OT Pickens Plan

[an]

[quote=Portlock]I think AN’s comment about windmills affecting the global climate is, in part, a spiteful complaint and attempt at a similar comparison to the cry of environmentalists over the greenhouse effect, but from a fossil fuel advocate’s POV. Am I way off AN?[/quote]
Did you even read my whole post? I did say it’s a step in the right direction. I just think solar is better, but more expensive. Can you picture when solar get efficient enough that every household will be able to get enough power to run their house and their cars. You would not need any new land for any new “farms” because every house would be self sustained. Solar energy is already being wasted on the roof of houses and buildings anyways. We can also put solar farms in the desert, where there are very little wild life to start with.

[SD Realtor]

I mostly agree with the posts above, especially the ones about pickens and his buddies just wanting to make alot more money off of “the next major energy source”. It doesn’t matter to me if it is LNG. That is okay. At least we can produce it domestically. Absolutely agree that ultra efficient vehicles are the key to taking a big chunk out of the problem.

Companies like AVA Solar are doing well in advancing the technology.

Also pickens page does provide an interesting forum with people who have alot of experience with solar and wind power.

This is the point I was trying to make… 30 years ago we could have started this initiative and now we would not be in the mess we are in. The problem is that the private sector didn’t care because it was not cost effective for them. Similarly the government had no interest because they didn’t have to care. Now we are in an intractable mess so it is now cost efficient for those who have all the money to build up the new platform, (whatever it may be).

Whatever way we get there, whether we use an LNG bridge for LNG vehicles, solar, wind, whatever… it is going to be provided by big oil with more then likely taxpayer money.

Which at this point is fine with me.

[SD Realtor]

I mostly agree with the posts above, especially the ones about pickens and his buddies just wanting to make alot more money off of “the next major energy source”. It doesn’t matter to me if it is LNG. That is okay. At least we can produce it domestically. Absolutely agree that ultra efficient vehicles are the key to taking a big chunk out of the problem.

Companies like AVA Solar are doing well in advancing the technology.

Also pickens page does provide an interesting forum with people who have alot of experience with solar and wind power.

This is the point I was trying to make… 30 years ago we could have started this initiative and now we would not be in the mess we are in. The problem is that the private sector didn’t care because it was not cost effective for them. Similarly the government had no interest because they didn’t have to care. Now we are in an intractable mess so it is now cost efficient for those who have all the money to build up the new platform, (whatever it may be).

Whatever way we get there, whether we use an LNG bridge for LNG vehicles, solar, wind, whatever… it is going to be provided by big oil with more then likely taxpayer money.

Which at this point is fine with me.

[SD Realtor]

I mostly agree with the posts above, especially the ones about pickens and his buddies just wanting to make alot more money off of “the next major energy source”. It doesn’t matter to me if it is LNG. That is okay. At least we can produce it domestically. Absolutely agree that ultra efficient vehicles are the key to taking a big chunk out of the problem.

Companies like AVA Solar are doing well in advancing the technology.

Also pickens page does provide an interesting forum with people who have alot of experience with solar and wind power.

This is the point I was trying to make… 30 years ago we could have started this initiative and now we would not be in the mess we are in. The problem is that the private sector didn’t care because it was not cost effective for them. Similarly the government had no interest because they didn’t have to care. Now we are in an intractable mess so it is now cost efficient for those who have all the money to build up the new platform, (whatever it may be).

Whatever way we get there, whether we use an LNG bridge for LNG vehicles, solar, wind, whatever… it is going to be provided by big oil with more then likely taxpayer money.

Which at this point is fine with me.

[SD Realtor]

I mostly agree with the posts above, especially the ones about pickens and his buddies just wanting to make alot more money off of “the next major energy source”. It doesn’t matter to me if it is LNG. That is okay. At least we can produce it domestically. Absolutely agree that ultra efficient vehicles are the key to taking a big chunk out of the problem.

Companies like AVA Solar are doing well in advancing the technology.

Also pickens page does provide an interesting forum with people who have alot of experience with solar and wind power.

This is the point I was trying to make… 30 years ago we could have started this initiative and now we would not be in the mess we are in. The problem is that the private sector didn’t care because it was not cost effective for them. Similarly the government had no interest because they didn’t have to care. Now we are in an intractable mess so it is now cost efficient for those who have all the money to build up the new platform, (whatever it may be).

Whatever way we get there, whether we use an LNG bridge for LNG vehicles, solar, wind, whatever… it is going to be provided by big oil with more then likely taxpayer money.

Which at this point is fine with me.

[SD Realtor]

I mostly agree with the posts above, especially the ones about pickens and his buddies just wanting to make alot more money off of “the next major energy source”. It doesn’t matter to me if it is LNG. That is okay. At least we can produce it domestically. Absolutely agree that ultra efficient vehicles are the key to taking a big chunk out of the problem.

Companies like AVA Solar are doing well in advancing the technology.

Also pickens page does provide an interesting forum with people who have alot of experience with solar and wind power.

