OT – Joe the Plumber

[svelte]

Man, some of you folks loooooovvvvveeee to debate!

[Coronita]

[quote=asianautica]You basically covered it FLU. I completely agree. Asian tend to try and assimilate or take the silent way to try to get to the top. We don’t usually like confrontation.

This is why I do not buy the fairness and inequality argument some liberal like to use as an excuse for the disparity in wages or the “dying of the middle class”. Asian Americans are still thriving just fine in the middle and upper middle class. I know many Asian Americans who came here w/ nothing more than the clothes on their backs and they did very well for themselves. This is also why I don’t have very much pity for those who cry inequality for their lack of success. Maybe they should work harder.

If it does turn out the way you think it might, maybe this will get Asian Americans to bind together and stick up for ourselves.[/quote]

There is no short term fix. As i said, it’s gonna have to take a systematic shorting that would get asians to bind together the plight of any one particular race. For one, older generation still have some of those views that divide people. For example, some of the Chinese and Koreans still have bias against Japanese, some don’t consider filipinos and vietnamese to be asian, etc,etc,etc. The list of why asians don’t work together go on and on and on and on. Second, asians tend to not question authority. “Don’t rock the boat.”…

Culturally and socially, this is a big problem. Because this just means a lot more asians are willing to put up with a lot more sh!t that other people wouldn’t normally do. I’ve seen so many times in professions more than qualified asians pass up for promotions and managed by complete incompetent idiots. Why? Because they don’t speak up. Yeah, among themselves, they bitch about how they never get promotion XYZ, or why is someone QQQ being promoted when all he/she is just talk talk talk? Well, that’s exactly the problem with most of socialized corporation. Sometimes it’s far more important to be able to talk talk talk, than to be able to actually execute. It’s how it works in corp america. A bunch of so so engineers usually depends on a handful of great engineers to do the real work, but bonuses are usually given out evenly across the board or worse more so to the one that can talk about what everyone else did without actually doing it. Shitty? Yes? Fair, hell no. Socialism, absolutely. What to do about it. Asians need to learn a think or two about playing politics and being self-promoting one’s contributions. And yes, that means, switching jobs ever 3-4 years and giving an employer the middle finger ever so often and let the project fail if you were doing most of the work and were getting 0.04% credit for it.

Longer term, asians need to diversify into other things besides just your typical engineering or medical or wall street profession. We need people to get into politics, we need more people to practice law. Not just about patent law, or corporate law. you know, things that can really make a difference, immigration, civil liberties,etc.

And this is where the asian community can actually throw money at the problem. There are plenty of asian kids that contrary to belief aren’t from wealthy families, that are shut out just like everyone other family that can’t afford to send their kid to some of the best legal professions. Of if their parents can, are told pick a “safe” profession and do it in engineering or medicine. We need to get scholarships going for those kids interested in government, legal professions that can’t afford it, because the rest of america pretty much have shut them out. These asian kids can battle the inequity of quotas and admissions discrimination, they can’t handle lack of funding…That’s where some of these tech CEOs from taiwan, china, japan, vietnam,etc need to step up and help.

One of my neighbors is CEO of a large chinese communications company. He was talking to me the other month, telling me he is sending is two boys back home to China. Why? Because he says, they won’t succeed as much here in the U.S. being both asian and male. When I asked him about this, he basically vented his frustration over politicians again the entire “liberal” but not inclusive, though he also thinks (and i agree) this Bush administration are complete morons. When i asked him, why is that? He says because there isn’t enough representation in our government to help balance some of this inequity. Fine, i said, have you explained this to your boys, and are they going to pursue careers in politics or law, or is all that matters how much money they make? That’s where sort of the light bulb went on. So, there are some work going on to setup some scholarships in your not-so-typical asian professions (sorry, no scholarships in under water basket weaving)… If we’re still living in this country when my daughter is older, I am hoping i can convince her to get more involved in a legal/politics, rather than pursue the cookie cutter engineering and medical profession. Too many damn soft spoken enginerds and doctors. I’ll have the financial backing in for her to do this.

As far as contributing to this country. As an asian american, you have a personal responsibility to keep this economy going. And that means sort of means doing your part and spend, doing your part to buy things that support american businesses (the entire buy american mantra, that surprisingly so many americans don’t given a shit about)and when possible providing jobs to people that depend on jobs.

It’s all fun and games, we talk about shorting the markets, we talk about bringing on the housing crash. In the end, having all the cards in hands and being so obnoxious about it, you’re pretty soon find out that this government, our government, would not hestitate to take what you have/made/saved and without reason or “fairness” redistribute this however it seems fit. I do not look forward to crumbled economy. It’s not that I’m scared about being on the street. That’s not gonna happen in my case. I’m worried about all the people that are gonna get thrown out on the street, and point the finger back at the rest of us that have financial stability and capital as “the problem”….And it is soooo game on right now…If it can happen, and has happened, it will happen again. Again, ever after reagan issued it’s formal apology to japanese americans, purely from a financial standpoint, where they ever made whole again, after losing all the farmland at fire sale prices? Absolutely not. Where are the bleating liberal Democrats that ever tried to address this wrong? Why did it take so long for Reagan to issue an apology? Why are the people that bludgeon to death Vince Chin in that link still freely roaming the streets, completely unapologetic of what they did? Where are the liberal Democrats rushing to Vince’s mom’s quest for justice? Where were the Democrats screaming for personal rights and freedom when Ho was incarcerated for 278 days in solitary???Exactly…I thought so..head in the sand, la la la la.

Take note AA…You’re useless if all you are doing is your 9-5 job W-2. You’re not providing anything to anyone else beyond bringing in that paycheck to payoff your own bills. If some idiot in Washington pushes the red panic button, they’ll cart your ass off that W-2 and find j6p to replace you, and you won’t be missed. On the other hand, you take a CEO, or a business owner that provides employment for 600, 1000, 2000 employees, and you wrongfully cart his/her ass to a concentration camp, I guarentee, you’ll have 600,1000,2000 pissed off unemployed employees, unless of course you were an asshole CEO or conman like some of these CEO crooks we see these days, in which case, 600,1000,2000 people would gladly see your ass in jail. That’s why even if you are making your “top 5% AGI income” on a W2, you might want to reconsider your strategy, even though it’s nice to collect that W2. Sometimes, getting spoon fed a W2 makes us weaker when it comes to social issues. In not just about affording that bigger house in Carmel Valley, or that new bimmer. This is a much bigger problem. Not saying you have to give that up, but you just need to balance this out with everything else. My favorite question i like to ask asian communities: when was the last time you made a campaign contribution? When was the last time you volunteered and/or donated time/effort to a social cause. When was the last time you spoke out against some inequity?

This might seem a little unfair. Why should we have to do more to prove a point? Agreed. Why should an asian kid have to work harder to squeeze into a quota limiting engineering degree? It is what it is.
It just needs to be done. Run chink run.

[Coronita]

[quote=asianautica]You basically covered it FLU. I completely agree. Asian tend to try and assimilate or take the silent way to try to get to the top. We don’t usually like confrontation.

This is why I do not buy the fairness and inequality argument some liberal like to use as an excuse for the disparity in wages or the “dying of the middle class”. Asian Americans are still thriving just fine in the middle and upper middle class. I know many Asian Americans who came here w/ nothing more than the clothes on their backs and they did very well for themselves. This is also why I don’t have very much pity for those who cry inequality for their lack of success. Maybe they should work harder.

If it does turn out the way you think it might, maybe this will get Asian Americans to bind together and stick up for ourselves.[/quote]

There is no short term fix. As i said, it’s gonna have to take a systematic shorting that would get asians to bind together the plight of any one particular race. For one, older generation still have some of those views that divide people. For example, some of the Chinese and Koreans still have bias against Japanese, some don’t consider filipinos and vietnamese to be asian, etc,etc,etc. The list of why asians don’t work together go on and on and on and on. Second, asians tend to not question authority. “Don’t rock the boat.”…

Culturally and socially, this is a big problem. Because this just means a lot more asians are willing to put up with a lot more sh!t that other people wouldn’t normally do. I’ve seen so many times in professions more than qualified asians pass up for promotions and managed by complete incompetent idiots. Why? Because they don’t speak up. Yeah, among themselves, they bitch about how they never get promotion XYZ, or why is someone QQQ being promoted when all he/she is just talk talk talk? Well, that’s exactly the problem with most of socialized corporation. Sometimes it’s far more important to be able to talk talk talk, than to be able to actually execute. It’s how it works in corp america. A bunch of so so engineers usually depends on a handful of great engineers to do the real work, but bonuses are usually given out evenly across the board or worse more so to the one that can talk about what everyone else did without actually doing it. Shitty? Yes? Fair, hell no. Socialism, absolutely. What to do about it. Asians need to learn a think or two about playing politics and being self-promoting one’s contributions. And yes, that means, switching jobs ever 3-4 years and giving an employer the middle finger ever so often and let the project fail if you were doing most of the work and were getting 0.04% credit for it.

