OT- More Government Control

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=CBad]

Seriously?!?! I’m sorry, I find that creepy and odd. I just had a conversation with my extremely liberal neighbor regarding the health care bill this evening and I guess he’s supposed to provide a written transcript of our “casual conversation” and email it to the white house now.[/quote]

Your point is fair.

I see lots of completely bs stuff in blogs and tv and I understand the administrations desire to respond.

However, yeah, asking the public to report to the home office is not something that engenders support or sympathy. It makes the critics sound more accurate.

Healthcare Uber Alles

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=sdgrrl]Zeitgeist,

Have you visited Buchenwald or Auschwitz? Seriously? Have you ever spoken to a concentration camp survivor? Have you ever spoken to a Cambodian who fled here during the purge, or any other person who has lived through a governmental massacre? I guarantee you that any one of those people would have given their left leg to live in America, right now at this very moment than live through the stomach churning, mind breaking carnage they witnessed.

Are you seriously putting Obama who will be out of office as a guarantee in at least 7 years in the same field as a man who systematically tried to erase an entire ethnic group or groups?

I know this is pretty pointless, because nothing will change your mind. Keep it up Zeitgeist you only help the other, because you show the absolute ridiculousness of the far fringe right. Your words will only ease the minds that think like you and keep those who differ even farther away.[/quote]

Sdgrrl: Before consigning Zeit to the rubbish heap of history, I would suggest you do a little research on how the US Government has been systemically chewing into our civil liberties over the last 30+ years, starting with FISA in 1978.

It has been a bi-partisan effort, including Clinton (NSA Carnivore/Echelon programs, rendition, expansion of domestic surveillance programs) and, obviously, Bush (Patriot Acts I and II, warrantless wiretapping, extraordinary rendition). Just for shits and giggles, research how many cameras there are in New York City monitoring your movements.

This isn’t paranoia or the “Loony Left” or a “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy”. Most of this has been done in the guise of protecting Americans, but the reality is an ever more intrusive government with ever expanding powers and the ability to oversee nearly all aspects of our lives, including access to health and financial records.

I don’t think the jump to Nazism is quite as big as you imagine, unfortunately. As Sinclair Lewis said in his 1935 novel “It Can’t Happen Here”: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”.

Obama has invoked Jesus far more than Bush. True story, look it up.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=sdgrrl]Zeitgeist,

Have you visited Buchenwald or Auschwitz? Seriously? Have you ever spoken to a concentration camp survivor? Have you ever spoken to a Cambodian who fled here during the purge, or any other person who has lived through a governmental massacre? I guarantee you that any one of those people would have given their left leg to live in America, right now at this very moment than live through the stomach churning, mind breaking carnage they witnessed.

Are you seriously putting Obama who will be out of office as a guarantee in at least 7 years in the same field as a man who systematically tried to erase an entire ethnic group or groups?

I know this is pretty pointless, because nothing will change your mind. Keep it up Zeitgeist you only help the other, because you show the absolute ridiculousness of the far fringe right. Your words will only ease the minds that think like you and keep those who differ even farther away.[/quote]

Sdgrrl: Before consigning Zeit to the rubbish heap of history, I would suggest you do a little research on how the US Government has been systemically chewing into our civil liberties over the last 30+ years, starting with FISA in 1978.

It has been a bi-partisan effort, including Clinton (NSA Carnivore/Echelon programs, rendition, expansion of domestic surveillance programs) and, obviously, Bush (Patriot Acts I and II, warrantless wiretapping, extraordinary rendition). Just for shits and giggles, research how many cameras there are in New York City monitoring your movements.

This isn’t paranoia or the “Loony Left” or a “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy”. Most of this has been done in the guise of protecting Americans, but the reality is an ever more intrusive government with ever expanding powers and the ability to oversee nearly all aspects of our lives, including access to health and financial records.

I don’t think the jump to Nazism is quite as big as you imagine, unfortunately. As Sinclair Lewis said in his 1935 novel “It Can’t Happen Here”: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”.