This is the point I was trying to make… 30 years ago we could have started this initiative and now we would not be in the mess we are in. The problem is that the private sector didn’t care because it was not cost effective for them. Similarly the government had no interest because they didn’t have to care. Now we are in an intractable mess so it is now cost efficient for those who have all the money to build up the new platform, (whatever it may be).

Whatever way we get there, whether we use an LNG bridge for LNG vehicles, solar, wind, whatever… it is going to be provided by big oil with more then likely taxpayer money.

Which at this point is fine with me.

[temeculaguy]

TheBreeze is spot on, vehicle technology and true plun in vehicles is where the next big move will be. Speedingpullet is also correct and it’s the combination that will solve the problem, not one thing alone. Both your posts reflected exactly how I think. AN, solar technology is advancing to solve the cost issue, in leaps and bounds. Residential solar is moving towards clear, spray on solar generation that is cheap, is not something bulky and heavy on the roof and cannot be seen (think thompsons water seal that generates electricity). Same tech can be mixed into vehicle paint, that is where I see it heading. It will be exciting over the next ten years to see who wins the “space race” of our time but the good thing is, at least the race is finally on.

SD, I’m with you, we aren’t environmentalists, we are economics geeks and we are spending our time learning about alternative fuels, that is indicative of the current change in attitude in this country.

[temeculaguy]

TheBreeze is spot on, vehicle technology and true plun in vehicles is where the next big move will be. Speedingpullet is also correct and it’s the combination that will solve the problem, not one thing alone. Both your posts reflected exactly how I think. AN, solar technology is advancing to solve the cost issue, in leaps and bounds. Residential solar is moving towards clear, spray on solar generation that is cheap, is not something bulky and heavy on the roof and cannot be seen (think thompsons water seal that generates electricity). Same tech can be mixed into vehicle paint, that is where I see it heading. It will be exciting over the next ten years to see who wins the “space race” of our time but the good thing is, at least the race is finally on.

SD, I’m with you, we aren’t environmentalists, we are economics geeks and we are spending our time learning about alternative fuels, that is indicative of the current change in attitude in this country.

[temeculaguy]

TheBreeze is spot on, vehicle technology and true plun in vehicles is where the next big move will be. Speedingpullet is also correct and it’s the combination that will solve the problem, not one thing alone. Both your posts reflected exactly how I think. AN, solar technology is advancing to solve the cost issue, in leaps and bounds. Residential solar is moving towards clear, spray on solar generation that is cheap, is not something bulky and heavy on the roof and cannot be seen (think thompsons water seal that generates electricity). Same tech can be mixed into vehicle paint, that is where I see it heading. It will be exciting over the next ten years to see who wins the “space race” of our time but the good thing is, at least the race is finally on.

SD, I’m with you, we aren’t environmentalists, we are economics geeks and we are spending our time learning about alternative fuels, that is indicative of the current change in attitude in this country.

[temeculaguy]

TheBreeze is spot on, vehicle technology and true plun in vehicles is where the next big move will be. Speedingpullet is also correct and it’s the combination that will solve the problem, not one thing alone. Both your posts reflected exactly how I think. AN, solar technology is advancing to solve the cost issue, in leaps and bounds. Residential solar is moving towards clear, spray on solar generation that is cheap, is not something bulky and heavy on the roof and cannot be seen (think thompsons water seal that generates electricity). Same tech can be mixed into vehicle paint, that is where I see it heading. It will be exciting over the next ten years to see who wins the “space race” of our time but the good thing is, at least the race is finally on.

SD, I’m with you, we aren’t environmentalists, we are economics geeks and we are spending our time learning about alternative fuels, that is indicative of the current change in attitude in this country.

[temeculaguy]

TheBreeze is spot on, vehicle technology and true plun in vehicles is where the next big move will be. Speedingpullet is also correct and it’s the combination that will solve the problem, not one thing alone. Both your posts reflected exactly how I think. AN, solar technology is advancing to solve the cost issue, in leaps and bounds. Residential solar is moving towards clear, spray on solar generation that is cheap, is not something bulky and heavy on the roof and cannot be seen (think thompsons water seal that generates electricity). Same tech can be mixed into vehicle paint, that is where I see it heading. It will be exciting over the next ten years to see who wins the “space race” of our time but the good thing is, at least the race is finally on.

SD, I’m with you, we aren’t environmentalists, we are economics geeks and we are spending our time learning about alternative fuels, that is indicative of the current change in attitude in this country.

[Bubblesitter]

T Boone Picken’s plan definitely has some merit.
Although converting to natural gas autos is problematic from infrastructure and car technology standpoint, and it will take longer than 10 years to just get the infrastructure up.

I personnally have chosen to live near commuter rail an have a very fuel efficient family car.

Household Solar power with Net metering and a plug-in hybrid looks very intriguing to me. Upfront expense is high, but with enough incentives such as tax credits, it becomes economical with payback period of maybe 5-8 years, depending on size, orientation of solar array, etc.