Longer term, asians need to diversify into other things besides just your typical engineering or medical or wall street profession. We need people to get into politics, we need more people to practice law. Not just about patent law, or corporate law. you know, things that can really make a difference, immigration, civil liberties,etc.

And this is where the asian community can actually throw money at the problem. There are plenty of asian kids that contrary to belief aren’t from wealthy families, that are shut out just like everyone other family that can’t afford to send their kid to some of the best legal professions. Of if their parents can, are told pick a “safe” profession and do it in engineering or medicine. We need to get scholarships going for those kids interested in government, legal professions that can’t afford it, because the rest of america pretty much have shut them out. These asian kids can battle the inequity of quotas and admissions discrimination, they can’t handle lack of funding…That’s where some of these tech CEOs from taiwan, china, japan, vietnam,etc need to step up and help.

One of my neighbors is CEO of a large chinese communications company. He was talking to me the other month, telling me he is sending is two boys back home to China. Why? Because he says, they won’t succeed as much here in the U.S. being both asian and male. When I asked him about this, he basically vented his frustration over politicians again the entire “liberal” but not inclusive, though he also thinks (and i agree) this Bush administration are complete morons. When i asked him, why is that? He says because there isn’t enough representation in our government to help balance some of this inequity. Fine, i said, have you explained this to your boys, and are they going to pursue careers in politics or law, or is all that matters how much money they make? That’s where sort of the light bulb went on. So, there are some work going on to setup some scholarships in your not-so-typical asian professions (sorry, no scholarships in under water basket weaving)… If we’re still living in this country when my daughter is older, I am hoping i can convince her to get more involved in a legal/politics, rather than pursue the cookie cutter engineering and medical profession. Too many damn soft spoken enginerds and doctors. I’ll have the financial backing in for her to do this.

As far as contributing to this country. As an asian american, you have a personal responsibility to keep this economy going. And that means sort of means doing your part and spend, doing your part to buy things that support american businesses (the entire buy american mantra, that surprisingly so many americans don’t given a shit about)and when possible providing jobs to people that depend on jobs.

It’s all fun and games, we talk about shorting the markets, we talk about bringing on the housing crash. In the end, having all the cards in hands and being so obnoxious about it, you’re pretty soon find out that this government, our government, would not hestitate to take what you have/made/saved and without reason or “fairness” redistribute this however it seems fit. I do not look forward to crumbled economy. It’s not that I’m scared about being on the street. That’s not gonna happen in my case. I’m worried about all the people that are gonna get thrown out on the street, and point the finger back at the rest of us that have financial stability and capital as “the problem”….And it is soooo game on right now…If it can happen, and has happened, it will happen again. Again, ever after reagan issued it’s formal apology to japanese americans, purely from a financial standpoint, where they ever made whole again, after losing all the farmland at fire sale prices? Absolutely not. Where are the bleating liberal Democrats that ever tried to address this wrong? Why did it take so long for Reagan to issue an apology? Why are the people that bludgeon to death Vince Chin in that link still freely roaming the streets, completely unapologetic of what they did? Where are the liberal Democrats rushing to Vince’s mom’s quest for justice? Where were the Democrats screaming for personal rights and freedom when Ho was incarcerated for 278 days in solitary???Exactly…I thought so..head in the sand, la la la la.

Take note AA…You’re useless if all you are doing is your 9-5 job W-2. You’re not providing anything to anyone else beyond bringing in that paycheck to payoff your own bills. If some idiot in Washington pushes the red panic button, they’ll cart your ass off that W-2 and find j6p to replace you, and you won’t be missed. On the other hand, you take a CEO, or a business owner that provides employment for 600, 1000, 2000 employees, and you wrongfully cart his/her ass to a concentration camp, I guarentee, you’ll have 600,1000,2000 pissed off unemployed employees, unless of course you were an asshole CEO or conman like some of these CEO crooks we see these days, in which case, 600,1000,2000 people would gladly see your ass in jail. That’s why even if you are making your “top 5% AGI income” on a W2, you might want to reconsider your strategy, even though it’s nice to collect that W2. Sometimes, getting spoon fed a W2 makes us weaker when it comes to social issues. In not just about affording that bigger house in Carmel Valley, or that new bimmer. This is a much bigger problem. Not saying you have to give that up, but you just need to balance this out with everything else. My favorite question i like to ask asian communities: when was the last time you made a campaign contribution? When was the last time you volunteered and/or donated time/effort to a social cause. When was the last time you spoke out against some inequity?

This might seem a little unfair. Why should we have to do more to prove a point? Agreed. Why should an asian kid have to work harder to squeeze into a quota limiting engineering degree? It is what it is.
It just needs to be done. Run chink run.

[Coronita]

[quote=asianautica]You basically covered it FLU. I completely agree. Asian tend to try and assimilate or take the silent way to try to get to the top. We don’t usually like confrontation.

This is why I do not buy the fairness and inequality argument some liberal like to use as an excuse for the disparity in wages or the “dying of the middle class”. Asian Americans are still thriving just fine in the middle and upper middle class. I know many Asian Americans who came here w/ nothing more than the clothes on their backs and they did very well for themselves. This is also why I don’t have very much pity for those who cry inequality for their lack of success. Maybe they should work harder.

If it does turn out the way you think it might, maybe this will get Asian Americans to bind together and stick up for ourselves.[/quote]

There is no short term fix. As i said, it’s gonna have to take a systematic shorting that would get asians to bind together the plight of any one particular race. For one, older generation still have some of those views that divide people. For example, some of the Chinese and Koreans still have bias against Japanese, some don’t consider filipinos and vietnamese to be asian, etc,etc,etc. The list of why asians don’t work together go on and on and on and on. Second, asians tend to not question authority. “Don’t rock the boat.”…

Culturally and socially, this is a big problem. Because this just means a lot more asians are willing to put up with a lot more sh!t that other people wouldn’t normally do. I’ve seen so many times in professions more than qualified asians pass up for promotions and managed by complete incompetent idiots. Why? Because they don’t speak up. Yeah, among themselves, they bitch about how they never get promotion XYZ, or why is someone QQQ being promoted when all he/she is just talk talk talk? Well, that’s exactly the problem with most of socialized corporation. Sometimes it’s far more important to be able to talk talk talk, than to be able to actually execute. It’s how it works in corp america. A bunch of so so engineers usually depends on a handful of great engineers to do the real work, but bonuses are usually given out evenly across the board or worse more so to the one that can talk about what everyone else did without actually doing it. Shitty? Yes? Fair, hell no. Socialism, absolutely. What to do about it. Asians need to learn a think or two about playing politics and being self-promoting one’s contributions. And yes, that means, switching jobs ever 3-4 years and giving an employer the middle finger ever so often and let the project fail if you were doing most of the work and were getting 0.04% credit for it.

Longer term, asians need to diversify into other things besides just your typical engineering or medical or wall street profession. We need people to get into politics, we need more people to practice law. Not just about patent law, or corporate law. you know, things that can really make a difference, immigration, civil liberties,etc.

And this is where the asian community can actually throw money at the problem. There are plenty of asian kids that contrary to belief aren’t from wealthy families, that are shut out just like everyone other family that can’t afford to send their kid to some of the best legal professions. Of if their parents can, are told pick a “safe” profession and do it in engineering or medicine. We need to get scholarships going for those kids interested in government, legal professions that can’t afford it, because the rest of america pretty much have shut them out. These asian kids can battle the inequity of quotas and admissions discrimination, they can’t handle lack of funding…That’s where some of these tech CEOs from taiwan, china, japan, vietnam,etc need to step up and help.

One of my neighbors is CEO of a large chinese communications company. He was talking to me the other month, telling me he is sending is two boys back home to China. Why? Because he says, they won’t succeed as much here in the U.S. being both asian and male. When I asked him about this, he basically vented his frustration over politicians again the entire “liberal” but not inclusive, though he also thinks (and i agree) this Bush administration are complete morons. When i asked him, why is that? He says because there isn’t enough representation in our government to help balance some of this inequity. Fine, i said, have you explained this to your boys, and are they going to pursue careers in politics or law, or is all that matters how much money they make? That’s where sort of the light bulb went on. So, there are some work going on to setup some scholarships in your not-so-typical asian professions (sorry, no scholarships in under water basket weaving)… If we’re still living in this country when my daughter is older, I am hoping i can convince her to get more involved in a legal/politics, rather than pursue the cookie cutter engineering and medical profession. Too many damn soft spoken enginerds and doctors. I’ll have the financial backing in for her to do this.

As far as contributing to this country. As an asian american, you have a personal responsibility to keep this economy going. And that means sort of means doing your part and spend, doing your part to buy things that support american businesses (the entire buy american mantra, that surprisingly so many americans don’t given a shit about)and when possible providing jobs to people that depend on jobs.