Obama has invoked Jesus far more than Bush. True story, look it up.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=sdgrrl]Zeitgeist,

Have you visited Buchenwald or Auschwitz? Seriously? Have you ever spoken to a concentration camp survivor? Have you ever spoken to a Cambodian who fled here during the purge, or any other person who has lived through a governmental massacre? I guarantee you that any one of those people would have given their left leg to live in America, right now at this very moment than live through the stomach churning, mind breaking carnage they witnessed.

Are you seriously putting Obama who will be out of office as a guarantee in at least 7 years in the same field as a man who systematically tried to erase an entire ethnic group or groups?

I know this is pretty pointless, because nothing will change your mind. Keep it up Zeitgeist you only help the other, because you show the absolute ridiculousness of the far fringe right. Your words will only ease the minds that think like you and keep those who differ even farther away.[/quote]

Sdgrrl: Before consigning Zeit to the rubbish heap of history, I would suggest you do a little research on how the US Government has been systemically chewing into our civil liberties over the last 30+ years, starting with FISA in 1978.

It has been a bi-partisan effort, including Clinton (NSA Carnivore/Echelon programs, rendition, expansion of domestic surveillance programs) and, obviously, Bush (Patriot Acts I and II, warrantless wiretapping, extraordinary rendition). Just for shits and giggles, research how many cameras there are in New York City monitoring your movements.

This isn’t paranoia or the “Loony Left” or a “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy”. Most of this has been done in the guise of protecting Americans, but the reality is an ever more intrusive government with ever expanding powers and the ability to oversee nearly all aspects of our lives, including access to health and financial records.

I don’t think the jump to Nazism is quite as big as you imagine, unfortunately. As Sinclair Lewis said in his 1935 novel “It Can’t Happen Here”: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”.

Obama has invoked Jesus far more than Bush. True story, look it up.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=sdgrrl]Zeitgeist,

Have you visited Buchenwald or Auschwitz? Seriously? Have you ever spoken to a concentration camp survivor? Have you ever spoken to a Cambodian who fled here during the purge, or any other person who has lived through a governmental massacre? I guarantee you that any one of those people would have given their left leg to live in America, right now at this very moment than live through the stomach churning, mind breaking carnage they witnessed.

Are you seriously putting Obama who will be out of office as a guarantee in at least 7 years in the same field as a man who systematically tried to erase an entire ethnic group or groups?

I know this is pretty pointless, because nothing will change your mind. Keep it up Zeitgeist you only help the other, because you show the absolute ridiculousness of the far fringe right. Your words will only ease the minds that think like you and keep those who differ even farther away.[/quote]

Sdgrrl: Before consigning Zeit to the rubbish heap of history, I would suggest you do a little research on how the US Government has been systemically chewing into our civil liberties over the last 30+ years, starting with FISA in 1978.

It has been a bi-partisan effort, including Clinton (NSA Carnivore/Echelon programs, rendition, expansion of domestic surveillance programs) and, obviously, Bush (Patriot Acts I and II, warrantless wiretapping, extraordinary rendition). Just for shits and giggles, research how many cameras there are in New York City monitoring your movements.

This isn’t paranoia or the “Loony Left” or a “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy”. Most of this has been done in the guise of protecting Americans, but the reality is an ever more intrusive government with ever expanding powers and the ability to oversee nearly all aspects of our lives, including access to health and financial records.

I don’t think the jump to Nazism is quite as big as you imagine, unfortunately. As Sinclair Lewis said in his 1935 novel “It Can’t Happen Here”: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”.

Obama has invoked Jesus far more than Bush. True story, look it up.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=sdgrrl]Zeitgeist,

Have you visited Buchenwald or Auschwitz? Seriously? Have you ever spoken to a concentration camp survivor? Have you ever spoken to a Cambodian who fled here during the purge, or any other person who has lived through a governmental massacre? I guarantee you that any one of those people would have given their left leg to live in America, right now at this very moment than live through the stomach churning, mind breaking carnage they witnessed.

Are you seriously putting Obama who will be out of office as a guarantee in at least 7 years in the same field as a man who systematically tried to erase an entire ethnic group or groups?

