OT – Joe the Plumber

[TheBreeze]

[quote=kev374]If Joe the Plumber is making over $250k (gross or net doesn’t matter) then he is quite well off, I don’t consider that middle class AT ALL by any definition. Since when did the middle class earn over 1/4 million dollars a year?[/quote]

Here’s an update on ‘Joe’ the plumber:

His current income is $40K per year. He would actually pay less taxes under Obama’s plan than under McCain’s. The business he wants to buy only grosses $100K, so even if he did buy the business, he would still pay less under Obama’s plan than under McCain’s

Plus, he may or may not be related to Charles Keating, he of the Keating Five scandal.

http://www.kcbs.com/Leaks-in-Joe-the-Plumber-s-Story/3156534

McCain should have done a little more vetting before he decided to make Joe famous. Basically everything that McCain railed on in his debate last night vis-a-vis ‘Joe’ is wrong and Joe will be better off under an Obama administration.

How could anyone vote for McCain? The guy just exudes incompetence.

[TheBreeze]

[quote=bob2007]TheBreeze, there is a blog I have read by the same name. Is that you? If so, I think nearly your entire existence has been on govt projects. Obama is perfect for you – you get paid by tax dollars, either from the govt directly, or by a govt contractor. [/quote]

I’ve never heard of that blog. Nope, I actually work for a profitable business that funds its payroll through actual profits. According to the chart on this page, my income is somewhere in the top 6%:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

I work for a company that makes things that people actually want/need.

Let me make some guesses about you:
(1) You are in some type of ‘finance’ industry; and
(2) You fashion yourself as some type of Captain Capitalism even though any profits your business pulled down over the last 8 years were actually subsidized by taxpayers in the form of today’s $10 trillion Republican Bush administration bailout.

I assume you work in finance, because all my life I’ve worked with people who actually produce real things that people want/need, and I’ve never come across one person with as simplistic a world view as you have. Only Bush cronies can see life in such black-and-white as you do. Did you happen to inherit your current business?

[TheBreeze]

[quote=bob2007]TheBreeze, there is a blog I have read by the same name. Is that you? If so, I think nearly your entire existence has been on govt projects. Obama is perfect for you – you get paid by tax dollars, either from the govt directly, or by a govt contractor. [/quote]

I’ve never heard of that blog. Nope, I actually work for a profitable business that funds its payroll through actual profits. According to the chart on this page, my income is somewhere in the top 6%:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

I work for a company that makes things that people actually want/need.

Let me make some guesses about you:
(1) You are in some type of ‘finance’ industry; and
(2) You fashion yourself as some type of Captain Capitalism even though any profits your business pulled down over the last 8 years were actually subsidized by taxpayers in the form of today’s $10 trillion Republican Bush administration bailout.

I assume you work in finance, because all my life I’ve worked with people who actually produce real things that people want/need, and I’ve never come across one person with as simplistic a world view as you have. Only Bush cronies can see life in such black-and-white as you do. Did you happen to inherit your current business?

[TheBreeze]

[quote=bob2007]TheBreeze, there is a blog I have read by the same name. Is that you? If so, I think nearly your entire existence has been on govt projects. Obama is perfect for you – you get paid by tax dollars, either from the govt directly, or by a govt contractor. [/quote]

I’ve never heard of that blog. Nope, I actually work for a profitable business that funds its payroll through actual profits. According to the chart on this page, my income is somewhere in the top 6%:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

I work for a company that makes things that people actually want/need.

Let me make some guesses about you:
(1) You are in some type of ‘finance’ industry; and
(2) You fashion yourself as some type of Captain Capitalism even though any profits your business pulled down over the last 8 years were actually subsidized by taxpayers in the form of today’s $10 trillion Republican Bush administration bailout.

I assume you work in finance, because all my life I’ve worked with people who actually produce real things that people want/need, and I’ve never come across one person with as simplistic a world view as you have. Only Bush cronies can see life in such black-and-white as you do. Did you happen to inherit your current business?