It’s all fun and games, we talk about shorting the markets, we talk about bringing on the housing crash. In the end, having all the cards in hands and being so obnoxious about it, you’re pretty soon find out that this government, our government, would not hestitate to take what you have/made/saved and without reason or “fairness” redistribute this however it seems fit. I do not look forward to crumbled economy. It’s not that I’m scared about being on the street. That’s not gonna happen in my case. I’m worried about all the people that are gonna get thrown out on the street, and point the finger back at the rest of us that have financial stability and capital as “the problem”….And it is soooo game on right now…If it can happen, and has happened, it will happen again. Again, ever after reagan issued it’s formal apology to japanese americans, purely from a financial standpoint, where they ever made whole again, after losing all the farmland at fire sale prices? Absolutely not. Where are the bleating liberal Democrats that ever tried to address this wrong? Why did it take so long for Reagan to issue an apology? Why are the people that bludgeon to death Vince Chin in that link still freely roaming the streets, completely unapologetic of what they did? Where are the liberal Democrats rushing to Vince’s mom’s quest for justice? Where were the Democrats screaming for personal rights and freedom when Ho was incarcerated for 278 days in solitary???Exactly…I thought so..head in the sand, la la la la.

Take note AA…You’re useless if all you are doing is your 9-5 job W-2. You’re not providing anything to anyone else beyond bringing in that paycheck to payoff your own bills. If some idiot in Washington pushes the red panic button, they’ll cart your ass off that W-2 and find j6p to replace you, and you won’t be missed. On the other hand, you take a CEO, or a business owner that provides employment for 600, 1000, 2000 employees, and you wrongfully cart his/her ass to a concentration camp, I guarentee, you’ll have 600,1000,2000 pissed off unemployed employees, unless of course you were an asshole CEO or conman like some of these CEO crooks we see these days, in which case, 600,1000,2000 people would gladly see your ass in jail. That’s why even if you are making your “top 5% AGI income” on a W2, you might want to reconsider your strategy, even though it’s nice to collect that W2. Sometimes, getting spoon fed a W2 makes us weaker when it comes to social issues. In not just about affording that bigger house in Carmel Valley, or that new bimmer. This is a much bigger problem. Not saying you have to give that up, but you just need to balance this out with everything else. My favorite question i like to ask asian communities: when was the last time you made a campaign contribution? When was the last time you volunteered and/or donated time/effort to a social cause. When was the last time you spoke out against some inequity?

This might seem a little unfair. Why should we have to do more to prove a point? Agreed. Why should an asian kid have to work harder to squeeze into a quota limiting engineering degree? It is what it is.
It just needs to be done. Run chink run.

[Coronita]

[quote=asianautica]You basically covered it FLU. I completely agree. Asian tend to try and assimilate or take the silent way to try to get to the top. We don’t usually like confrontation.

This is why I do not buy the fairness and inequality argument some liberal like to use as an excuse for the disparity in wages or the “dying of the middle class”. Asian Americans are still thriving just fine in the middle and upper middle class. I know many Asian Americans who came here w/ nothing more than the clothes on their backs and they did very well for themselves. This is also why I don’t have very much pity for those who cry inequality for their lack of success. Maybe they should work harder.

If it does turn out the way you think it might, maybe this will get Asian Americans to bind together and stick up for ourselves.[/quote]

There is no short term fix. As i said, it’s gonna have to take a systematic shorting that would get asians to bind together the plight of any one particular race. For one, older generation still have some of those views that divide people. For example, some of the Chinese and Koreans still have bias against Japanese, some don’t consider filipinos and vietnamese to be asian, etc,etc,etc. The list of why asians don’t work together go on and on and on and on. Second, asians tend to not question authority. “Don’t rock the boat.”…

Culturally and socially, this is a big problem. Because this just means a lot more asians are willing to put up with a lot more sh!t that other people wouldn’t normally do. I’ve seen so many times in professions more than qualified asians pass up for promotions and managed by complete incompetent idiots. Why? Because they don’t speak up. Yeah, among themselves, they bitch about how they never get promotion XYZ, or why is someone QQQ being promoted when all he/she is just talk talk talk? Well, that’s exactly the problem with most of socialized corporation. Sometimes it’s far more important to be able to talk talk talk, than to be able to actually execute. It’s how it works in corp america. A bunch of so so engineers usually depends on a handful of great engineers to do the real work, but bonuses are usually given out evenly across the board or worse more so to the one that can talk about what everyone else did without actually doing it. Shitty? Yes? Fair, hell no. Socialism, absolutely. What to do about it. Asians need to learn a think or two about playing politics and being self-promoting one’s contributions. And yes, that means, switching jobs ever 3-4 years and giving an employer the middle finger ever so often and let the project fail if you were doing most of the work and were getting 0.04% credit for it.

Longer term, asians need to diversify into other things besides just your typical engineering or medical or wall street profession. We need people to get into politics, we need more people to practice law. Not just about patent law, or corporate law. you know, things that can really make a difference, immigration, civil liberties,etc.

And this is where the asian community can actually throw money at the problem. There are plenty of asian kids that contrary to belief aren’t from wealthy families, that are shut out just like everyone other family that can’t afford to send their kid to some of the best legal professions. Of if their parents can, are told pick a “safe” profession and do it in engineering or medicine. We need to get scholarships going for those kids interested in government, legal professions that can’t afford it, because the rest of america pretty much have shut them out. These asian kids can battle the inequity of quotas and admissions discrimination, they can’t handle lack of funding…That’s where some of these tech CEOs from taiwan, china, japan, vietnam,etc need to step up and help.

One of my neighbors is CEO of a large chinese communications company. He was talking to me the other month, telling me he is sending is two boys back home to China. Why? Because he says, they won’t succeed as much here in the U.S. being both asian and male. When I asked him about this, he basically vented his frustration over politicians again the entire “liberal” but not inclusive, though he also thinks (and i agree) this Bush administration are complete morons. When i asked him, why is that? He says because there isn’t enough representation in our government to help balance some of this inequity. Fine, i said, have you explained this to your boys, and are they going to pursue careers in politics or law, or is all that matters how much money they make? That’s where sort of the light bulb went on. So, there are some work going on to setup some scholarships in your not-so-typical asian professions (sorry, no scholarships in under water basket weaving)… If we’re still living in this country when my daughter is older, I am hoping i can convince her to get more involved in a legal/politics, rather than pursue the cookie cutter engineering and medical profession. Too many damn soft spoken enginerds and doctors. I’ll have the financial backing in for her to do this.

As far as contributing to this country. As an asian american, you have a personal responsibility to keep this economy going. And that means sort of means doing your part and spend, doing your part to buy things that support american businesses (the entire buy american mantra, that surprisingly so many americans don’t given a shit about)and when possible providing jobs to people that depend on jobs.

It’s all fun and games, we talk about shorting the markets, we talk about bringing on the housing crash. In the end, having all the cards in hands and being so obnoxious about it, you’re pretty soon find out that this government, our government, would not hestitate to take what you have/made/saved and without reason or “fairness” redistribute this however it seems fit. I do not look forward to crumbled economy. It’s not that I’m scared about being on the street. That’s not gonna happen in my case. I’m worried about all the people that are gonna get thrown out on the street, and point the finger back at the rest of us that have financial stability and capital as “the problem”….And it is soooo game on right now…If it can happen, and has happened, it will happen again. Again, ever after reagan issued it’s formal apology to japanese americans, purely from a financial standpoint, where they ever made whole again, after losing all the farmland at fire sale prices? Absolutely not. Where are the bleating liberal Democrats that ever tried to address this wrong? Why did it take so long for Reagan to issue an apology? Why are the people that bludgeon to death Vince Chin in that link still freely roaming the streets, completely unapologetic of what they did? Where are the liberal Democrats rushing to Vince’s mom’s quest for justice? Where were the Democrats screaming for personal rights and freedom when Ho was incarcerated for 278 days in solitary???Exactly…I thought so..head in the sand, la la la la.

Take note AA…You’re useless if all you are doing is your 9-5 job W-2. You’re not providing anything to anyone else beyond bringing in that paycheck to payoff your own bills. If some idiot in Washington pushes the red panic button, they’ll cart your ass off that W-2 and find j6p to replace you, and you won’t be missed. On the other hand, you take a CEO, or a business owner that provides employment for 600, 1000, 2000 employees, and you wrongfully cart his/her ass to a concentration camp, I guarentee, you’ll have 600,1000,2000 pissed off unemployed employees, unless of course you were an asshole CEO or conman like some of these CEO crooks we see these days, in which case, 600,1000,2000 people would gladly see your ass in jail. That’s why even if you are making your “top 5% AGI income” on a W2, you might want to reconsider your strategy, even though it’s nice to collect that W2. Sometimes, getting spoon fed a W2 makes us weaker when it comes to social issues. In not just about affording that bigger house in Carmel Valley, or that new bimmer. This is a much bigger problem. Not saying you have to give that up, but you just need to balance this out with everything else. My favorite question i like to ask asian communities: when was the last time you made a campaign contribution? When was the last time you volunteered and/or donated time/effort to a social cause. When was the last time you spoke out against some inequity?