I know this is pretty pointless, because nothing will change your mind. Keep it up Zeitgeist you only help the other, because you show the absolute ridiculousness of the far fringe right. Your words will only ease the minds that think like you and keep those who differ even farther away.[/quote]

Sdgrrl: Before consigning Zeit to the rubbish heap of history, I would suggest you do a little research on how the US Government has been systemically chewing into our civil liberties over the last 30+ years, starting with FISA in 1978.

It has been a bi-partisan effort, including Clinton (NSA Carnivore/Echelon programs, rendition, expansion of domestic surveillance programs) and, obviously, Bush (Patriot Acts I and II, warrantless wiretapping, extraordinary rendition). Just for shits and giggles, research how many cameras there are in New York City monitoring your movements.

This isn’t paranoia or the “Loony Left” or a “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy”. Most of this has been done in the guise of protecting Americans, but the reality is an ever more intrusive government with ever expanding powers and the ability to oversee nearly all aspects of our lives, including access to health and financial records.

I don’t think the jump to Nazism is quite as big as you imagine, unfortunately. As Sinclair Lewis said in his 1935 novel “It Can’t Happen Here”: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”.

Obama has invoked Jesus far more than Bush. True story, look it up.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I don’t think the jump to Nazism is quite as big as you imagine, unfortunately. As Sinclair Lewis said in his 1935 novel “It Can’t Happen Here”: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”.[/quote]

Yes dude.

Comparing Obama to Hitler is as cliche as it is stupid.

And it is a silly jump.

Granted you have said a few doozies (eg: “Vietnam was a good idea”, “we won Vietnam”, “the Chinese cannot be trusted”) but Obama to Hitler is a new one for you.

As with the other silly remarks, there is a grain of truth in it (he is, by definition, politically ambitious with an active agenda) but this is as inane as it is illustratively useless.

The difference with totalitarian regimes (as opposed to authoritarian, oligarchic, or democratic) is that they legislate what you think. Putting cctv cameras in public places does not even register on my paranoia radar. If you start postponing elections or listening to private conversations between citizens, that is different.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I don’t think the jump to Nazism is quite as big as you imagine, unfortunately. As Sinclair Lewis said in his 1935 novel “It Can’t Happen Here”: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”.[/quote]

Yes dude.

Comparing Obama to Hitler is as cliche as it is stupid.

And it is a silly jump.

Granted you have said a few doozies (eg: “Vietnam was a good idea”, “we won Vietnam”, “the Chinese cannot be trusted”) but Obama to Hitler is a new one for you.

As with the other silly remarks, there is a grain of truth in it (he is, by definition, politically ambitious with an active agenda) but this is as inane as it is illustratively useless.

The difference with totalitarian regimes (as opposed to authoritarian, oligarchic, or democratic) is that they legislate what you think. Putting cctv cameras in public places does not even register on my paranoia radar. If you start postponing elections or listening to private conversations between citizens, that is different.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I don’t think the jump to Nazism is quite as big as you imagine, unfortunately. As Sinclair Lewis said in his 1935 novel “It Can’t Happen Here”: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”.[/quote]

Yes dude.

Comparing Obama to Hitler is as cliche as it is stupid.

And it is a silly jump.

Granted you have said a few doozies (eg: “Vietnam was a good idea”, “we won Vietnam”, “the Chinese cannot be trusted”) but Obama to Hitler is a new one for you.

As with the other silly remarks, there is a grain of truth in it (he is, by definition, politically ambitious with an active agenda) but this is as inane as it is illustratively useless.

The difference with totalitarian regimes (as opposed to authoritarian, oligarchic, or democratic) is that they legislate what you think. Putting cctv cameras in public places does not even register on my paranoia radar. If you start postponing elections or listening to private conversations between citizens, that is different.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I don’t think the jump to Nazism is quite as big as you imagine, unfortunately. As Sinclair Lewis said in his 1935 novel “It Can’t Happen Here”: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”.[/quote]

Yes dude.

Comparing Obama to Hitler is as cliche as it is stupid.

And it is a silly jump.

