OT: Public pay & benefits

[jficquette]

[quote=CA renter][quote=jficquette][quote=CA renter]1. They aren’t “personal errands,” no matter how many times you try to repeat it.

2. They are usually coming from a call or training exercise when they stop by the store, so they are not wasting any money.[/quote]

Are there rules about where about where they can take the vehicles on non fire fighting trips?

Are trips logged to show where when and why the vehicle was taken out of the station or from point to point?

I have never seen them fill up with fuel. Do firehouses have fuel pumps or do they go to a gas station?

Just curious on how it all works since we are on the subject.

John[/quote]

1. Yes, there are very strict rules about where they can go and what they can do. One thing they absolutely cannot do is run “personal errands.”

2. Yes, the engines/trucks can be tracked. They are equipped with GPS systems (the ones I’m aware, of but some others might not be).

3. Most fire departments have their own fuel supply.[/quote]

Ok so they are not accountable for where they go since they don’t log it.

CAR, you will never convince me that going to get food is not “personal business”. It is for any private employer but the government has its own standards I see. Translated into “we can do no wrong”

John

[teaboy]

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/government/thehall/article_9617e4b6-d73a-11df-b0d7-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=story

City Councilman Carl DeMaio, one of Prop. D’s main antagonists, unveiled a report showing nearly all city firefighters receive extra pay above their salaries for having emergency medical certifications. Firefighters now have such certifications just to get their jobs, and virtually all firefighters hold them.

Why, DeMaio asked, should firefighters receive more money just for doing their jobs?

“This would be like opening up the newspaper or going on Craigslist for a help-wanted ad and it says law firm seeks lawyer,” DeMaio said. “Attractive compensation package. And if you have a law degree a bonus is provided.”

The extra pay cost the city $5.4 million this year. DeMaio argued it should be eliminated, or at the least subsidize firefighter overtime costs so the city can restore some rotating fire engine closures, known as brownouts. Since the $11.5 million saved annually by closing engines comes from reducing firefighter overtime, money to restore the engines would go directly to firefighters.

But DeMaio went further than that. He called the practice “a hidden bonus” and a “dubious, unjustified payment.”

Cutting the extra payment would be equivalent to giving firefighters an 8.5 percent pay cut.

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..I pity the fool politician who tries to argue against any public department or union about their benefits. Maybe we should put something like this as a ballot proposition and let the public decide.

tb

[teaboy]

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/government/thehall/article_9617e4b6-d73a-11df-b0d7-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=story

City Councilman Carl DeMaio, one of Prop. D’s main antagonists, unveiled a report showing nearly all city firefighters receive extra pay above their salaries for having emergency medical certifications. Firefighters now have such certifications just to get their jobs, and virtually all firefighters hold them.

Why, DeMaio asked, should firefighters receive more money just for doing their jobs?

“This would be like opening up the newspaper or going on Craigslist for a help-wanted ad and it says law firm seeks lawyer,” DeMaio said. “Attractive compensation package. And if you have a law degree a bonus is provided.”

The extra pay cost the city $5.4 million this year. DeMaio argued it should be eliminated, or at the least subsidize firefighter overtime costs so the city can restore some rotating fire engine closures, known as brownouts. Since the $11.5 million saved annually by closing engines comes from reducing firefighter overtime, money to restore the engines would go directly to firefighters.

But DeMaio went further than that. He called the practice “a hidden bonus” and a “dubious, unjustified payment.”

Cutting the extra payment would be equivalent to giving firefighters an 8.5 percent pay cut.

_________________

..I pity the fool politician who tries to argue against any public department or union about their benefits. Maybe we should put something like this as a ballot proposition and let the public decide.

tb

[teaboy]

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/government/thehall/article_9617e4b6-d73a-11df-b0d7-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=story

City Councilman Carl DeMaio, one of Prop. D’s main antagonists, unveiled a report showing nearly all city firefighters receive extra pay above their salaries for having emergency medical certifications. Firefighters now have such certifications just to get their jobs, and virtually all firefighters hold them.

Why, DeMaio asked, should firefighters receive more money just for doing their jobs?

“This would be like opening up the newspaper or going on Craigslist for a help-wanted ad and it says law firm seeks lawyer,” DeMaio said. “Attractive compensation package. And if you have a law degree a bonus is provided.”

The extra pay cost the city $5.4 million this year. DeMaio argued it should be eliminated, or at the least subsidize firefighter overtime costs so the city can restore some rotating fire engine closures, known as brownouts. Since the $11.5 million saved annually by closing engines comes from reducing firefighter overtime, money to restore the engines would go directly to firefighters.