This might seem a little unfair. Why should we have to do more to prove a point? Agreed. Why should an asian kid have to work harder to squeeze into a quota limiting engineering degree? It is what it is.
It just needs to be done. Run chink run.

[Coronita]

[quote=asianautica]You basically covered it FLU. I completely agree. Asian tend to try and assimilate or take the silent way to try to get to the top. We don’t usually like confrontation.

This is why I do not buy the fairness and inequality argument some liberal like to use as an excuse for the disparity in wages or the “dying of the middle class”. Asian Americans are still thriving just fine in the middle and upper middle class. I know many Asian Americans who came here w/ nothing more than the clothes on their backs and they did very well for themselves. This is also why I don’t have very much pity for those who cry inequality for their lack of success. Maybe they should work harder.

If it does turn out the way you think it might, maybe this will get Asian Americans to bind together and stick up for ourselves.[/quote]

There is no short term fix. As i said, it’s gonna have to take a systematic shorting that would get asians to bind together the plight of any one particular race. For one, older generation still have some of those views that divide people. For example, some of the Chinese and Koreans still have bias against Japanese, some don’t consider filipinos and vietnamese to be asian, etc,etc,etc. The list of why asians don’t work together go on and on and on and on. Second, asians tend to not question authority. “Don’t rock the boat.”…

Culturally and socially, this is a big problem. Because this just means a lot more asians are willing to put up with a lot more sh!t that other people wouldn’t normally do. I’ve seen so many times in professions more than qualified asians pass up for promotions and managed by complete incompetent idiots. Why? Because they don’t speak up. Yeah, among themselves, they bitch about how they never get promotion XYZ, or why is someone QQQ being promoted when all he/she is just talk talk talk? Well, that’s exactly the problem with most of socialized corporation. Sometimes it’s far more important to be able to talk talk talk, than to be able to actually execute. It’s how it works in corp america. A bunch of so so engineers usually depends on a handful of great engineers to do the real work, but bonuses are usually given out evenly across the board or worse more so to the one that can talk about what everyone else did without actually doing it. Shitty? Yes? Fair, hell no. Socialism, absolutely. What to do about it. Asians need to learn a think or two about playing politics and being self-promoting one’s contributions. And yes, that means, switching jobs ever 3-4 years and giving an employer the middle finger ever so often and let the project fail if you were doing most of the work and were getting 0.04% credit for it.

Longer term, asians need to diversify into other things besides just your typical engineering or medical or wall street profession. We need people to get into politics, we need more people to practice law. Not just about patent law, or corporate law. you know, things that can really make a difference, immigration, civil liberties,etc.

And this is where the asian community can actually throw money at the problem. There are plenty of asian kids that contrary to belief aren’t from wealthy families, that are shut out just like everyone other family that can’t afford to send their kid to some of the best legal professions. Of if their parents can, are told pick a “safe” profession and do it in engineering or medicine. We need to get scholarships going for those kids interested in government, legal professions that can’t afford it, because the rest of america pretty much have shut them out. These asian kids can battle the inequity of quotas and admissions discrimination, they can’t handle lack of funding…That’s where some of these tech CEOs from taiwan, china, japan, vietnam,etc need to step up and help.

One of my neighbors is CEO of a large chinese communications company. He was talking to me the other month, telling me he is sending is two boys back home to China. Why? Because he says, they won’t succeed as much here in the U.S. being both asian and male. When I asked him about this, he basically vented his frustration over politicians again the entire “liberal” but not inclusive, though he also thinks (and i agree) this Bush administration are complete morons. When i asked him, why is that? He says because there isn’t enough representation in our government to help balance some of this inequity. Fine, i said, have you explained this to your boys, and are they going to pursue careers in politics or law, or is all that matters how much money they make? That’s where sort of the light bulb went on. So, there are some work going on to setup some scholarships in your not-so-typical asian professions (sorry, no scholarships in under water basket weaving)… If we’re still living in this country when my daughter is older, I am hoping i can convince her to get more involved in a legal/politics, rather than pursue the cookie cutter engineering and medical profession. Too many damn soft spoken enginerds and doctors. I’ll have the financial backing in for her to do this.

As far as contributing to this country. As an asian american, you have a personal responsibility to keep this economy going. And that means sort of means doing your part and spend, doing your part to buy things that support american businesses (the entire buy american mantra, that surprisingly so many americans don’t given a shit about)and when possible providing jobs to people that depend on jobs.

It’s all fun and games, we talk about shorting the markets, we talk about bringing on the housing crash. In the end, having all the cards in hands and being so obnoxious about it, you’re pretty soon find out that this government, our government, would not hestitate to take what you have/made/saved and without reason or “fairness” redistribute this however it seems fit. I do not look forward to crumbled economy. It’s not that I’m scared about being on the street. That’s not gonna happen in my case. I’m worried about all the people that are gonna get thrown out on the street, and point the finger back at the rest of us that have financial stability and capital as “the problem”….And it is soooo game on right now…If it can happen, and has happened, it will happen again. Again, ever after reagan issued it’s formal apology to japanese americans, purely from a financial standpoint, where they ever made whole again, after losing all the farmland at fire sale prices? Absolutely not. Where are the bleating liberal Democrats that ever tried to address this wrong? Why did it take so long for Reagan to issue an apology? Why are the people that bludgeon to death Vince Chin in that link still freely roaming the streets, completely unapologetic of what they did? Where are the liberal Democrats rushing to Vince’s mom’s quest for justice? Where were the Democrats screaming for personal rights and freedom when Ho was incarcerated for 278 days in solitary???Exactly…I thought so..head in the sand, la la la la.

Take note AA…You’re useless if all you are doing is your 9-5 job W-2. You’re not providing anything to anyone else beyond bringing in that paycheck to payoff your own bills. If some idiot in Washington pushes the red panic button, they’ll cart your ass off that W-2 and find j6p to replace you, and you won’t be missed. On the other hand, you take a CEO, or a business owner that provides employment for 600, 1000, 2000 employees, and you wrongfully cart his/her ass to a concentration camp, I guarentee, you’ll have 600,1000,2000 pissed off unemployed employees, unless of course you were an asshole CEO or conman like some of these CEO crooks we see these days, in which case, 600,1000,2000 people would gladly see your ass in jail. That’s why even if you are making your “top 5% AGI income” on a W2, you might want to reconsider your strategy, even though it’s nice to collect that W2. Sometimes, getting spoon fed a W2 makes us weaker when it comes to social issues. In not just about affording that bigger house in Carmel Valley, or that new bimmer. This is a much bigger problem. Not saying you have to give that up, but you just need to balance this out with everything else. My favorite question i like to ask asian communities: when was the last time you made a campaign contribution? When was the last time you volunteered and/or donated time/effort to a social cause. When was the last time you spoke out against some inequity?

This might seem a little unfair. Why should we have to do more to prove a point? Agreed. Why should an asian kid have to work harder to squeeze into a quota limiting engineering degree? It is what it is.
It just needs to be done. Run chink run.

[an]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]
There is no short term fix. As i said, it’s gonna have to take a systematic shorting that would get asians to bind together the plight of any one particular race. For one, older generation still have some of those views that divide people. For example, some of the Chinese and Koreans still have bias against Japanese, some don’t consider filipinos and vietnamese to be asian, etc,etc,etc. The list of why asians don’t work together go on and on and on and on. Second, asians tend to not question authority. “Don’t rock the boat.”… [/quote]
Funny that you said Chinese don’t consider Vietnamese as Asian, because Chinese have been trying to take over Vietnam for 4000 years. When communist too over China, guess where a lot of Chinese ran to… hint hint, Vietnam.

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]Culturally and socially, this is a big problem. Because this just means a lot more asians are willing to put up with a lot more sh!t that other people wouldn’t normally do. I’ve seen so many times in professions more than qualified asians pass up for promotions and managed by complete incompetent idiots. Why? Because they don’t speak up. Yeah, among themselves, they bitch about how they never get promotion XYZ, or why is someone QQQ being promoted when all he/she is just talk talk talk? Well, that’s exactly the problem with most of socialized corporation. Sometimes it’s far more important to be able to talk talk talk, than to be able to actually execute. It’s how it works in corp america. A bunch of so so engineers usually depends on a handful of great engineers to do the real work, but bonuses are usually given out evenly across the board or worse more so to the one that can talk about what everyone else did without actually doing it. Shitty? Yes? Fair, hell no. Socialism, absolutely. What to do about it. Asians need to learn a think or two about playing politics and being self-promoting one’s contributions. And yes, that means, switching jobs ever 3-4 years and giving an employer the middle finger ever so often and let the project fail if you were doing most of the work and were getting 0.04% credit for it.

