ot. the other perspective

[scaredyclassic]

my wife said something that resonated with me all day:

“i guess this is how all the republicans felt when obama got elected”.

helps me understand. i feel nervous, not particularly trusting, feel like its just not quite safe and right. like antiobama people felt. i can empathize with them more

[njtosd]

I don’t think it’s the same – there weren’t protests like those that are happening tonight. I think Hillary’s vocal supporters thought they were too smart to lose. Their sense of self has been jarred. I find the protests interesting. What are people protesting? Are they saying the election was unfair? They’re not really protesting, actually, I think it’s just group griping.

[FlyerInHi]

I don’t think they are Hillary voters protesting. They are anti trump folks who didn’t vote

[Anonymous]

Trump is pretty unique as president. He’ll be the first president to never have any government or military experience.

Obama was an established politician from a major party. Historically speaking, there wasn’t much about him that was dramatically different from many other presidents. Except of course he was a Kenyan and a Muslim.

But what has people nervous is that Trump has actually said he’d do some pretty outrageous things. He seems to have no regard for the rules. His “first 100 days in office” plan is essentially claiming he’s some kind of superhero.

[millennial]

That’s funny. I said the same exact thing. They must have been freaked out with a black president named Obama.

[njtosd]

[quote=millennial]That’s funny. I said the same exact thing. They must have been freaked out with a black president named Obama.[/quote]

Being unhappy with an outcome is not the same as being “freaked out”. (This is the first time one of your posts has lived up to your screen name, in my opinion. ) I don’t remember Supreme Court justices threatening to move to New Zealand, or people “protesting” (aka whining) in the streets over the presidential outcome in ’08 or ’12. I think it’s a matter of bruised ego for a lot of the intellectual types.

[millennial]

[quote=njtosd][quote=millennial]That’s funny. I said the same exact thing. They must have been freaked out with a black president named Obama.[/quote]

Being unhappy with an outcome is not the same as being “freaked out”. (This is the first time one of your posts has lived up to your screen name, in my opinion. ) I don’t remember Supreme Court justices threatening to move to New Zealand, or people “protesting” (aka whining) in the streets over the presidential outcome in ’08 or ’12. I think it’s a matter of bruised ego for a lot of the intellectual types.[/quote]
I have no idea what you mean about “living up to my screen name” but I think there are legitimately a lot of people actually freaked out. Maybe not the “intellectual types” you speak of but when I walk into my office and see reactions of Mexican American coworkers they are actually scared of the outcome of this election. This is real to them, maybe you wouldn’t consider them as the intellectual type but they are “freaked out”. Or how do I respond to Muslim Americans who are worried about getting deported based on their religion? Tell me how do I respond to them? Maybe for intellectual types like you and bearish girl this is a game, but for many Americans who this may affect this actually may mean something.

For intellectuals like my friends and I we are also freaked out to the point where it’s hard to sleep at night. The ability for him to control not only the executive and legislative branches but also the judicial is a big deal and based on what he has said you should definitely be scared.

[an]

[quote=millennial]Tell me how do I respond to them?[/quote]
Tell them to take a deep breath and come back to you in a year. I didn’t vote for the guy, don’t even like the guy, but there’s no point is letting the media get you all worked up. The world is not going to end. Put trust in the system and decency of everyday American people. Don’t let the fear mongering of the media and the political class divide us.

[an]

[quote=millennial]For intellectuals like my friends and I we are also freaked out to the point where it’s hard to sleep at night. The ability for him to control not only the executive and legislative branches but also the judicial is a big deal and based on what he has said you should definitely be scared.[/quote]Take a deep breath. It’ll all be OK. You’re more likely to be killed by a car crash than the thing you’re fearing coming true. Democrats controlled 2 out of the 3 and got everything Obama wanted for 2 years. The Republican were saying to world will end too 8 years ago. Yet, here we are, we’re still OK.

[Coronita]

There’s nothing to protest. People voted. For some of us, our choice didn’t win, based on our country’s system (ok, arguably this wasn’t a majority win, but rather a electorate win), but it’s still our democratic system. Maybe we should rally to try to get rid of the electoral college. Meanwhile, wait another 2 years for the mid-term. Maybe people won’t take their voting rights so lightly next time. Move on.

The political parties have both contributed to our constant left and right wild swings. Because our country, as a whole, has become less tolerant of compromising, we are left with the bizzaro scenario in which political winds change drastically one way and then the other. We can try to figure out who started it, but at this point, does it really matter? It’s like having two kids that were horseplaying and broke your favorite lamp, and the two kids both pointing fingers at each other saying they other one did it. You don’t really care who started it, and you end up grounding both kids because both of them contributed to your now broken lamp.

