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January 4, 2018 at 10:04 PM #808904January 5, 2018 at 8:45 AM #808908
FlyerInHi
Guest[quote=SK in CV]
If you don’t know something, there’s no reason to just make shit up and then call it your belief.[/quote]
Can we agree there is not enough data?
the Trump administration thinks pot is bad and preparing a war on pot. Don’t the Feds have experts who know a few things?
I think that pot is bad, but I’m willing to support legalization. Let people make their own decisions and live with the consequences.
Is food addictive? If food is not addictive, then people are responsible for their own obesity, no possible denial of personal responsibility.
And can’t we observe and see that our food policy and food culture are fucked up. Don’t we have enough data to come to that conclusion? I think marijuana will turn out the same and worse once we have national legal recreational.
January 5, 2018 at 9:08 AM #808910Guest[quote=flu]Not that I plan on having this problem….
Per CA law, you’re allowed to possess MJ in your car, right?
What if you cross the San Ysidro checkpoint, get stopped, and they search and find you have MJ in your car.
Doesn’t federal law trump (no pun intended) state law?[/quote]
Yes the Feds have the power to stop it, even within the states. So much for states’ rights
Obama relaxed the rules and allowed marijuana businesses to open bank accounts, etc..January 5, 2018 at 9:26 AM #808909Guest[quote=scaredyclassic]Son, never trust a man who doesn’t drink because he’s probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They’re the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They’re usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they’re a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can’t trust a man who’s afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It’s damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he’s heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl.[/quote]
That’s good one… love the vernacular philosophy.
However, doesn’t that conflict with self righteous religion? Can’t have both at the same time.
The author of the quote was an obese guy who died at 69 after many years of health problem. Sounds like he was “addicted” to a few things, maybe food and alcohol.
January 5, 2018 at 10:13 AM #808911DataAgent
Participant[quote=flu]Not that I plan on having this problem….
Per CA law, you’re allowed to possess MJ in your car, right?
What if you cross the San Ysidro checkpoint, get stopped, and they search and find you have MJ in your car.
Doesn’t federal law trump (no pun intended) state law?[/quote]
Based on what I read, it’s illegal to carry CA legal pot into Mexico. It’s also illegal to carry CA legal pot into a neighboring state even if that state also has legal pot laws.
January 5, 2018 at 10:55 AM #808913livinincali
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It’s also illegal to carry CA legal pot into a neighboring state even if that state also has legal pot laws.[/quote]Once something crosses state lines it’s regulated by the federal interstate commerce laws. Since the Federal government still has pot has a schedule 1 drug it is illegal to carry pot from one legal state to another but you’d have to be prosecuted under federal law rather than state law. Essentially you need to get caught by federal law enforcement rather than City, County, or State law enforcement. I guess it’s possible that you could get charged and busted by a federal law enforcement agency now even if state law says it’s legal. That’s essentially what happened to the first round of pot shops in CA for medical marijuana.
January 5, 2018 at 11:27 AM #808915spdrun
ParticipantQuestion is, are the Border Patrol (migra filth) bothering to Federally charge people for small amounts of weed at their checkpoints? Reading about checkpoints in Texas, they traditionally referred weed to state courts, since the Federal system had no time or stomach for minor weed possession charges.
January 5, 2018 at 12:08 PM #808916Participant[quote=spdrun]Question is, are the Border Patrol (migra filth) bothering to Federally charge people for small amounts of weed at their checkpoints? Reading about checkpoints in Texas, they traditionally referred weed to state courts, since the Federal system had no time or stomach for minor weed possession charges.[/quote]
I would doubt it. They are probably not going to do anything to personal use amounts except maybe confiscate it. They’re looking for drug runners with intent to redistribute but you could always run into that one asshole I suppose.
January 5, 2018 at 7:47 PM #808920SK in CV
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=SK in CV]
If you don’t know something, there’s no reason to just make shit up and then call it your belief.[/quote]
Can we agree there is not enough data?
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No. We can’t agree.