[TheBreeze]

[quote=bob2007]TheBreeze, there is a blog I have read by the same name. Is that you? If so, I think nearly your entire existence has been on govt projects. Obama is perfect for you – you get paid by tax dollars, either from the govt directly, or by a govt contractor. [/quote]

I’ve never heard of that blog. Nope, I actually work for a profitable business that funds its payroll through actual profits. According to the chart on this page, my income is somewhere in the top 6%:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

I work for a company that makes things that people actually want/need.

Let me make some guesses about you:
(1) You are in some type of ‘finance’ industry; and
(2) You fashion yourself as some type of Captain Capitalism even though any profits your business pulled down over the last 8 years were actually subsidized by taxpayers in the form of today’s $10 trillion Republican Bush administration bailout.

I assume you work in finance, because all my life I’ve worked with people who actually produce real things that people want/need, and I’ve never come across one person with as simplistic a world view as you have. Only Bush cronies can see life in such black-and-white as you do. Did you happen to inherit your current business?

[TheBreeze]

[quote=bob2007]TheBreeze, there is a blog I have read by the same name. Is that you? If so, I think nearly your entire existence has been on govt projects. Obama is perfect for you – you get paid by tax dollars, either from the govt directly, or by a govt contractor. [/quote]

I’ve never heard of that blog. Nope, I actually work for a profitable business that funds its payroll through actual profits. According to the chart on this page, my income is somewhere in the top 6%:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

I work for a company that makes things that people actually want/need.

Let me make some guesses about you:
(1) You are in some type of ‘finance’ industry; and
(2) You fashion yourself as some type of Captain Capitalism even though any profits your business pulled down over the last 8 years were actually subsidized by taxpayers in the form of today’s $10 trillion Republican Bush administration bailout.

I assume you work in finance, because all my life I’ve worked with people who actually produce real things that people want/need, and I’ve never come across one person with as simplistic a world view as you have. Only Bush cronies can see life in such black-and-white as you do. Did you happen to inherit your current business?

[Ozzie]

JTP sounds like a lot of folks who complain about everything from taxes to social security to how big government is. At the same time they think they are patriotic because they support the war in Iraq, and they want to build fences around our borders and hire thousands to monitor them. How do you think our country pays for these things? The war is costing over a trillion dollars. Paying taxes IS patriotic. It’s the guys like Joe who apparently doesn’t pay his taxes that are not patriotic. It’s the guys like Joe who apparently didn’t get his plumber’s apprenticeship license who is unpatriotic. That’s breaking the law.

Joe says Social Security is a joke. I’d like to see Joe ask the millions of seniors who depend on SS to barely get by if they think it’s a joke.

Just because some loon on Fox says something doesn’t make it right. It’s scary how many other Joe types are out there. Joe hears that Obama will raise taxes because talk radio says so and doesn’t bother to check for himself that he would actually get a tax cut under Obama. That woman the other day at a McCain rally says that Obama is an “arab” probably because her neighbor got an email saying so. I guess you can just say whatever you want and there are enough idiots out there that will believe anything. My father in law said Obama was born in Hawaii before it was a state so he’s inelgible to be President. The only problem of course is that Hawaii became a state in 1959 and Obama was born in 1961. It’s ridiculous.

[Ozzie]

JTP sounds like a lot of folks who complain about everything from taxes to social security to how big government is. At the same time they think they are patriotic because they support the war in Iraq, and they want to build fences around our borders and hire thousands to monitor them. How do you think our country pays for these things? The war is costing over a trillion dollars. Paying taxes IS patriotic. It’s the guys like Joe who apparently doesn’t pay his taxes that are not patriotic. It’s the guys like Joe who apparently didn’t get his plumber’s apprenticeship license who is unpatriotic. That’s breaking the law.

Joe says Social Security is a joke. I’d like to see Joe ask the millions of seniors who depend on SS to barely get by if they think it’s a joke.