But DeMaio went further than that. He called the practice “a hidden bonus” and a “dubious, unjustified payment.”

Cutting the extra payment would be equivalent to giving firefighters an 8.5 percent pay cut.

_________________

..I pity the fool politician who tries to argue against any public department or union about their benefits. Maybe we should put something like this as a ballot proposition and let the public decide.

tb

[teaboy]

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/government/thehall/article_9617e4b6-d73a-11df-b0d7-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=story

City Councilman Carl DeMaio, one of Prop. D’s main antagonists, unveiled a report showing nearly all city firefighters receive extra pay above their salaries for having emergency medical certifications. Firefighters now have such certifications just to get their jobs, and virtually all firefighters hold them.

Why, DeMaio asked, should firefighters receive more money just for doing their jobs?

“This would be like opening up the newspaper or going on Craigslist for a help-wanted ad and it says law firm seeks lawyer,” DeMaio said. “Attractive compensation package. And if you have a law degree a bonus is provided.”

The extra pay cost the city $5.4 million this year. DeMaio argued it should be eliminated, or at the least subsidize firefighter overtime costs so the city can restore some rotating fire engine closures, known as brownouts. Since the $11.5 million saved annually by closing engines comes from reducing firefighter overtime, money to restore the engines would go directly to firefighters.

But DeMaio went further than that. He called the practice “a hidden bonus” and a “dubious, unjustified payment.”

Cutting the extra payment would be equivalent to giving firefighters an 8.5 percent pay cut.

_________________

..I pity the fool politician who tries to argue against any public department or union about their benefits. Maybe we should put something like this as a ballot proposition and let the public decide.

tb

[teaboy]

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/government/thehall/article_9617e4b6-d73a-11df-b0d7-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=story

City Councilman Carl DeMaio, one of Prop. D’s main antagonists, unveiled a report showing nearly all city firefighters receive extra pay above their salaries for having emergency medical certifications. Firefighters now have such certifications just to get their jobs, and virtually all firefighters hold them.

Why, DeMaio asked, should firefighters receive more money just for doing their jobs?

“This would be like opening up the newspaper or going on Craigslist for a help-wanted ad and it says law firm seeks lawyer,” DeMaio said. “Attractive compensation package. And if you have a law degree a bonus is provided.”

The extra pay cost the city $5.4 million this year. DeMaio argued it should be eliminated, or at the least subsidize firefighter overtime costs so the city can restore some rotating fire engine closures, known as brownouts. Since the $11.5 million saved annually by closing engines comes from reducing firefighter overtime, money to restore the engines would go directly to firefighters.

But DeMaio went further than that. He called the practice “a hidden bonus” and a “dubious, unjustified payment.”

Cutting the extra payment would be equivalent to giving firefighters an 8.5 percent pay cut.

_________________

..I pity the fool politician who tries to argue against any public department or union about their benefits. Maybe we should put something like this as a ballot proposition and let the public decide.

tb

[sdrealtor]

I’ll bet it is just the tip of the iceberg

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I’ll bet it is just the tip of the iceberg

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I’ll bet it is just the tip of the iceberg

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I’ll bet it is just the tip of the iceberg

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I’ll bet it is just the tip of the iceberg

[jpinpb]

I know a family law specialist attorney that b/c of his specialized certification gets more money than the average family law attorney.

Edit: It was negotiated with the firefighters’ union in the 80s when EMT services were added to firefighter duties. The chief said it’s part of their basic pay even though it’s a separate budget line item.

DeMaio is using this for exposure. He is inaccurate and he knows it.

[jpinpb]

I know a family law specialist attorney that b/c of his specialized certification gets more money than the average family law attorney.

Edit: It was negotiated with the firefighters’ union in the 80s when EMT services were added to firefighter duties. The chief said it’s part of their basic pay even though it’s a separate budget line item.

DeMaio is using this for exposure. He is inaccurate and he knows it.

[jpinpb]

I know a family law specialist attorney that b/c of his specialized certification gets more money than the average family law attorney.

Edit: It was negotiated with the firefighters’ union in the 80s when EMT services were added to firefighter duties. The chief said it’s part of their basic pay even though it’s a separate budget line item.

DeMaio is using this for exposure. He is inaccurate and he knows it.

[jpinpb]

I know a family law specialist attorney that b/c of his specialized certification gets more money than the average family law attorney.

Edit: It was negotiated with the firefighters’ union in the 80s when EMT services were added to firefighter duties. The chief said it’s part of their basic pay even though it’s a separate budget line item.

DeMaio is using this for exposure. He is inaccurate and he knows it.

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