Granted you have said a few doozies (eg: “Vietnam was a good idea”, “we won Vietnam”, “the Chinese cannot be trusted”) but Obama to Hitler is a new one for you.

As with the other silly remarks, there is a grain of truth in it (he is, by definition, politically ambitious with an active agenda) but this is as inane as it is illustratively useless.

The difference with totalitarian regimes (as opposed to authoritarian, oligarchic, or democratic) is that they legislate what you think. Putting cctv cameras in public places does not even register on my paranoia radar. If you start postponing elections or listening to private conversations between citizens, that is different.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I don’t think the jump to Nazism is quite as big as you imagine, unfortunately. As Sinclair Lewis said in his 1935 novel “It Can’t Happen Here”: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”.[/quote]

Yes dude.

Comparing Obama to Hitler is as cliche as it is stupid.

And it is a silly jump.

Granted you have said a few doozies (eg: “Vietnam was a good idea”, “we won Vietnam”, “the Chinese cannot be trusted”) but Obama to Hitler is a new one for you.

As with the other silly remarks, there is a grain of truth in it (he is, by definition, politically ambitious with an active agenda) but this is as inane as it is illustratively useless.

The difference with totalitarian regimes (as opposed to authoritarian, oligarchic, or democratic) is that they legislate what you think. Putting cctv cameras in public places does not even register on my paranoia radar. If you start postponing elections or listening to private conversations between citizens, that is different.

[Coronita]

…or perhaps legislate what you should buy??? Hmmmm. I won’t go there…..

—–Some humor, in good fun of course.

Q. Why does Barack want higher taxes?
A. Cause he won’t be the one paying them.

Q. What does Barack Obama call lunch with a convicted felon?
A. Deductible.

Q. Who should be listed as the most expensive dependent on your tax return?
A. President Obama.

Q. What will the difference be between President Obama and Karl Marx?
A. Karl Marx had way more experience.

Q. How will President Obama will make it a lot easier for most people to do their income taxes next year?
A. No jobs, no income.

Q. Why is President Obama planing to start printing income tax forms on Kleenex?
A. So it will be easier for us to pay through the nose.

Q. What’s the difference between Obama’s stance on torture versus Bush’s stance on torture?
A. Obama doesn’t want terrorists tortured. He wants to torture American taxpayers instead.

Q. Why did Barack Obama register to run for office as a Democrat?
A. The Communist Party doesn’t have enough voters.

Q. What’s the difference between the cash for clunker program and the Obama healthcare reform plan?
A. You must have owned the vehicle for at least one year, but you must have lived with your ancestor your entire life to scrap both for cash. Both require a liquid to be fed to the victim to cause seizing as part of the program.

Q. What’s the difference between Pinocchio and Barack Obama?
A. Obama’s nose doesn’t grow when he lies. He just smiles.

Q. Why doesn’t Obama pray?
A. It’s impossible to read the teleprompter with your eyes closed

Q. Why does Barack Obama oppose the Second Amendment?
A. It stands between him and the First.

Q. Why won’t Barack Obama’s presidential jet be flight worthy?
A. It will only have a left wing.

[Coronita]

…or perhaps legislate what you should buy??? Hmmmm. I won’t go there…..

—–Some humor, in good fun of course.

Q. Why does Barack want higher taxes?
A. Cause he won’t be the one paying them.

Q. What does Barack Obama call lunch with a convicted felon?
A. Deductible.

Q. Who should be listed as the most expensive dependent on your tax return?
A. President Obama.

Q. What will the difference be between President Obama and Karl Marx?
A. Karl Marx had way more experience.

Q. How will President Obama will make it a lot easier for most people to do their income taxes next year?
A. No jobs, no income.

Q. Why is President Obama planing to start printing income tax forms on Kleenex?
A. So it will be easier for us to pay through the nose.

Q. What’s the difference between Obama’s stance on torture versus Bush’s stance on torture?
A. Obama doesn’t want terrorists tortured. He wants to torture American taxpayers instead.