With net metering, during the day your meter essentially runs backwards. You are feeding excess energy into the grid and SDG&E is crediting your account. At night, you are charging up your battery. In California, the best you can do is zero our your monthly electrical bill. In some states, you can actually get positive credit at end of month.

You’ve essentially become a micro power company. With new utility variable rates, that charge higher rates during peak usages times, you do even better. Generating/selling back to utility at higher rate during day and consuming at high while you charge your car.

I have been on the hunt for investments in alternative energy companes, especially ones with defensible intellectual property. All it takes is a breakthrough in semiconductor solar cell energy efficiency and the cost of Solar drops, perhaps on par with Coal. Famed venture capitalist Vinod Khoshla has a whole fund focused on alternative energy.

I think T Boone has got to throw Solar into the mix, althought it is more of a regional play for the Southwest US.

Bubblesitter

[Bubblesitter]

T Boone Picken’s plan definitely has some merit.
Although converting to natural gas autos is problematic from infrastructure and car technology standpoint, and it will take longer than 10 years to just get the infrastructure up.

I personnally have chosen to live near commuter rail an have a very fuel efficient family car.

Household Solar power with Net metering and a plug-in hybrid looks very intriguing to me. Upfront expense is high, but with enough incentives such as tax credits, it becomes economical with payback period of maybe 5-8 years, depending on size, orientation of solar array, etc.

With net metering, during the day your meter essentially runs backwards. You are feeding excess energy into the grid and SDG&E is crediting your account. At night, you are charging up your battery. In California, the best you can do is zero our your monthly electrical bill. In some states, you can actually get positive credit at end of month.

You’ve essentially become a micro power company. With new utility variable rates, that charge higher rates during peak usages times, you do even better. Generating/selling back to utility at higher rate during day and consuming at high while you charge your car.

I have been on the hunt for investments in alternative energy companes, especially ones with defensible intellectual property. All it takes is a breakthrough in semiconductor solar cell energy efficiency and the cost of Solar drops, perhaps on par with Coal. Famed venture capitalist Vinod Khoshla has a whole fund focused on alternative energy.

I think T Boone has got to throw Solar into the mix, althought it is more of a regional play for the Southwest US.

Bubblesitter

[Bubblesitter]

T Boone Picken’s plan definitely has some merit.
Although converting to natural gas autos is problematic from infrastructure and car technology standpoint, and it will take longer than 10 years to just get the infrastructure up.

I personnally have chosen to live near commuter rail an have a very fuel efficient family car.

Household Solar power with Net metering and a plug-in hybrid looks very intriguing to me. Upfront expense is high, but with enough incentives such as tax credits, it becomes economical with payback period of maybe 5-8 years, depending on size, orientation of solar array, etc.

With net metering, during the day your meter essentially runs backwards. You are feeding excess energy into the grid and SDG&E is crediting your account. At night, you are charging up your battery. In California, the best you can do is zero our your monthly electrical bill. In some states, you can actually get positive credit at end of month.

You’ve essentially become a micro power company. With new utility variable rates, that charge higher rates during peak usages times, you do even better. Generating/selling back to utility at higher rate during day and consuming at high while you charge your car.

I have been on the hunt for investments in alternative energy companes, especially ones with defensible intellectual property. All it takes is a breakthrough in semiconductor solar cell energy efficiency and the cost of Solar drops, perhaps on par with Coal. Famed venture capitalist Vinod Khoshla has a whole fund focused on alternative energy.

I think T Boone has got to throw Solar into the mix, althought it is more of a regional play for the Southwest US.

Bubblesitter

[Bubblesitter]

T Boone Picken’s plan definitely has some merit.
Although converting to natural gas autos is problematic from infrastructure and car technology standpoint, and it will take longer than 10 years to just get the infrastructure up.

I personnally have chosen to live near commuter rail an have a very fuel efficient family car.

Household Solar power with Net metering and a plug-in hybrid looks very intriguing to me. Upfront expense is high, but with enough incentives such as tax credits, it becomes economical with payback period of maybe 5-8 years, depending on size, orientation of solar array, etc.

With net metering, during the day your meter essentially runs backwards. You are feeding excess energy into the grid and SDG&E is crediting your account. At night, you are charging up your battery. In California, the best you can do is zero our your monthly electrical bill. In some states, you can actually get positive credit at end of month.

You’ve essentially become a micro power company. With new utility variable rates, that charge higher rates during peak usages times, you do even better. Generating/selling back to utility at higher rate during day and consuming at high while you charge your car.

I have been on the hunt for investments in alternative energy companes, especially ones with defensible intellectual property. All it takes is a breakthrough in semiconductor solar cell energy efficiency and the cost of Solar drops, perhaps on par with Coal. Famed venture capitalist Vinod Khoshla has a whole fund focused on alternative energy.

I think T Boone has got to throw Solar into the mix, althought it is more of a regional play for the Southwest US.

Bubblesitter

[Author]

Posts