Just because some loon on Fox says something doesn’t make it right. It’s scary how many other Joe types are out there. Joe hears that Obama will raise taxes because talk radio says so and doesn’t bother to check for himself that he would actually get a tax cut under Obama. That woman the other day at a McCain rally says that Obama is an “arab” probably because her neighbor got an email saying so. I guess you can just say whatever you want and there are enough idiots out there that will believe anything. My father in law said Obama was born in Hawaii before it was a state so he’s inelgible to be President. The only problem of course is that Hawaii became a state in 1959 and Obama was born in 1961. It’s ridiculous.

[Ozzie]

JTP sounds like a lot of folks who complain about everything from taxes to social security to how big government is. At the same time they think they are patriotic because they support the war in Iraq, and they want to build fences around our borders and hire thousands to monitor them. How do you think our country pays for these things? The war is costing over a trillion dollars. Paying taxes IS patriotic. It’s the guys like Joe who apparently doesn’t pay his taxes that are not patriotic. It’s the guys like Joe who apparently didn’t get his plumber’s apprenticeship license who is unpatriotic. That’s breaking the law.

Joe says Social Security is a joke. I’d like to see Joe ask the millions of seniors who depend on SS to barely get by if they think it’s a joke.

Just because some loon on Fox says something doesn’t make it right. It’s scary how many other Joe types are out there. Joe hears that Obama will raise taxes because talk radio says so and doesn’t bother to check for himself that he would actually get a tax cut under Obama. That woman the other day at a McCain rally says that Obama is an “arab” probably because her neighbor got an email saying so. I guess you can just say whatever you want and there are enough idiots out there that will believe anything. My father in law said Obama was born in Hawaii before it was a state so he’s inelgible to be President. The only problem of course is that Hawaii became a state in 1959 and Obama was born in 1961. It’s ridiculous.

[Ozzie]

JTP sounds like a lot of folks who complain about everything from taxes to social security to how big government is. At the same time they think they are patriotic because they support the war in Iraq, and they want to build fences around our borders and hire thousands to monitor them. How do you think our country pays for these things? The war is costing over a trillion dollars. Paying taxes IS patriotic. It’s the guys like Joe who apparently doesn’t pay his taxes that are not patriotic. It’s the guys like Joe who apparently didn’t get his plumber’s apprenticeship license who is unpatriotic. That’s breaking the law.

Joe says Social Security is a joke. I’d like to see Joe ask the millions of seniors who depend on SS to barely get by if they think it’s a joke.

Just because some loon on Fox says something doesn’t make it right. It’s scary how many other Joe types are out there. Joe hears that Obama will raise taxes because talk radio says so and doesn’t bother to check for himself that he would actually get a tax cut under Obama. That woman the other day at a McCain rally says that Obama is an “arab” probably because her neighbor got an email saying so. I guess you can just say whatever you want and there are enough idiots out there that will believe anything. My father in law said Obama was born in Hawaii before it was a state so he’s inelgible to be President. The only problem of course is that Hawaii became a state in 1959 and Obama was born in 1961. It’s ridiculous.

[Ozzie]

JTP sounds like a lot of folks who complain about everything from taxes to social security to how big government is. At the same time they think they are patriotic because they support the war in Iraq, and they want to build fences around our borders and hire thousands to monitor them. How do you think our country pays for these things? The war is costing over a trillion dollars. Paying taxes IS patriotic. It’s the guys like Joe who apparently doesn’t pay his taxes that are not patriotic. It’s the guys like Joe who apparently didn’t get his plumber’s apprenticeship license who is unpatriotic. That’s breaking the law.

Joe says Social Security is a joke. I’d like to see Joe ask the millions of seniors who depend on SS to barely get by if they think it’s a joke.

Just because some loon on Fox says something doesn’t make it right. It’s scary how many other Joe types are out there. Joe hears that Obama will raise taxes because talk radio says so and doesn’t bother to check for himself that he would actually get a tax cut under Obama. That woman the other day at a McCain rally says that Obama is an “arab” probably because her neighbor got an email saying so. I guess you can just say whatever you want and there are enough idiots out there that will believe anything. My father in law said Obama was born in Hawaii before it was a state so he’s inelgible to be President. The only problem of course is that Hawaii became a state in 1959 and Obama was born in 1961. It’s ridiculous.