The number of people who smoke pot compared to shooting heroin, or take other opiates is humungous. A miniscule number of pot smokers end up in treatment, and mostly, it turns out, have underlying medical issues, not pot addiction. (My dear ex worked on locked substance abuse units for decades.) Tens of thousands of opiate addicts seek treatment.
There is no shortage of data.
January 5, 2018 at 7:51 PM #808921Participant[quote=DataAgent]
CNBC ran a series about the early days of the pot industry in Colorado a few years ago. On that series, they often said no one expected there to be much of a market for pot edibles. As it turned out, the demand for pot edibles was hard to keep up with. I have no hard numbers. Maybe it was just ‘fake news.'[/quote]It was not fake news. It was very real. Exactly the same thing happened in AZ when medicinal became legal. And has declined every year to less than 5% of the market. One of those things that sound good in theory. In practice, not so much.
January 5, 2018 at 11:16 PM #808923Guest[quote=SK in CV][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=SK in CV]
If you don’t know something, there’s no reason to just make shit up and then call it your belief.[/quote]
Can we agree there is not enough data?
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No. We can’t agree.
The number of people who smoke pot compared to shooting heroin, or take other opiates is humungous. A miniscule number of pot smokers end up in treatment, and mostly, it turns out, have underlying medical issues, not pot addiction. (My dear ex worked on locked substance abuse units for decades.) Tens of thousands of opiate addicts seek treatment.
There is no shortage of data.[/quote]
Ok. I’ll trust you and go with what you say. So long as the pot heads don’t claim addiction and need treatment later, I’m ok.
So do you think pot heads are slackers who work less and contribute less to economic output? More sick days, and medical leave? Less driven to perform?
I don’t trust people with what I consider “addiction” habits. One of my friends is dating a guy who drinks a six pack of beer everyday after work. He used to do meth in his youth. I told her to move on, run quick.
And ever since I started owning property in “the hood” I’ve observed too much deplorable behavior. I don’t know exactly…. is it common for people to do other drugs in addition to pot?
January 6, 2018 at 9:06 AM #808929
svelteParticipantNobody’s even talked about the Sessions cancelation of Cole memo.
Sure puts things in a state of flux.
As the Oregon senator said, this may be the event that finally drives Congressional action to protect states rights on the topic.
Nothing angers the public more than Washington telling them what to do.
I’m all for each state deciding how to handle the topic. Deep south doesn’t want MJ? Fine, keep it illegal. But for the west coast, we should be able to decide our own destiny. It’s a big country, room enough for differing opinions as long as they are all respected.
My two cents.
(PS – this is a very risky move by Sessions…could really bite the Republicans hard in the midterms. But then, what do I know? I’m just a pleb)
January 6, 2018 at 3:46 PM #808934Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]
So do you think pot heads are slackers who work less and contribute less to economic output? More sick days, and medical leave? Less driven to perform?[/quote]
Do you consider people who have a glass of wine with dinner slackers who work less and contribute less to economic output? More sick days and medical leave? Less driven to perform?
I have a friend, a medical doctor. He’s 62, he’ll be 63 next month. Apart from a few short (months) breaks, he’s smoked pot every day for as long as I’ve known him. More than 44 years. All through his college career, when he played D1 basketball. All through medical school. Almost every day since. He sold his practice recently. Outside of twice when he had surgery (for a torn rotator cuff, and a torn meniscus), he never missed a day of work because he was sick, since he bought his practice in 1989. Hasn’t need as much as an antibiotic since he was a kid. He’s 6’2″ and I don’t think he’s ever weighed more than 185.
So no, I don’t think that people who smoke pot are slackers. I think slackers are slackers.
January 7, 2018 at 9:09 PM #808937GuestOk. I will consider smoking pot like drinking wine with dinner.
I have, i think almost never seen anyone get drunk with wine. But I have seen people passed out from beer and liquor.
I have seen a friend’s tenant passed out like a whale on a bare mattress in the middle of living-room while people where coming and going fixing water damage. Not sure what drug induced it.
January 7, 2018 at 10:04 PM #808939scaredyclassic
ParticipantI get drunk on wine, BUT at home only
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