big spender and he’s to blame for the deficit and the “disappearing dollar”), starting with the part where they call Ryan’s thoroughly-debunked vile fantasy a plan.
I don’t have much interest in pointing out all the lies and half-truths, but I’ll point out just one.
“As a general principle, whatever the tax rates, the Treasury can never take in more than about 19 percent.”
Aside from the obvious question, how could this claim possibly be true in the world where every single developed country except us, with possible exceptions of Canada and Japan, routinely takes in more than 19 percent of GDP (in Germany in 2008, for example, federal receipts were 39% of GDP), last time this government did not have a budget deficit (during Clinton’s second term), Treasury receipts were between 20% and 20.5% of GDP most of the time.
Today it’s 16.5% of GDP. Talk about big government! What happened? Obviously two things: Bush tax cuts and the recession.
And these people ridicule and vilify Obama because he expects the recession to end and he wants to roll back some of the Bush tax cuts.
April 23, 2011 at 9:50 PM #689610EugeneParticipantHow is this a good read? It’s not a good read, it’s a long line of lies, half-truths, and misrepresentations, all in accordance with the current party line (that Obama is a big spender and he’s to blame for the deficit and the “disappearing dollar”), starting with the part where they call Ryan’s thoroughly-debunked vile fantasy a plan.
I don’t have much interest in pointing out all the lies and half-truths, but I’ll point out just one.
“As a general principle, whatever the tax rates, the Treasury can never take in more than about 19 percent.”
Aside from the obvious question, how could this claim possibly be true in the world where every single developed country except us, with possible exceptions of Canada and Japan, routinely takes in more than 19 percent of GDP (in Germany in 2008, for example, federal receipts were 39% of GDP), last time this government did not have a budget deficit (during Clinton’s second term), Treasury receipts were between 20% and 20.5% of GDP most of the time.
Today it’s 16.5% of GDP. Talk about big government! What happened? Obviously two things: Bush tax cuts and the recession.
And these people ridicule and vilify Obama because he expects the recession to end and he wants to roll back some of the Bush tax cuts.
April 23, 2011 at 9:50 PM #688851EugeneParticipantHow is this a good read? It’s not a good read, it’s a long line of lies, half-truths, and misrepresentations, all in accordance with the current party line (that Obama is a big spender and he’s to blame for the deficit and the “disappearing dollar”), starting with the part where they call Ryan’s thoroughly-debunked vile fantasy a plan.
I don’t have much interest in pointing out all the lies and half-truths, but I’ll point out just one.
“As a general principle, whatever the tax rates, the Treasury can never take in more than about 19 percent.”
Aside from the obvious question, how could this claim possibly be true in the world where every single developed country except us, with possible exceptions of Canada and Japan, routinely takes in more than 19 percent of GDP (in Germany in 2008, for example, federal receipts were 39% of GDP), last time this government did not have a budget deficit (during Clinton’s second term), Treasury receipts were between 20% and 20.5% of GDP most of the time.
Today it’s 16.5% of GDP. Talk about big government! What happened? Obviously two things: Bush tax cuts and the recession.
And these people ridicule and vilify Obama because he expects the recession to end and he wants to roll back some of the Bush tax cuts.
April 23, 2011 at 9:50 PM #688787EugeneParticipantHow is this a good read? It’s not a good read, it’s a long line of lies, half-truths, and misrepresentations, all in accordance with the current party line (that Obama is a big spender and he’s to blame for the deficit and the “disappearing dollar”), starting with the part where they call Ryan’s thoroughly-debunked vile fantasy a plan.
I don’t have much interest in pointing out all the lies and half-truths, but I’ll point out just one.
“As a general principle, whatever the tax rates, the Treasury can never take in more than about 19 percent.”
Aside from the obvious question, how could this claim possibly be true in the world where every single developed country except us, with possible exceptions of Canada and Japan, routinely takes in more than 19 percent of GDP (in Germany in 2008, for example, federal receipts were 39% of GDP), last time this government did not have a budget deficit (during Clinton’s second term), Treasury receipts were between 20% and 20.5% of GDP most of the time.