Longer term, asians need to diversify into other things besides just your typical engineering or medical or wall street profession. We need people to get into politics, we need more people to practice law. Not just about patent law, or corporate law. you know, things that can really make a difference, immigration, civil liberties,etc.

And this is where the asian community can actually throw money at the problem. There are plenty of asian kids that contrary to belief aren’t from wealthy families, that are shut out just like everyone other family that can’t afford to send their kid to some of the best legal professions. Of if their parents can, are told pick a “safe” profession and do it in engineering or medicine. We need to get scholarships going for those kids interested in government, legal professions that can’t afford it, because the rest of america pretty much have shut them out. These asian kids can battle the inequity of quotas and admissions discrimination, they can’t handle lack of funding…That’s where some of these tech CEOs from taiwan, china, japan, vietnam,etc need to step up and help.

One of my neighbors is CEO of a large chinese communications company. He was talking to me the other month, telling me he is sending is two boys back home to China. Why? Because he says, they won’t succeed as much here in the U.S. being both asian and male. When I asked him about this, he basically vented his frustration over politicians again the entire “liberal” but not inclusive, though he also thinks (and i agree) this Bush administration are complete morons. When i asked him, why is that? He says because there isn’t enough representation in our government to help balance some of this inequity. Fine, i said, have you explained this to your boys, and are they going to pursue careers in politics or law, or is all that matters how much money they make? That’s where sort of the light bulb went on. So, there are some work going on to setup some scholarships in your not-so-typical asian professions (sorry, no scholarships in under water basket weaving)… If we’re still living in this country when my daughter is older, I am hoping i can convince her to get more involved in a legal/politics, rather than pursue the cookie cutter engineering and medical profession. Too many damn soft spoken enginerds and doctors. I’ll have the financial backing in for her to do this.

As far as contributing to this country. As an asian american, you have a personal responsibility to keep this economy going. And that means sort of means doing your part and spend, doing your part to buy things that support american businesses (the entire buy american mantra, that surprisingly so many americans don’t given a shit about)and when possible providing jobs to people that depend on jobs.

You’re useless if all you are doing is your 9-5 job W-2. You’re not providing anything to anyone else beyond bringing in that paycheck to payoff your own bills. If some idiot in Washington pushes the red panic button, they’ll cart your ass off that W-2 and find j6p to replace you, and you won’t be missed. On the other hand, you take a CEO, or a business owner that provides employment for 600, 1000, 2000 employees, and you wrongfully cart his/her ass to a concentration camp, I guarentee, you’ll have 600,1000,2000 pissed off unemployed employees, unless of course you were an asshole CEO or conman like some of these CEO crooks we see these days, in which case, 600,1000,2000 people would gladly see your ass in jail. That’s why even if you are making your “top 5% AGI income” on a W2, you might want to reconsider your strategy, even though it’s nice to collect that W2. Sometimes, getting spoon fed a W2 makes us weaker when it comes to social issues. In not just about affording that bigger house in Carmel Valley, or that new bimmer. This is a much bigger problem. Not saying you have to give that up, but you just need to balance this out with everything else. My favorite question i like to ask asian communities: when was the last time you made a campaign contribution? When was the last time you volunteered and/or donated time/effort to a social cause. When was the last time you spoke out against some inequity?

This might seem a little unfair. Why should we have to do more to prove a point? Agreed. Why should an asian kid have to work harder to squeeze into a quota limiting engineering degree? It is what it is.
It just needs to be done. Run chink run.
[/quote]
I agree with a lot of what you say here regarding diversification in profession. I think that is happening now that you have 2nd and 3rd generation Asian American growing up here. One example I can come up with is Orange County. There are a lot of Vietnamese who live there. They are very vocal and they participate in all level of government. That basically answer your question regarding Asian participation in social causes. Asians do tend to stick together and support each other. At least within the sub Asian groups. Now, if we can all just become Asian American, instead of Chinese American, Vietnamese American, etc, our voice would be much louder. Regarding speaking out against inequality, I think our tolerance for inequality is much higher than most. That’s partly due to the way we were raised. Because of this higher threshold, a lot of inequity that African American would scream from the roof top about, we probably didn’t even notice it until someone point it out to us.

I think the reason we go into Engineering and Health care is because our parents pushed us to go into that direction. But I think after growing up here, 2nd gen AA do not have the same ideal about profession their kids should go into. Just having the parents approval in anything they do would open a lot of doors.

Regarding your comment about W-2, I do share the same dire view. After all, you need W-2er to work for those CEO. If everyone become CEO, who would work for them? See my point? If it gets as bad you think, there’s always Canada :-). I know many who run their own business and I commend them for doing what they like, but I’m happy with my W-2 life so far.

[an]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]
There is no short term fix. As i said, it’s gonna have to take a systematic shorting that would get asians to bind together the plight of any one particular race. For one, older generation still have some of those views that divide people. For example, some of the Chinese and Koreans still have bias against Japanese, some don’t consider filipinos and vietnamese to be asian, etc,etc,etc. The list of why asians don’t work together go on and on and on and on. Second, asians tend to not question authority. “Don’t rock the boat.”… [/quote]
Funny that you said Chinese don’t consider Vietnamese as Asian, because Chinese have been trying to take over Vietnam for 4000 years. When communist too over China, guess where a lot of Chinese ran to… hint hint, Vietnam.

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]Culturally and socially, this is a big problem. Because this just means a lot more asians are willing to put up with a lot more sh!t that other people wouldn’t normally do. I’ve seen so many times in professions more than qualified asians pass up for promotions and managed by complete incompetent idiots. Why? Because they don’t speak up. Yeah, among themselves, they bitch about how they never get promotion XYZ, or why is someone QQQ being promoted when all he/she is just talk talk talk? Well, that’s exactly the problem with most of socialized corporation. Sometimes it’s far more important to be able to talk talk talk, than to be able to actually execute. It’s how it works in corp america. A bunch of so so engineers usually depends on a handful of great engineers to do the real work, but bonuses are usually given out evenly across the board or worse more so to the one that can talk about what everyone else did without actually doing it. Shitty? Yes? Fair, hell no. Socialism, absolutely. What to do about it. Asians need to learn a think or two about playing politics and being self-promoting one’s contributions. And yes, that means, switching jobs ever 3-4 years and giving an employer the middle finger ever so often and let the project fail if you were doing most of the work and were getting 0.04% credit for it.

Longer term, asians need to diversify into other things besides just your typical engineering or medical or wall street profession. We need people to get into politics, we need more people to practice law. Not just about patent law, or corporate law. you know, things that can really make a difference, immigration, civil liberties,etc.

And this is where the asian community can actually throw money at the problem. There are plenty of asian kids that contrary to belief aren’t from wealthy families, that are shut out just like everyone other family that can’t afford to send their kid to some of the best legal professions. Of if their parents can, are told pick a “safe” profession and do it in engineering or medicine. We need to get scholarships going for those kids interested in government, legal professions that can’t afford it, because the rest of america pretty much have shut them out. These asian kids can battle the inequity of quotas and admissions discrimination, they can’t handle lack of funding…That’s where some of these tech CEOs from taiwan, china, japan, vietnam,etc need to step up and help.

One of my neighbors is CEO of a large chinese communications company. He was talking to me the other month, telling me he is sending is two boys back home to China. Why? Because he says, they won’t succeed as much here in the U.S. being both asian and male. When I asked him about this, he basically vented his frustration over politicians again the entire “liberal” but not inclusive, though he also thinks (and i agree) this Bush administration are complete morons. When i asked him, why is that? He says because there isn’t enough representation in our government to help balance some of this inequity. Fine, i said, have you explained this to your boys, and are they going to pursue careers in politics or law, or is all that matters how much money they make? That’s where sort of the light bulb went on. So, there are some work going on to setup some scholarships in your not-so-typical asian professions (sorry, no scholarships in under water basket weaving)… If we’re still living in this country when my daughter is older, I am hoping i can convince her to get more involved in a legal/politics, rather than pursue the cookie cutter engineering and medical profession. Too many damn soft spoken enginerds and doctors. I’ll have the financial backing in for her to do this.

As far as contributing to this country. As an asian american, you have a personal responsibility to keep this economy going. And that means sort of means doing your part and spend, doing your part to buy things that support american businesses (the entire buy american mantra, that surprisingly so many americans don’t given a shit about)and when possible providing jobs to people that depend on jobs.