Q. Why did Barack Obama register to run for office as a Democrat?
A. The Communist Party doesn’t have enough voters.

Q. What’s the difference between the cash for clunker program and the Obama healthcare reform plan?
A. You must have owned the vehicle for at least one year, but you must have lived with your ancestor your entire life to scrap both for cash. Both require a liquid to be fed to the victim to cause seizing as part of the program.

Q. What’s the difference between Pinocchio and Barack Obama?
A. Obama’s nose doesn’t grow when he lies. He just smiles.

Q. Why doesn’t Obama pray?
A. It’s impossible to read the teleprompter with your eyes closed

Q. Why does Barack Obama oppose the Second Amendment?
A. It stands between him and the First.

Q. Why won’t Barack Obama’s presidential jet be flight worthy?
A. It will only have a left wing.

[Coronita]

…or perhaps legislate what you should buy??? Hmmmm. I won’t go there…..

—–Some humor, in good fun of course.

Q. Why does Barack want higher taxes?
A. Cause he won’t be the one paying them.

Q. What does Barack Obama call lunch with a convicted felon?
A. Deductible.

Q. Who should be listed as the most expensive dependent on your tax return?
A. President Obama.

Q. What will the difference be between President Obama and Karl Marx?
A. Karl Marx had way more experience.

Q. How will President Obama will make it a lot easier for most people to do their income taxes next year?
A. No jobs, no income.

Q. Why is President Obama planing to start printing income tax forms on Kleenex?
A. So it will be easier for us to pay through the nose.

Q. What’s the difference between Obama’s stance on torture versus Bush’s stance on torture?
A. Obama doesn’t want terrorists tortured. He wants to torture American taxpayers instead.

Q. Why did Barack Obama register to run for office as a Democrat?
A. The Communist Party doesn’t have enough voters.

Q. What’s the difference between the cash for clunker program and the Obama healthcare reform plan?
A. You must have owned the vehicle for at least one year, but you must have lived with your ancestor your entire life to scrap both for cash. Both require a liquid to be fed to the victim to cause seizing as part of the program.

Q. What’s the difference between Pinocchio and Barack Obama?
A. Obama’s nose doesn’t grow when he lies. He just smiles.

Q. Why doesn’t Obama pray?
A. It’s impossible to read the teleprompter with your eyes closed

Q. Why does Barack Obama oppose the Second Amendment?
A. It stands between him and the First.

Q. Why won’t Barack Obama’s presidential jet be flight worthy?
A. It will only have a left wing.

[Coronita]

…or perhaps legislate what you should buy??? Hmmmm. I won’t go there…..

—–Some humor, in good fun of course.

Q. Why does Barack want higher taxes?
A. Cause he won’t be the one paying them.

Q. What does Barack Obama call lunch with a convicted felon?
A. Deductible.

Q. Who should be listed as the most expensive dependent on your tax return?
A. President Obama.

Q. What will the difference be between President Obama and Karl Marx?
A. Karl Marx had way more experience.

Q. How will President Obama will make it a lot easier for most people to do their income taxes next year?
A. No jobs, no income.

Q. Why is President Obama planing to start printing income tax forms on Kleenex?
A. So it will be easier for us to pay through the nose.

Q. What’s the difference between Obama’s stance on torture versus Bush’s stance on torture?
A. Obama doesn’t want terrorists tortured. He wants to torture American taxpayers instead.

Q. Why did Barack Obama register to run for office as a Democrat?
A. The Communist Party doesn’t have enough voters.

Q. What’s the difference between the cash for clunker program and the Obama healthcare reform plan?
A. You must have owned the vehicle for at least one year, but you must have lived with your ancestor your entire life to scrap both for cash. Both require a liquid to be fed to the victim to cause seizing as part of the program.

Q. What’s the difference between Pinocchio and Barack Obama?
A. Obama’s nose doesn’t grow when he lies. He just smiles.

Q. Why doesn’t Obama pray?
A. It’s impossible to read the teleprompter with your eyes closed

Q. Why does Barack Obama oppose the Second Amendment?
A. It stands between him and the First.

Q. Why won’t Barack Obama’s presidential jet be flight worthy?
A. It will only have a left wing.

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