Ironically, if Bernie had been the nominee, he probably would have beaten Trump. I don’t think most of the solid blue and blue leaning states would have changed their vote had it been Bernie. I believe in most of the swing states that Hillary lost, Bernie beat both Hillary AND Trump. So, I’d say, part of the blame of what how we got to where we are here is also because of the DNC. I’m not sure how I would have felt about Bernie versus Trump, frankly…

Frankly, I’m sick of it. At this point, I want Trump to restore some jobs/economy/sanity to middle america, despite how despicable a few of his supporters (and emphasis here is some, not all) are. And I’m willing to give him a chance to do this. Frankly, we don’t have a choice anyway. I hope the insane things he have said was more of a theatrical performance. I hope over the course of the past year, he acknowledges how horribly he as treated women in the past, and while because of his personality will never publicly apologize, I’d like to see, through his actions, to amend for his previous deeds. I’d also like to see that now that he has won, we don’t waste any more ridiculous time about talking about “locking Hillary up”…(Personally if I were Obama, since his legacy is pretty much being undone, he might as well give the finger and just give Hillary a pardon…So at least we can stop wasting time on this thing). One thing I do agree with Trump is Congress should be term limited.

If middle america isn’t happy, this nation will never be happy, and they will always have a voice, and this constant polarization will continue, and probably grow worse and worse. If middle america has a better financial future, there’s a bigger chance they can care less of everything else that goes on that is insane from the right..And they’ll leave me alone…

Sometimes you just have to give a little in order to gain a lot back in the long run…Well, at least that’s what I’m trying to tell myself. Lol…Meanwhile, I think I’m going to restrict travel in the U.S. to just the west coast. Don’t want to get deported ….Lol….

[Coronita]

If I were to put on a conspiracy theorist hat, I would say that the Russians hacked into the voting systems of some swing states, and fabricated the vote count enough to swing the electoral votes toward trump to undermine our democratic system.

And then with trump at the helm for 4 years, people would hate so much that he was elected, that the US would abandon democracy and a military coup would oust the president.

It would make a good Oliver Stone movie, don’t you think?

[Anonymous]

[quote=AN]I didn’t vote for the guy, don’t even like the guy, but there’s no point is letting the media get you all worked up.[/quote]

The media? People are responding to Trumps own words, spoken and written. His actual platform.

It’s right there on his website, no media filter is involved.

Nobody is saying “the world will end” – that’s your words and your strawman. I am saying that many Americans will lose civil liberties and economic opportunities because of their race and/or religion.

[quote]Put trust in the system and decency of everyday American people.[/quote]

I agree with the sentiment but if you didn’t notice, that approach failed spectacularly on Tuesday.

[quote]Don’t let the fear mongering of the media and the political class divide us.[/quote]

LOL, “the political class” – now there’s irony. The term the “political class” was created by the media. It’s propaganda and you are obviously falling for it.

What Trump wants to do is right there in his platform. Did you ever read it, or did you just get the summary from “the media.”

[Coronita]

[quote=harvey][quote=AN]I didn’t vote for the guy, don’t even like the guy, but there’s no point is letting the media get you all worked up.[/quote]

The media? People are responding to Trumps own words, spoken and written. His actual platform.

It’s right there on his website, no media filter is involved.

Nobody is saying “the world will end” – that’s your words and your strawman. I am saying that many Americans will lose civil liberties and economic opportunities because of their race and/or religion.

[quote]Put trust in the system and decency of everyday American people.[/quote]

I agree with the sentiment but if you didn’t notice, that approach failed spectacularly on Tuesday.

[quote]Don’t let the fear mongering of the media and the political class divide us.[/quote]

LOL, “the political class” – now there’s irony. The term the “political class” was created by the media. It’s propaganda and you are obviously falling for it.

What Trump wants to do is right there in his platform. Did you ever read it, or did you just get the summary from “the media.”[/quote]

So what’s the solution? Disenfranchise people? The people voted for this.
A lot of people. This is what a lot of people wanted. Even if it isn’t a clear majority, it’s enough in this country to consider it to be so. This is how are system works, even if the outcome is distasteful.

Non-democratic foreign countries are probably laughing their asses off about this. Because here we are trying to teach democracy to foreign countries, here our democracy puts a character in office that people don’t like. Now what?

Did you read what ISIS is saying? They are happy with Trump because they think Trump with throw this country into civil unrest (they said civil war)..

We have to accept the result, as distasteful as it may be. Short of some external factor, like the Russians tampering with votes which didn’t happen….Challenging it would be like challenge the fundamental system we have. Our system is good in that it resets every 4 years or 8 years if things get bad.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=flu]If I were to put on a conspiracy theorist hat, I would say that the Russians hacked into the voting systems of some swing states, and fabricated the vote count enough to swing the electoral votes toward trump to undermine our democratic system.

And then with trump at the helm for 4 years, people would hate so much that he was elected, that the US would abandon democracy and a military coup would oust the president.

It would make a good Oliver Stone movie, don’t you think?[/quote]

Wikileaks. Like it or not, Russia was able to sway election. I don’t blame them. We messed with enough countries in the past.

[FlyerInHi]

Flu, yes it mattters who starred it. Democrats have moved to the center since Bill Clinton. Republicans have move way right.

And how do you think Trunp will make middle America better economically? You’re not talking handouts and government spending on them, I hope.

The solution is to be richer and more successful than them on the coasts and make them see that their lifestyles are wrong. They need to see the truth so they get off their fat asses and pull themselves up by the booststraps. That is the conservative, tough love way of dealing with struggling people.

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