You’re useless if all you are doing is your 9-5 job W-2. You’re not providing anything to anyone else beyond bringing in that paycheck to payoff your own bills. If some idiot in Washington pushes the red panic button, they’ll cart your ass off that W-2 and find j6p to replace you, and you won’t be missed. On the other hand, you take a CEO, or a business owner that provides employment for 600, 1000, 2000 employees, and you wrongfully cart his/her ass to a concentration camp, I guarentee, you’ll have 600,1000,2000 pissed off unemployed employees, unless of course you were an asshole CEO or conman like some of these CEO crooks we see these days, in which case, 600,1000,2000 people would gladly see your ass in jail. That’s why even if you are making your “top 5% AGI income” on a W2, you might want to reconsider your strategy, even though it’s nice to collect that W2. Sometimes, getting spoon fed a W2 makes us weaker when it comes to social issues. In not just about affording that bigger house in Carmel Valley, or that new bimmer. This is a much bigger problem. Not saying you have to give that up, but you just need to balance this out with everything else. My favorite question i like to ask asian communities: when was the last time you made a campaign contribution? When was the last time you volunteered and/or donated time/effort to a social cause. When was the last time you spoke out against some inequity?

This might seem a little unfair. Why should we have to do more to prove a point? Agreed. Why should an asian kid have to work harder to squeeze into a quota limiting engineering degree? It is what it is.
It just needs to be done. Run chink run.
[/quote]
I agree with a lot of what you say here regarding diversification in profession. I think that is happening now that you have 2nd and 3rd generation Asian American growing up here. One example I can come up with is Orange County. There are a lot of Vietnamese who live there. They are very vocal and they participate in all level of government. That basically answer your question regarding Asian participation in social causes. Asians do tend to stick together and support each other. At least within the sub Asian groups. Now, if we can all just become Asian American, instead of Chinese American, Vietnamese American, etc, our voice would be much louder. Regarding speaking out against inequality, I think our tolerance for inequality is much higher than most. That’s partly due to the way we were raised. Because of this higher threshold, a lot of inequity that African American would scream from the roof top about, we probably didn’t even notice it until someone point it out to us.

I think the reason we go into Engineering and Health care is because our parents pushed us to go into that direction. But I think after growing up here, 2nd gen AA do not have the same ideal about profession their kids should go into. Just having the parents approval in anything they do would open a lot of doors.

Regarding your comment about W-2, I do share the same dire view. After all, you need W-2er to work for those CEO. If everyone become CEO, who would work for them? See my point? If it gets as bad you think, there’s always Canada :-). I know many who run their own business and I commend them for doing what they like, but I’m happy with my W-2 life so far.

[an]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]
There is no short term fix. As i said, it’s gonna have to take a systematic shorting that would get asians to bind together the plight of any one particular race. For one, older generation still have some of those views that divide people. For example, some of the Chinese and Koreans still have bias against Japanese, some don’t consider filipinos and vietnamese to be asian, etc,etc,etc. The list of why asians don’t work together go on and on and on and on. Second, asians tend to not question authority. “Don’t rock the boat.”… [/quote]
Funny that you said Chinese don’t consider Vietnamese as Asian, because Chinese have been trying to take over Vietnam for 4000 years. When communist too over China, guess where a lot of Chinese ran to… hint hint, Vietnam.

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]Culturally and socially, this is a big problem. Because this just means a lot more asians are willing to put up with a lot more sh!t that other people wouldn’t normally do. I’ve seen so many times in professions more than qualified asians pass up for promotions and managed by complete incompetent idiots. Why? Because they don’t speak up. Yeah, among themselves, they bitch about how they never get promotion XYZ, or why is someone QQQ being promoted when all he/she is just talk talk talk? Well, that’s exactly the problem with most of socialized corporation. Sometimes it’s far more important to be able to talk talk talk, than to be able to actually execute. It’s how it works in corp america. A bunch of so so engineers usually depends on a handful of great engineers to do the real work, but bonuses are usually given out evenly across the board or worse more so to the one that can talk about what everyone else did without actually doing it. Shitty? Yes? Fair, hell no. Socialism, absolutely. What to do about it. Asians need to learn a think or two about playing politics and being self-promoting one’s contributions. And yes, that means, switching jobs ever 3-4 years and giving an employer the middle finger ever so often and let the project fail if you were doing most of the work and were getting 0.04% credit for it.

Longer term, asians need to diversify into other things besides just your typical engineering or medical or wall street profession. We need people to get into politics, we need more people to practice law. Not just about patent law, or corporate law. you know, things that can really make a difference, immigration, civil liberties,etc.

And this is where the asian community can actually throw money at the problem. There are plenty of asian kids that contrary to belief aren’t from wealthy families, that are shut out just like everyone other family that can’t afford to send their kid to some of the best legal professions. Of if their parents can, are told pick a “safe” profession and do it in engineering or medicine. We need to get scholarships going for those kids interested in government, legal professions that can’t afford it, because the rest of america pretty much have shut them out. These asian kids can battle the inequity of quotas and admissions discrimination, they can’t handle lack of funding…That’s where some of these tech CEOs from taiwan, china, japan, vietnam,etc need to step up and help.

One of my neighbors is CEO of a large chinese communications company. He was talking to me the other month, telling me he is sending is two boys back home to China. Why? Because he says, they won’t succeed as much here in the U.S. being both asian and male. When I asked him about this, he basically vented his frustration over politicians again the entire “liberal” but not inclusive, though he also thinks (and i agree) this Bush administration are complete morons. When i asked him, why is that? He says because there isn’t enough representation in our government to help balance some of this inequity. Fine, i said, have you explained this to your boys, and are they going to pursue careers in politics or law, or is all that matters how much money they make? That’s where sort of the light bulb went on. So, there are some work going on to setup some scholarships in your not-so-typical asian professions (sorry, no scholarships in under water basket weaving)… If we’re still living in this country when my daughter is older, I am hoping i can convince her to get more involved in a legal/politics, rather than pursue the cookie cutter engineering and medical profession. Too many damn soft spoken enginerds and doctors. I’ll have the financial backing in for her to do this.

As far as contributing to this country. As an asian american, you have a personal responsibility to keep this economy going. And that means sort of means doing your part and spend, doing your part to buy things that support american businesses (the entire buy american mantra, that surprisingly so many americans don’t given a shit about)and when possible providing jobs to people that depend on jobs.

You’re useless if all you are doing is your 9-5 job W-2. You’re not providing anything to anyone else beyond bringing in that paycheck to payoff your own bills. If some idiot in Washington pushes the red panic button, they’ll cart your ass off that W-2 and find j6p to replace you, and you won’t be missed. On the other hand, you take a CEO, or a business owner that provides employment for 600, 1000, 2000 employees, and you wrongfully cart his/her ass to a concentration camp, I guarentee, you’ll have 600,1000,2000 pissed off unemployed employees, unless of course you were an asshole CEO or conman like some of these CEO crooks we see these days, in which case, 600,1000,2000 people would gladly see your ass in jail. That’s why even if you are making your “top 5% AGI income” on a W2, you might want to reconsider your strategy, even though it’s nice to collect that W2. Sometimes, getting spoon fed a W2 makes us weaker when it comes to social issues. In not just about affording that bigger house in Carmel Valley, or that new bimmer. This is a much bigger problem. Not saying you have to give that up, but you just need to balance this out with everything else. My favorite question i like to ask asian communities: when was the last time you made a campaign contribution? When was the last time you volunteered and/or donated time/effort to a social cause. When was the last time you spoke out against some inequity?

This might seem a little unfair. Why should we have to do more to prove a point? Agreed. Why should an asian kid have to work harder to squeeze into a quota limiting engineering degree? It is what it is.
It just needs to be done. Run chink run.
[/quote]
I agree with a lot of what you say here regarding diversification in profession. I think that is happening now that you have 2nd and 3rd generation Asian American growing up here. One example I can come up with is Orange County. There are a lot of Vietnamese who live there. They are very vocal and they participate in all level of government. That basically answer your question regarding Asian participation in social causes. Asians do tend to stick together and support each other. At least within the sub Asian groups. Now, if we can all just become Asian American, instead of Chinese American, Vietnamese American, etc, our voice would be much louder. Regarding speaking out against inequality, I think our tolerance for inequality is much higher than most. That’s partly due to the way we were raised. Because of this higher threshold, a lot of inequity that African American would scream from the roof top about, we probably didn’t even notice it until someone point it out to us.

I think the reason we go into Engineering and Health care is because our parents pushed us to go into that direction. But I think after growing up here, 2nd gen AA do not have the same ideal about profession their kids should go into. Just having the parents approval in anything they do would open a lot of doors.

Regarding your comment about W-2, I do share the same dire view. After all, you need W-2er to work for those CEO. If everyone become CEO, who would work for them? See my point? If it gets as bad you think, there’s always Canada :-). I know many who run their own business and I commend them for doing what they like, but I’m happy with my W-2 life so far.