[anxvariety]

[quote=TheBreeze]
How do you feel about Bush’s $10 trillion in socialism to the richest of Americans and foreigners? Are you cool with Bush giving your taxpayer dollars to the super-rich?

I always see outrage amongst faux conservatives when the super-rich might have to pay an extra 1% in taxes or when a hungry child gets a reduced-priced lunch, but there doesn’t seem to be any outrage when crooked banks are given $700 billion for fraudulently-originated loans. Such hypocrisy.
[/quote]

No. McCain is not Bush. I’m disgusted by Bush.

Ron Paul was the best choice.

Obama has no experience and is a snake oil salesman. He wants to talk talk talk, he thinks his talking is so amazing that it can help America bring peace with Iran. He does not understand the “irrationality of middle-eastern politics”.

McCain has the experience, has proven loyalty to the country and isn’t out to “spread the wealth around”. Spread the wealth around – scariest phrase I’ve heard from presidential candidate.

[anxvariety]

[quote=TheBreeze]
How do you feel about Bush’s $10 trillion in socialism to the richest of Americans and foreigners? Are you cool with Bush giving your taxpayer dollars to the super-rich?

I always see outrage amongst faux conservatives when the super-rich might have to pay an extra 1% in taxes or when a hungry child gets a reduced-priced lunch, but there doesn’t seem to be any outrage when crooked banks are given $700 billion for fraudulently-originated loans. Such hypocrisy.
[/quote]

No. McCain is not Bush. I’m disgusted by Bush.

Ron Paul was the best choice.

Obama has no experience and is a snake oil salesman. He wants to talk talk talk, he thinks his talking is so amazing that it can help America bring peace with Iran. He does not understand the “irrationality of middle-eastern politics”.

McCain has the experience, has proven loyalty to the country and isn’t out to “spread the wealth around”. Spread the wealth around – scariest phrase I’ve heard from presidential candidate.

[anxvariety]

[quote=TheBreeze]
How do you feel about Bush’s $10 trillion in socialism to the richest of Americans and foreigners? Are you cool with Bush giving your taxpayer dollars to the super-rich?

I always see outrage amongst faux conservatives when the super-rich might have to pay an extra 1% in taxes or when a hungry child gets a reduced-priced lunch, but there doesn’t seem to be any outrage when crooked banks are given $700 billion for fraudulently-originated loans. Such hypocrisy.
[/quote]

No. McCain is not Bush. I’m disgusted by Bush.

Ron Paul was the best choice.

Obama has no experience and is a snake oil salesman. He wants to talk talk talk, he thinks his talking is so amazing that it can help America bring peace with Iran. He does not understand the “irrationality of middle-eastern politics”.

McCain has the experience, has proven loyalty to the country and isn’t out to “spread the wealth around”. Spread the wealth around – scariest phrase I’ve heard from presidential candidate.

[anxvariety]

[quote=TheBreeze]
How do you feel about Bush’s $10 trillion in socialism to the richest of Americans and foreigners? Are you cool with Bush giving your taxpayer dollars to the super-rich?

I always see outrage amongst faux conservatives when the super-rich might have to pay an extra 1% in taxes or when a hungry child gets a reduced-priced lunch, but there doesn’t seem to be any outrage when crooked banks are given $700 billion for fraudulently-originated loans. Such hypocrisy.
[/quote]

No. McCain is not Bush. I’m disgusted by Bush.

Ron Paul was the best choice.

Obama has no experience and is a snake oil salesman. He wants to talk talk talk, he thinks his talking is so amazing that it can help America bring peace with Iran. He does not understand the “irrationality of middle-eastern politics”.

McCain has the experience, has proven loyalty to the country and isn’t out to “spread the wealth around”. Spread the wealth around – scariest phrase I’ve heard from presidential candidate.

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