Today it’s 16.5% of GDP. Talk about big government! What happened? Obviously two things: Bush tax cuts and the recession.
And these people ridicule and vilify Obama because he expects the recession to end and he wants to roll back some of the Bush tax cuts.
April 24, 2011 at 12:23 AM #688891paramountParticipant[quote=Eugene]
And these people ridicule and vilify Obama because he expects the recession to end and he wants to roll back some of the Bush tax cuts.[/quote]
You meant to say wealth redistribution, right?
April 24, 2011 at 12:23 AM #690000paramountParticipant[quote=Eugene]
And these people ridicule and vilify Obama because he expects the recession to end and he wants to roll back some of the Bush tax cuts.[/quote]
You meant to say wealth redistribution, right?
April 24, 2011 at 12:23 AM #689506paramountParticipant[quote=Eugene]
And these people ridicule and vilify Obama because he expects the recession to end and he wants to roll back some of the Bush tax cuts.[/quote]
You meant to say wealth redistribution, right?
April 24, 2011 at 12:23 AM #688827paramountParticipant[quote=Eugene]
And these people ridicule and vilify Obama because he expects the recession to end and he wants to roll back some of the Bush tax cuts.[/quote]
You meant to say wealth redistribution, right?
April 24, 2011 at 12:23 AM #689650paramountParticipant[quote=Eugene]
And these people ridicule and vilify Obama because he expects the recession to end and he wants to roll back some of the Bush tax cuts.[/quote]
You meant to say wealth redistribution, right?
April 24, 2011 at 7:56 AM #690005moneymakerParticipantDidn’t read the original post-sorry! But in yesterday’s paper it showed the deficit for the last 40 years and the only time it wasn’t skyrocketing was during Clinton’s reign. Now was that the GOP congress or was it Clinton, sure that could be debated. Had Obama carried through on his promise to end the war (war’s?) in the middle east I’m sure his watch would not look as bad as it does. Unfortunately he did not. So now we as a country will have to pay for not only Bush’s mistakes but also Obama’s. Because of outsourcing,overseas production of goods, and foreign wars I for one do not see the light at the end of the tunnel, hopefully I am just blind.
April 24, 2011 at 7:56 AM #688896moneymakerParticipantDidn’t read the original post-sorry! But in yesterday’s paper it showed the deficit for the last 40 years and the only time it wasn’t skyrocketing was during Clinton’s reign. Now was that the GOP congress or was it Clinton, sure that could be debated. Had Obama carried through on his promise to end the war (war’s?) in the middle east I’m sure his watch would not look as bad as it does. Unfortunately he did not. So now we as a country will have to pay for not only Bush’s mistakes but also Obama’s. Because of outsourcing,overseas production of goods, and foreign wars I for one do not see the light at the end of the tunnel, hopefully I am just blind.
April 24, 2011 at 7:56 AM #689511moneymakerParticipantDidn’t read the original post-sorry! But in yesterday’s paper it showed the deficit for the last 40 years and the only time it wasn’t skyrocketing was during Clinton’s reign. Now was that the GOP congress or was it Clinton, sure that could be debated. Had Obama carried through on his promise to end the war (war’s?) in the middle east I’m sure his watch would not look as bad as it does. Unfortunately he did not. So now we as a country will have to pay for not only Bush’s mistakes but also Obama’s. Because of outsourcing,overseas production of goods, and foreign wars I for one do not see the light at the end of the tunnel, hopefully I am just blind.
April 24, 2011 at 7:56 AM #688832moneymakerParticipantDidn’t read the original post-sorry! But in yesterday’s paper it showed the deficit for the last 40 years and the only time it wasn’t skyrocketing was during Clinton’s reign. Now was that the GOP congress or was it Clinton, sure that could be debated. Had Obama carried through on his promise to end the war (war’s?) in the middle east I’m sure his watch would not look as bad as it does. Unfortunately he did not. So now we as a country will have to pay for not only Bush’s mistakes but also Obama’s. Because of outsourcing,overseas production of goods, and foreign wars I for one do not see the light at the end of the tunnel, hopefully I am just blind.
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