[an]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]
There is no short term fix. As i said, it’s gonna have to take a systematic shorting that would get asians to bind together the plight of any one particular race. For one, older generation still have some of those views that divide people. For example, some of the Chinese and Koreans still have bias against Japanese, some don’t consider filipinos and vietnamese to be asian, etc,etc,etc. The list of why asians don’t work together go on and on and on and on. Second, asians tend to not question authority. “Don’t rock the boat.”… [/quote]
Funny that you said Chinese don’t consider Vietnamese as Asian, because Chinese have been trying to take over Vietnam for 4000 years. When communist too over China, guess where a lot of Chinese ran to… hint hint, Vietnam.

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]Culturally and socially, this is a big problem. Because this just means a lot more asians are willing to put up with a lot more sh!t that other people wouldn’t normally do. I’ve seen so many times in professions more than qualified asians pass up for promotions and managed by complete incompetent idiots. Why? Because they don’t speak up. Yeah, among themselves, they bitch about how they never get promotion XYZ, or why is someone QQQ being promoted when all he/she is just talk talk talk? Well, that’s exactly the problem with most of socialized corporation. Sometimes it’s far more important to be able to talk talk talk, than to be able to actually execute. It’s how it works in corp america. A bunch of so so engineers usually depends on a handful of great engineers to do the real work, but bonuses are usually given out evenly across the board or worse more so to the one that can talk about what everyone else did without actually doing it. Shitty? Yes? Fair, hell no. Socialism, absolutely. What to do about it. Asians need to learn a think or two about playing politics and being self-promoting one’s contributions. And yes, that means, switching jobs ever 3-4 years and giving an employer the middle finger ever so often and let the project fail if you were doing most of the work and were getting 0.04% credit for it.

Longer term, asians need to diversify into other things besides just your typical engineering or medical or wall street profession. We need people to get into politics, we need more people to practice law. Not just about patent law, or corporate law. you know, things that can really make a difference, immigration, civil liberties,etc.

And this is where the asian community can actually throw money at the problem. There are plenty of asian kids that contrary to belief aren’t from wealthy families, that are shut out just like everyone other family that can’t afford to send their kid to some of the best legal professions. Of if their parents can, are told pick a “safe” profession and do it in engineering or medicine. We need to get scholarships going for those kids interested in government, legal professions that can’t afford it, because the rest of america pretty much have shut them out. These asian kids can battle the inequity of quotas and admissions discrimination, they can’t handle lack of funding…That’s where some of these tech CEOs from taiwan, china, japan, vietnam,etc need to step up and help.

One of my neighbors is CEO of a large chinese communications company. He was talking to me the other month, telling me he is sending is two boys back home to China. Why? Because he says, they won’t succeed as much here in the U.S. being both asian and male. When I asked him about this, he basically vented his frustration over politicians again the entire “liberal” but not inclusive, though he also thinks (and i agree) this Bush administration are complete morons. When i asked him, why is that? He says because there isn’t enough representation in our government to help balance some of this inequity. Fine, i said, have you explained this to your boys, and are they going to pursue careers in politics or law, or is all that matters how much money they make? That’s where sort of the light bulb went on. So, there are some work going on to setup some scholarships in your not-so-typical asian professions (sorry, no scholarships in under water basket weaving)… If we’re still living in this country when my daughter is older, I am hoping i can convince her to get more involved in a legal/politics, rather than pursue the cookie cutter engineering and medical profession. Too many damn soft spoken enginerds and doctors. I’ll have the financial backing in for her to do this.

As far as contributing to this country. As an asian american, you have a personal responsibility to keep this economy going. And that means sort of means doing your part and spend, doing your part to buy things that support american businesses (the entire buy american mantra, that surprisingly so many americans don’t given a shit about)and when possible providing jobs to people that depend on jobs.

You’re useless if all you are doing is your 9-5 job W-2. You’re not providing anything to anyone else beyond bringing in that paycheck to payoff your own bills. If some idiot in Washington pushes the red panic button, they’ll cart your ass off that W-2 and find j6p to replace you, and you won’t be missed. On the other hand, you take a CEO, or a business owner that provides employment for 600, 1000, 2000 employees, and you wrongfully cart his/her ass to a concentration camp, I guarentee, you’ll have 600,1000,2000 pissed off unemployed employees, unless of course you were an asshole CEO or conman like some of these CEO crooks we see these days, in which case, 600,1000,2000 people would gladly see your ass in jail. That’s why even if you are making your “top 5% AGI income” on a W2, you might want to reconsider your strategy, even though it’s nice to collect that W2. Sometimes, getting spoon fed a W2 makes us weaker when it comes to social issues. In not just about affording that bigger house in Carmel Valley, or that new bimmer. This is a much bigger problem. Not saying you have to give that up, but you just need to balance this out with everything else. My favorite question i like to ask asian communities: when was the last time you made a campaign contribution? When was the last time you volunteered and/or donated time/effort to a social cause. When was the last time you spoke out against some inequity?

This might seem a little unfair. Why should we have to do more to prove a point? Agreed. Why should an asian kid have to work harder to squeeze into a quota limiting engineering degree? It is what it is.
It just needs to be done. Run chink run.
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I agree with a lot of what you say here regarding diversification in profession. I think that is happening now that you have 2nd and 3rd generation Asian American growing up here. One example I can come up with is Orange County. There are a lot of Vietnamese who live there. They are very vocal and they participate in all level of government. That basically answer your question regarding Asian participation in social causes. Asians do tend to stick together and support each other. At least within the sub Asian groups. Now, if we can all just become Asian American, instead of Chinese American, Vietnamese American, etc, our voice would be much louder. Regarding speaking out against inequality, I think our tolerance for inequality is much higher than most. That’s partly due to the way we were raised. Because of this higher threshold, a lot of inequity that African American would scream from the roof top about, we probably didn’t even notice it until someone point it out to us.

I think the reason we go into Engineering and Health care is because our parents pushed us to go into that direction. But I think after growing up here, 2nd gen AA do not have the same ideal about profession their kids should go into. Just having the parents approval in anything they do would open a lot of doors.

Regarding your comment about W-2, I do share the same dire view. After all, you need W-2er to work for those CEO. If everyone become CEO, who would work for them? See my point? If it gets as bad you think, there’s always Canada :-). I know many who run their own business and I commend them for doing what they like, but I’m happy with my W-2 life so far.

[an]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]
There is no short term fix. As i said, it’s gonna have to take a systematic shorting that would get asians to bind together the plight of any one particular race. For one, older generation still have some of those views that divide people. For example, some of the Chinese and Koreans still have bias against Japanese, some don’t consider filipinos and vietnamese to be asian, etc,etc,etc. The list of why asians don’t work together go on and on and on and on. Second, asians tend to not question authority. “Don’t rock the boat.”… [/quote]
Funny that you said Chinese don’t consider Vietnamese as Asian, because Chinese have been trying to take over Vietnam for 4000 years. When communist too over China, guess where a lot of Chinese ran to… hint hint, Vietnam.

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]Culturally and socially, this is a big problem. Because this just means a lot more asians are willing to put up with a lot more sh!t that other people wouldn’t normally do. I’ve seen so many times in professions more than qualified asians pass up for promotions and managed by complete incompetent idiots. Why? Because they don’t speak up. Yeah, among themselves, they bitch about how they never get promotion XYZ, or why is someone QQQ being promoted when all he/she is just talk talk talk? Well, that’s exactly the problem with most of socialized corporation. Sometimes it’s far more important to be able to talk talk talk, than to be able to actually execute. It’s how it works in corp america. A bunch of so so engineers usually depends on a handful of great engineers to do the real work, but bonuses are usually given out evenly across the board or worse more so to the one that can talk about what everyone else did without actually doing it. Shitty? Yes? Fair, hell no. Socialism, absolutely. What to do about it. Asians need to learn a think or two about playing politics and being self-promoting one’s contributions. And yes, that means, switching jobs ever 3-4 years and giving an employer the middle finger ever so often and let the project fail if you were doing most of the work and were getting 0.04% credit for it.

Longer term, asians need to diversify into other things besides just your typical engineering or medical or wall street profession. We need people to get into politics, we need more people to practice law. Not just about patent law, or corporate law. you know, things that can really make a difference, immigration, civil liberties,etc.

And this is where the asian community can actually throw money at the problem. There are plenty of asian kids that contrary to belief aren’t from wealthy families, that are shut out just like everyone other family that can’t afford to send their kid to some of the best legal professions. Of if their parents can, are told pick a “safe” profession and do it in engineering or medicine. We need to get scholarships going for those kids interested in government, legal professions that can’t afford it, because the rest of america pretty much have shut them out. These asian kids can battle the inequity of quotas and admissions discrimination, they can’t handle lack of funding…That’s where some of these tech CEOs from taiwan, china, japan, vietnam,etc need to step up and help.

One of my neighbors is CEO of a large chinese communications company. He was talking to me the other month, telling me he is sending is two boys back home to China. Why? Because he says, they won’t succeed as much here in the U.S. being both asian and male. When I asked him about this, he basically vented his frustration over politicians again the entire “liberal” but not inclusive, though he also thinks (and i agree) this Bush administration are complete morons. When i asked him, why is that? He says because there isn’t enough representation in our government to help balance some of this inequity. Fine, i said, have you explained this to your boys, and are they going to pursue careers in politics or law, or is all that matters how much money they make? That’s where sort of the light bulb went on. So, there are some work going on to setup some scholarships in your not-so-typical asian professions (sorry, no scholarships in under water basket weaving)… If we’re still living in this country when my daughter is older, I am hoping i can convince her to get more involved in a legal/politics, rather than pursue the cookie cutter engineering and medical profession. Too many damn soft spoken enginerds and doctors. I’ll have the financial backing in for her to do this.

As far as contributing to this country. As an asian american, you have a personal responsibility to keep this economy going. And that means sort of means doing your part and spend, doing your part to buy things that support american businesses (the entire buy american mantra, that surprisingly so many americans don’t given a shit about)and when possible providing jobs to people that depend on jobs.

You’re useless if all you are doing is your 9-5 job W-2. You’re not providing anything to anyone else beyond bringing in that paycheck to payoff your own bills. If some idiot in Washington pushes the red panic button, they’ll cart your ass off that W-2 and find j6p to replace you, and you won’t be missed. On the other hand, you take a CEO, or a business owner that provides employment for 600, 1000, 2000 employees, and you wrongfully cart his/her ass to a concentration camp, I guarentee, you’ll have 600,1000,2000 pissed off unemployed employees, unless of course you were an asshole CEO or conman like some of these CEO crooks we see these days, in which case, 600,1000,2000 people would gladly see your ass in jail. That’s why even if you are making your “top 5% AGI income” on a W2, you might want to reconsider your strategy, even though it’s nice to collect that W2. Sometimes, getting spoon fed a W2 makes us weaker when it comes to social issues. In not just about affording that bigger house in Carmel Valley, or that new bimmer. This is a much bigger problem. Not saying you have to give that up, but you just need to balance this out with everything else. My favorite question i like to ask asian communities: when was the last time you made a campaign contribution? When was the last time you volunteered and/or donated time/effort to a social cause. When was the last time you spoke out against some inequity?

This might seem a little unfair. Why should we have to do more to prove a point? Agreed. Why should an asian kid have to work harder to squeeze into a quota limiting engineering degree? It is what it is.
It just needs to be done. Run chink run.
[/quote]
I agree with a lot of what you say here regarding diversification in profession. I think that is happening now that you have 2nd and 3rd generation Asian American growing up here. One example I can come up with is Orange County. There are a lot of Vietnamese who live there. They are very vocal and they participate in all level of government. That basically answer your question regarding Asian participation in social causes. Asians do tend to stick together and support each other. At least within the sub Asian groups. Now, if we can all just become Asian American, instead of Chinese American, Vietnamese American, etc, our voice would be much louder. Regarding speaking out against inequality, I think our tolerance for inequality is much higher than most. That’s partly due to the way we were raised. Because of this higher threshold, a lot of inequity that African American would scream from the roof top about, we probably didn’t even notice it until someone point it out to us.

I think the reason we go into Engineering and Health care is because our parents pushed us to go into that direction. But I think after growing up here, 2nd gen AA do not have the same ideal about profession their kids should go into. Just having the parents approval in anything they do would open a lot of doors.

Regarding your comment about W-2, I do share the same dire view. After all, you need W-2er to work for those CEO. If everyone become CEO, who would work for them? See my point? If it gets as bad you think, there’s always Canada :-). I know many who run their own business and I commend them for doing what they like, but I’m happy with my W-2 life so far.

[luchabee]

“I’ve heard enough about this Joe the Plumber character. I guess he is supposed to embody the middle class or something. And whoever heard of a plumber who works 10-12 hour days 7 days a week? What a crock of shit.”

That’s strange. I thought you owned your own business, thebreeze? You don’t work those hours?

FWIW, my dad is not a plumber, but an electrician, and he works pretty close to those hours, running his own business . . . sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less (but not often). He has been working these hours for about 10 years.

He doesn’t make anywhere close to $250,000 (probably $60,000 net), so he will not be affected by Obama’s plan or have to lay off people for this new proposed spending. Unfortunately, he had to let his two employees go a long time ago as it wasn’t profitable enough to keep them with all the taxes, paperwork, and insurance and they were too slow and barely employable. Don’t worry, though, we probably are paying their social security and unemployment now, so they are all taken care of.

It comes down to this, if liberals were ever forced to run their own business for one year(and I know that you do, from what you said) and subsist on their earnings, 75% of them would instantly become Republicans.

Really, Obama’s plan if enacted (God help us) would be like feeding rat poison to a patient in intensive care.

Yes, maybe some will get a nice tax-cut or tax credit for a few hundred dollars (maybe a thousand!), but their jobs will be gone to pay for these ridiculous spending programs.

Personally, I’d rather have a job, but that’s just me.

[luchabee]

“I’ve heard enough about this Joe the Plumber character. I guess he is supposed to embody the middle class or something. And whoever heard of a plumber who works 10-12 hour days 7 days a week? What a crock of shit.”

That’s strange. I thought you owned your own business, thebreeze? You don’t work those hours?

FWIW, my dad is not a plumber, but an electrician, and he works pretty close to those hours, running his own business . . . sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less (but not often). He has been working these hours for about 10 years.

He doesn’t make anywhere close to $250,000 (probably $60,000 net), so he will not be affected by Obama’s plan or have to lay off people for this new proposed spending. Unfortunately, he had to let his two employees go a long time ago as it wasn’t profitable enough to keep them with all the taxes, paperwork, and insurance and they were too slow and barely employable. Don’t worry, though, we probably are paying their social security and unemployment now, so they are all taken care of.

It comes down to this, if liberals were ever forced to run their own business for one year(and I know that you do, from what you said) and subsist on their earnings, 75% of them would instantly become Republicans.

Really, Obama’s plan if enacted (God help us) would be like feeding rat poison to a patient in intensive care.

Yes, maybe some will get a nice tax-cut or tax credit for a few hundred dollars (maybe a thousand!), but their jobs will be gone to pay for these ridiculous spending programs.

Personally, I’d rather have a job, but that’s just me.

[luchabee]

“I’ve heard enough about this Joe the Plumber character. I guess he is supposed to embody the middle class or something. And whoever heard of a plumber who works 10-12 hour days 7 days a week? What a crock of shit.”

That’s strange. I thought you owned your own business, thebreeze? You don’t work those hours?

FWIW, my dad is not a plumber, but an electrician, and he works pretty close to those hours, running his own business . . . sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less (but not often). He has been working these hours for about 10 years.

He doesn’t make anywhere close to $250,000 (probably $60,000 net), so he will not be affected by Obama’s plan or have to lay off people for this new proposed spending. Unfortunately, he had to let his two employees go a long time ago as it wasn’t profitable enough to keep them with all the taxes, paperwork, and insurance and they were too slow and barely employable. Don’t worry, though, we probably are paying their social security and unemployment now, so they are all taken care of.

It comes down to this, if liberals were ever forced to run their own business for one year(and I know that you do, from what you said) and subsist on their earnings, 75% of them would instantly become Republicans.

Really, Obama’s plan if enacted (God help us) would be like feeding rat poison to a patient in intensive care.

Yes, maybe some will get a nice tax-cut or tax credit for a few hundred dollars (maybe a thousand!), but their jobs will be gone to pay for these ridiculous spending programs.

Personally, I’d rather have a job, but that’s just me.

[luchabee]

“I’ve heard enough about this Joe the Plumber character. I guess he is supposed to embody the middle class or something. And whoever heard of a plumber who works 10-12 hour days 7 days a week? What a crock of shit.”

That’s strange. I thought you owned your own business, thebreeze? You don’t work those hours?

FWIW, my dad is not a plumber, but an electrician, and he works pretty close to those hours, running his own business . . . sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less (but not often). He has been working these hours for about 10 years.

He doesn’t make anywhere close to $250,000 (probably $60,000 net), so he will not be affected by Obama’s plan or have to lay off people for this new proposed spending. Unfortunately, he had to let his two employees go a long time ago as it wasn’t profitable enough to keep them with all the taxes, paperwork, and insurance and they were too slow and barely employable. Don’t worry, though, we probably are paying their social security and unemployment now, so they are all taken care of.

It comes down to this, if liberals were ever forced to run their own business for one year(and I know that you do, from what you said) and subsist on their earnings, 75% of them would instantly become Republicans.

Really, Obama’s plan if enacted (God help us) would be like feeding rat poison to a patient in intensive care.

Yes, maybe some will get a nice tax-cut or tax credit for a few hundred dollars (maybe a thousand!), but their jobs will be gone to pay for these ridiculous spending programs.

Personally, I’d rather have a job, but that’s just me.

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